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[HaBeep]

I suggest people get on twitter and flood @MechWarriorF2P and @russ_bullock with their displeasure, maybe with their phones beeping all day they might do something, because it is evident they do not read their community forums

[Dawnstealer]

Yokaiko, on 17 May 2015 - 04:28 PM, said:

Yeah then why do people have hit rates in the 65-70 percent range.

Shooting at someone behind a wall, AMS, etc.

drunkblackstar, on 18 May 2015 - 05:05 AM, said:

Forcing people to buy Wave 3 by nerfing Wave 1 is a BAD, BAD idea... Its p2w in its worst form.

As I stated elsewhere, this is a free-to-play game: they HAVE to constantly tweak the meta because the only way they get enough money to keep making this game is to sell mech packs.

If this game was subscription-based, they wouldn't have to do that.

So expect them to churn up the meta, and favor the newest mechs: it's just business. The real question is: what happens when they run out of mechs?

[GentlemanBryan]

"So expect them to churn up the meta, and favor the newest mechs: it's just business. The real question is: what happens when they run out of mechs?" I believe PGI is working on other projects - knowing MechWarrior will come to an end once they run out of Mechs..

[X T R E M E]

These are the MECH that are not no longer used.

After 3 years of playing, I think these are the best quirks do you put down.

So you must not be afraid of laser or camper.

http://mwomercs.com/...17#entry4439117

Were reasoned the quirk, I hope someone agrees with me!
I would like to see other mechs in game!
I try to help my experience. I could be wrong, but this advice.

Edited by XtremeAlex, 18 May 2015 - 07:35 AM.

[GentlemanBryan]

See/feel the pattern? When a new pack comes out PGI quirks the ones we just bought - this business plan is suppose to excite you about getting the new mechs, sense the old ones (the ones you are playing) no long are playable due to the quirks. PGI - this is a common f2p strategy - there are a lot of smart players that clearly understands this - we are here to tell you please find another way before you loss those who support this great game...

Edited by MAVRICK64, 18 May 2015 - 05:50 AM.

[Too Much Love]

Dawnstealer, on 18 May 2015 - 05:26 AM, said:

Shooting at someone behind a wall, AMS, etc.


As I stated elsewhere, this is a free-to-play game: they HAVE to constantly tweak the meta because the only way they get enough money to keep making this game is to sell mech packs.

If this game was subscription-based, they wouldn't have to do that.

So expect them to churn up the meta, and favor the newest mechs: it's just business. The real question is: what happens when they run out of mechs?

I can agree with that, but there are better ways to do it, instead of destroying whole ways of gaming and types of mechs. There is no question meta should always change, but it should be properly handled. It seems, that PGI prefers philosophizing with a hammer.

Edited by drunkblackstar, 18 May 2015 - 06:28 AM.

[OoWhitePhoenixoO]

Why are clan players paying so many more c-bills/money for equal/less efficient mechs that is hard to customize to playing style due to fixed engine?

Level the playing field, level the cash!

[White Bear 84]

Lol nope.

[DONTOR]

Adamski, on 16 May 2015 - 01:21 PM, said:

So they nerfed the 6xLL Stalker so it is definitively worse than a 4xcLPL Warhawk.

Lets run the numbers:
Range: STK 540m < WHK 660m
Heat Gen: STK 8.398 hps < WHK 8.784 hps **NOTE: WHK has an extra .386 hps using the WHK-C LA**
Cooling: STK 3.91 hps < WHK 5.2 hps ** but cools an extra 1.29 hps **
Speed: STK 62.9 kph < WHK 71.3 kph
Twist: STK 60* < WHK 90*

And yet some how the stalker will still win everytime...

Its ALL about them high mounted hardpoints. If Warhawk had high mounts then you could complain.

[Jack Spade Ward]

Jess Hazen, on 17 May 2015 - 11:14 PM, said:

So I think I might have figured out the new meta for TBR-PRIME come Tuesday. Its not pretty but this is it gentlemen, enjoy...

dude, laughed so much LOL

[Jess Hazen]

Yeah man! I just took that thing out on a test hit. I almost did 400 damage too. I'm not sure if people just panic under the flames or what.
It's complete lack of lasers makes it the new meta.

[Kael Posavatz]

Dawnstealer, on 18 May 2015 - 05:26 AM, said:

As I stated elsewhere, this is a free-to-play game: they HAVE to constantly tweak the meta because the only way they get enough money to keep making this game is to sell mech packs.

If this game was subscription-based, they wouldn't have to do that.

So expect them to churn up the meta, and favor the newest mechs: it's just business. The real question is: what happens when they run out of mechs?

Agreed, but this is an approach that favors the IS where there is a wide assortment of mechs with multiple chassis (often with far more than three variants) in a given tonnage, and Mastery bundles available for players to take advantage of.

Clans lack a mastery bundle equivalent (and Hero, and Champion mechs). Lack mechs in 20-, 40- 90- and 95-ton weight brackets (although the Executioner will shortly fill one of these), and lack diversification in the brackets we do have (although the Artic Cheetah, Shadow Cat, and Cauldron Born will fill THREE of these, and the first two look like they may actually be worthwhile to bring to CW, this is not to say that the Cauldron born will be ineffective in that regard, but rather a commentary on the usefullness of the Mist Lynx and, especially, the Ice Ferret).

The absence of these features hinders PGI's ability to 'churn up the meta' with a minimum of resentment from the Clan-aligned player base. There are, for example, many other 85-ton mechs for Inner Sphere-aligned players choose from to find their new Meta if they feel the Stalker-4N is no longer viable. This weekend's event has brought to my attention the lethality of a properly handled Battlemaster-1G, though how it would fare in CW would need to be tested. The Clans, however, have no alternative 55- or 75-ton mech other than the Stormcrow and Timberwolf, and are not slated to get alternatives in Wave III.

These changes hammer the most effective weapon the Clans have (the lasers), and one of the best of the second-tier weapons (the PPC), in two of the most widely used weight tonnages by the Clans, but unlike the Inner Sphere--which has 11 other varients split between two chassis to yield possible replacement for the Stalker-4N, and 12 varients split among 4 chassis to replace the Firestarters and Raven--the Clans have no alternative mechs in these widely used weight brackets.

The alternative, then, would have been to simulate the Inner Sphere's wide assortment of mechs by adjusting quirks to encourage different build styles. Part of this would naturally be an assortment of negative quirks to either lasers to energy weapons in general (if PPCs were seen as part of the meta it was desireable to shift away from), Equally important however would have been quirks designed to encourage the use of weapon systems largely abandoned by the Clans, such as autocannons and missiles.

The fact that PGI has recognised this by off-setting the reductions to the Stalker-4N with additional missile-centric quirks, and some of the energy nerfs to the Raven-2X with additional structure, but offered no such consideration to the Clans adds to the sore feeling by many Clan players. As does the fact that the IS at least has the choice to swap out one or two mechs in their drop decks, whereas many Clan players will need to redo their decks entirely.

The Tukayyid statistics showed a remarkably level of deployment of mechs from each weight class by the IS, while the Clans overwhelmingly stuck to heavy/medium mechs. PGI's decision to go after what is seen by many clan players as the two most efficient mechs the Clans have, in their preferred weight classes (though whether this is from choice or necessity is beyond the scope of this reply), and the most effective weapon systems they can deploy, without offering any countervealing consideration, has many wondering when, not if, PGI will do the same to whatever new 'meta' they settle on.

I was only going to hold my remarks to the effect of these changes, but since this has become something of an explanation for why many Clan-aligned players have reacted to these changes with considerable vitriol, I will also point out that the Clans also have cockpit items (banners, warhorns, and medallions) that cost more than IS equivalents and to date PGI has not tried to justify it. Understandably because a price desparity like this seems particularly capricious and undefensible, but it adds to the feeling shared by some that PGI is 'out to get' the Clans.

Edited by Kael 17, 18 May 2015 - 07:33 AM.

[RussianWolf]

Sees the QQs. You nerfed my favorite and buffed their's.... not fair.

Goes in the game and sees the Inevitable outcome of the quirk system with almost every mech running the same builds (the one that the quirks dictate is the best for that chassis/variant) and shakes his head.

I predicted this.

Did it lead to more diversity? only to the extent that the mechs with the best quirks get played until they rebalance the quirks. Everyone flocks to the OP quirked chassis for a bit, then move to the next as the quirks change.

Quirk experiment... failure in my opinion.

All you are doing is making more and more bad blood PGI. Its a game you can't win.

I'll keep playing until my PT runs out (270 days running on the clock and more in the bank) but I can't see spending more on this in this state. Give us a Stock Mech mode and Solaris and we can talk about it more.

[Binbo Gami]

If anyone thinks that the clans still don't have the the advantage after this change then they are ****** in the head.
Personally I don't care if clanners have the edge in power if it`s compensated for in lore (by numbers/ tonnage /playstyle(difficult)).
One thing that this whole debacle has proved is that clanners are whiny ponces that can`t play if they are not OP ( i knew it already but it is nice to have evidence).

In short
Please give the clanners their advantages back so they wont take their ball and go home, It`s no fun if nobody is playing.

As a side note this phoenix challenge has taught me 1 thing,
Battlemasters totally suck!!!
If only they were commando size, then they could suck atlas balls and be slightly useful.

[Ens]

Binbo Gami, on 18 May 2015 - 07:31 AM, said:

As a side note this phoenix challenge has taught me 1 thing,
Battlemasters totally suck!!!
If only they were commando size, then they could suck atlas balls and be slightly useful.

or it´s just not your thing

[BVRCWolf]

Great way to promote your wave 3 mechs, nerf the 2 most popular mech's and then hope people buy the wave 3.
How about giving the Clan Ballistics a positive quirk along with the laser nerf.

Are you guys trying to find a way to balance, because of the loss you had at the battle of Tukayyid from the clans?
1st you give the IS an extra 10 tons, then you take it away. I am not sure if you understand right now there are not a lot of the top clan players investing time into the CW as they are burnt out from the battle that you guys extended.

Keep doing what your doing even if it is wrong.

[Sin Sable]

I get the need to "adjust" but have to wonder at the method. Take the TBR-prime for example: It's omnipods have hardpoints that pretty much limit it to being an energy boat with the silly (single free slot ballistic) center torso hard point and token missile launchers. I guess if someone will stand still for 2 minutes (and not shoot back) you can still do damage but what really is the point of having all the energy hardpoints when they have pretty pronounced penalties for using them? Likewise, if you didn't want a Stalker to be an awesome energy platform, don't make a variant full of energy hardpoints.

My issue isn't with any one nerf but more the end game. I get this is a game and it's difficult to cater to the masses w/o trying to keep things equal. The problem is, nothing is equal, no two mechs are the same and no two pilots have the exact same skill set. Quirk or don't quirk a mech but give us a finished product and live or die by it. If pilots find a way to do amazing things in a mech then maybe you should have tested a bit better yourself before releasing it. Pilots will find a way to compensate. Perhaps, by buying the OP mech themselves and using it. If it's a clan vs IS issue then you focus on releasing a mech to compensate. Negative changes make a player feel cheated. Particularly when they payed money for something and then you go and add negative effects after the purchase. I'm seriously considering canceling my wave 3 order and feel you should compensate everyone in MC, c-bills, or real currency (however they purchased) for any mech affected by a direct negative change. I just worked my tail off to buy 3 TBR variants and get them mastered THIS week only to see them nerfed badly enough I'll have to garage them and look at a new drop deck for CW...awesome. The funny thing is that as crazy as Firestarters and Stalkers were we've dealt with them. Same for IS vs TBRs and Crows. Looking at the Tukayyid stats you can clearly see preferred mechs on both sides. All this is going to do is change which mechs are favored. I can tell you right now the clan players are gonna be running HBR heavy drop decks now (yes, heavier than before). You nerfing them next month? In the end, be they new or old releases, it will always be a handful of mechs that dominate the field on both sides. All the nerf is doing is wasting player time, money and effort up to this point. Making old things obsolete with new improved things is a part of life. Making ANYTHING obsolete by purposefully breaking it AFTER it's release as a finished product that works "too well" is bad business.

[Mystere]

HellJumper, on 17 May 2015 - 09:43 PM, said:

wow..


402 replies... and so many concerns from the players..who have spend money on this...

and here we are with no official reply to the concerns from the community.. this should tell us all that our opinions make no difference for them..

it's a weekend. PGI does not work on weekends.

[Mystere]

Livewyr, on 17 May 2015 - 09:49 PM, said:

That was determined with the multiple threadnoughts regarding ECM and 3PV.

<shrug>
ECM is fine, and 3PV could use some much needed improvements.

0Carbon0, on 17 May 2015 - 09:53 PM, said:

So how do i get a wave 1,2 & 3 refund now that TBR has been nerfed?

Like ghost heat
Like gauss charging
Like JJs going potatoe
Like Omni's not being Omni's
Like 3rd person being added after being promised not to

All fixes which go about it the wrong way. TBR burn time is just going to change the meta.


Why is it a cycle of

Introduce new mech pack with "lolOP" stuff
Allow everyone to buy it for 3 12 months, then play it 3 months
Nerf it just before releasing another pack


Maybe I'm potatoe but there is something wrong with this stuff

You can't. As such, I advise just you just stop playing the game. That sends the loudest message of all.

[RussianWolf]

Mystere, on 18 May 2015 - 07:58 AM, said:

<shrug>
ECM is fine, and 3PV could use some much needed improvements.



You can't. As such, I advise just you just stop playing the game. That sends the loudest message of all.

well, he can still get a refund on wave 3 since it isn't in game yet.