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[Aiden Skye]

Hoping to see some CERPPC quirks for the TBR-D arms. As I'm one of the few that actually runs CERPPCs over laser vomit on my primary Timberwolf. At the very least I hope that mounting a weapon like CERPPC's on the TBR doesn't get pushed to uselessness thanks to negative quirks and the outcry of nerf calls that arise from the popular FOTM builds.

[KuroNyra]

Forget it, the quirks are stupid. And not even working on the correct way.

[Wintersdark]

W A R K H A N, on 16 May 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

Hoping to see some CERPPC quirks for the TBR-D arms. As I'm one of the few that actually runs CERPPCs over laser vomit on my primary Timberwolf. At the very least I hope that mounting a weapon like CERPPC's on the TBR doesn't get pushed to uselessness thanks to negative quirks and the outcry of nerf calls that arise from the popular FOTM builds.

These nerfs don't affect cERPPC's at all.

Well, the Energy Cooldown nerfs will. But that's not entirely bad, due to heat.

Edited by Wintersdark, 16 May 2015 - 01:29 PM.

[Mcgral18]

The return of the 2 second ERLL!

What an MWO age we live in.

[MrMadguy]

Thx God I've already finished leveling my TBRs - now they're near to useless. No, I won't demand TBR-D and TBR-A to be refunded due to extreme overnerf - I know, that sometimes PGI doing it to calm down this whiners' crowd, who are yelling "laser/PPC meta" this time. But, as it already happened with Victors, negative quirks will be removed soon after "meta" crowd will switch to another "meta" to whine about.

TBR-A: 20% nerf for all energy weapons + 20% nerf for lasers... Lol... 40% nerf to lasers? Are you kidding me? Are this numbers real or it's a dirty joke?

Edited by MrMadguy, 16 May 2015 - 01:43 PM.

[KuroNyra]

2 second Large Laser...

Yeah, and beside that Clans are OP. X')

[C E Dwyer]

I don't get it, they nerf the TBR and SCR's lasers, which were never the problem in my view, but do nothing about the missiles, which are the things that make them lethal..you can generally tell a good TBR pilot from a bad, the good ones pack on SRM, and never have LRM


Anyone get the Impression PGI are picking the quirks off the back of cornflakes packets ?

[Deathlike]

It's always a good time to come back from a great day... only to be thwarted by PGI.

These are exciting times.

[LORD ORION]

Selling too many TBR-As? Had to slow down the sales?
Heh

[Revis Volek]

Mcgral18, on 16 May 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

The return of the 2 second ERLL!

What an MWO age we live in.

You mean what an idiotic age we are forced to suffer through....

I HATE doing things twice, PGI seems to almost plan for it and make sure it happens.

Making mechs that were already NOT that fun because THEY ARE TOO HOT even HOTTER!

Edited by DarthRevis, 16 May 2015 - 02:02 PM.

[Deathlike]

For the record, I will probably switch to Suckoners (actually, no... I'll still run Hellbringers) and the Ice Fridge... and possibly the Nopeva (maybe not, I like the Fridges more).

5 CERMED is the new thing I'm told, and it'll be a wonderful day for sure.

Edited by Deathlike, 16 May 2015 - 02:02 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Deathlike, on 16 May 2015 - 02:01 PM, said:

For the record, I will probably switch to Suckoners (actually, no... I'll still run Hellbringers) and the Ice Fridge... and possibly the Nopeva (maybe not, I like the Fridges more).

5 CERMED is the new thing I'm told, and it'll be a wonderful day for sure.

My No jj TBR will love it, 5 ERmeds and Gauss. Novas are getting to be fun mechs as well...

[Deathlike]

DarthRevis, on 16 May 2015 - 02:04 PM, said:

My No jj TBR will love it, 5 ERmeds and Gauss. Novas are getting to be fun mechs as well...

I'm pretty sure the common TBR meta-competitive build is being nerfed from my understanding. I could be totally wrong.

Novas.. I can only say nice things about the Fridges at the moment. I have to work super hard in a Nova to be effective (hello mini-Awesome). I can work some decent magic with the Fridges... unfortunately 5 CERMEDs are hot (I've run 4 to great effect actually).

[Project_Mercy]

Lol, Let's what's another 25-30% increase in duration and heat. I mean, they're already pretty cool weapons right?

Those quirks are seriously poorly thought out. If a Tier 1 IS mech was comperable to a clan mech, and they DIDN'T get a 25% bonus to cooldown and heat; why exactly is the opposite true?

It makes no sense. So much for "small incremental changes"

Cathy, on 16 May 2015 - 01:53 PM, said:

I don't get it, they nerf the TBR and SCR's lasers, which were never the problem in my view, but do nothing about the missiles, which are the things that make them lethal..

These changes a purely a function of CW. They built CW to support long range energy boats that average around 60 tons, so instead of fixing it; they just nerf long-range energy boats that average around 60 tons. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I weathered the fact I didn't like CW. I accepted the mech packs, I looked forward to the positive quirks being used to provide some originality and to restore lost functionality. I was fine with ghost heat; but this.. this really makes me salty. I haven't been in a TBR or SCR since I tested CW (so.. 5 months?), but I'm really saddened by these changes. It's like that moment when you realize your dad is mortal; except in this case mortal is a euphemism for "Throwing darts blindly because we have no idea how our game works or how to make it better."

Edited by Project_Mercy, 16 May 2015 - 02:25 PM.

[Mystere]

MrMadguy, on 16 May 2015 - 01:39 PM, said:

TBR-A: 20% nerf for all energy weapons + 20% nerf for lasers... Lol... 40% nerf to lasers? Are you kidding me? Are this numbers real or it's a dirty joke?

Would you mind telling me where you are getting this?

[Project_Mercy]

Mystere, on 16 May 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

Would you mind telling me where you are getting this?

http://mwomercs.com/...-may-19th-patch

[Mystere]

Deathlike, on 16 May 2015 - 02:01 PM, said:

For the record, I will probably switch to Suckoners (actually, no... I'll still run Hellbringers) and the Ice Fridge... and possibly the Nopeva (maybe not, I like the Fridges more).

5 CERMED is the new thing I'm told, and it'll be a wonderful day for sure.

Quirks are working as intended then.

Project_Mercy, on 16 May 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

http://mwomercs.com/...-may-19th-patch

I meant the 40% nerf to the TBR-A. I am just not getting that number.

[Project_Mercy]

Mystere, on 16 May 2015 - 02:21 PM, said:

I meant the 40% nerf to the TBR-A. I am just not getting that number.

His number is somewhat hyperbole. I think he meant that there's a 20% increase in burn time and there's a 20% increase in heat generation. So from his POV it's a "40% change from what was". He's not really taking into account that the increase in burn time will decrease Heat-per-second some, so the change in cooldown is not fully additive.

That's why I said it's more like 25-30%.

The more important issue is, a 20% increase in burn time; in a game that already can't track laser hits to save itself, and requires an additional 20% face time for a mech; is actually a pretty huge change. So not only is it a DPS reduction, it's also a survivabilty reduction.

So it's back to Gauss and PPC or all SRMs in public queue and even less people will play CW. Mission accomplished?

Edited by Project_Mercy, 16 May 2015 - 02:33 PM.

[Deathlike]

Mystere, on 16 May 2015 - 02:21 PM, said:

Quirks are working as intended then.

I had been advocating for a nerf in some form for the Stormcrow+Timberwolf... just not to this level (or even the type of nerf in some cases).

This is PGI, so this shouldn't have surprised anyone. I should stop reacting with shock and awe, and go straight to disappointment.

Edited by Deathlike, 16 May 2015 - 02:30 PM.

[GernMiester]

I had some old mechs nerfed with this upcoming patch, now I have no reason to go back to them.
I am happy to be only $14.95 into MWO. They got all I am willing to give.