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[Binbo Gami]

Ens, on 18 May 2015 - 07:34 AM, said:

or it´s just not your thing

They are definitely not, but I prefer to blame the mech.

[Pepito Sbazzeguti]

I can understand some nerf for not encourage full laser boat..
I don't understand nerfing configuration carrying only 3-4 lasers, a tag or having energy hardpoints omnipod with no energy weapons installed in..

[Nexano]

Nerf for Timber and Storm looks fine. For some wheeper i can remind thats Crow and Wolf most popular mechs in Major league. All other, mechs count as "secondary" because of op tightness/speed/firepower of stormcrows and combat potential of timber wolves. I don't realyy care about 4N nerf cause it's fine. As example i can say thats i used 5SS woth 7 med pulses before it become quirked. Well what i can say about poor raven - "I'm useless again, sorry. Carefull steps back to Junkyard. Mostly this quirks change looks like - "we don't know how to change something and don't ruin current fragil balance" - Yes game have some sort of balance for now exept for Crow and Wolf.

[JC Daxion]

FLuo2021, on 16 May 2015 - 03:00 PM, said:

These mechs all needed nerfs, but making laser weapons nigh unusable for Stormcrows and Timberwolves seems a bit ridiculous. If missiles and ballistics were better, then these changes could be slightly more acceptable. There's a reason that the laser meta exists and why its so popular. I don't see how overnerfing useable mechs is good for a game when there are so many bad mechs that could use quirks or quirk balancing.

There is something seriously wrong with a game, when any time people ask for advice about which mech to buy, and the answer is the only medium you need is the stormcrow, and the only heavy you need is the timber wolf..

Perhaps with lasers not being so overpowered/dominate.. PGI just had an event where they tracked all the top mechs, and know load outs and damage numbers, it is pretty obvious that this change is coming directly from that. So now people will have to drop a few energy points, and deal with a few other weapons that are not super over powered for a more balanced mech.

How is this bad, except for the people that only play SCR and TBR.. and honestly i don't see it as bad anyway, people will have to be playing a more balanced build which is a good thing. The last thing this game needs is more buffs to make everything as deadly as those 2 mechs.. I don't even mind the raven quirks, they are hardly that much worse. -4 points of leg structure is not even a single MPL hit, and the other % changes are a few %, hardly even noticeable.

as always when any change comes people cry about it, how they are never buying anything again, and the game goes on and people adapt. I'll tell ya the game is 5x more balanced than it was last summer, and 10x more balanced than it was 2 summers ago.. IMO the game has only goton more balanced, and more mech/play options for the majority of the population.

[Alienized]

about the raven nerf:
first of all: a IS light mech should never be able to even install 3 large lasers.
or 2 (er) ppc's
stuff like this is why it gets nerfed.
thats the armament of medium and heavy mechs but not light mechs.
as long as there are possibilities of installing such armament the nerf is totally needed.

[JC Daxion]

Alienized, on 18 May 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

about the raven nerf:
first of all: a IS light mech should never be able to even install 3 large lasers.
or 2 (er) ppc's
stuff like this is why it gets nerfed.
thats the armament of medium and heavy mechs but not light mechs.
as long as there are possibilities of installing such armament the nerf is totally needed.

to be fair they are slow as hell with next to nothing armor.. a couple shots and they are toast anyway.. But lets be serious, losing a 5% quirk, or 2.5% in the others is hardly a huge nerf, you are taking 10th's of a second..

[Alienized]

JC Daxion, on 18 May 2015 - 08:45 AM, said:

to be fair they are slow as hell with next to nothing armor.. a couple shots and they are toast anyway.. But lets be serious, losing a 5% quirk, or 2.5% in the others is hardly a huge nerf, you are taking 10th's of a second..

yep and clan medium lasers burn a incredible .17 seconds longer.
these are MAJOR nerfs in any way.
so huge to cry about it.

[Bigbacon]

3 LL/ERLL 2x isn't even that great....still sucks they keep nerfing the ravens..

[WarHippy]

I'm not going to pretend that there wasn't Clan and IS mechs that needed some adjustment, but these changes appear to be rather over the top. Some IS mechs that need to be looked at again were not touched, and viable alternatives to laser boats for the Clans needs to be in place before or at least with these changes. Where are the positive buffs for the Clan underperformers, and how about ACs that actually perform in more than a couple niche builds? I don't know this just feels like PGI is running in a hamster wheel making no progress toward actual balance with their sledgehammer approach to balance when a scalpel is what is needed.

[Pihoqahiak]

xLAVAx, on 17 May 2015 - 06:34 AM, said:

The Timber is still a great mech. I run that thing with a brawler build which gives me close to a 10.0 dps. Now, what heavy mech can do that? And with JJs!

Although it doesn't have JJs, the 7 MPL Thunderbolt far out DPSes Timberwolves. The only Clan mech that can out DPS it is a UAC Direwolf and maybe an ERSL Nova/Gargoyle.

[RogueLdr]

To all the people that say things like
"There's something wrong when everyone takes the same two mechs"
or
"If clan lasers are so bad why does everyone boat them?"

You need to realize;
we take these mechs because we have no good alternatives.
We run laser boats because we have no alternatives.

We have 3 assaults;
The only good one is too slow for CW
the others are so-so at best.

We have 1 viable heavy,
Every other heavy is considerably worse then the timber.
(Hellbringer isn't bad, just not as flexible as the Timber. It's the only other heavy worth running.)

Every Medium besides the Crow sucks.


Lights.... not even a discussion really, they are terrible in every way compared to I.S.
We take them only to fill in tonnage in our drop decks.

As far as laser boating...

CLRMs are even worse then IS versions and not worth taking.

CAC's are also not worth the tonnage due to the spread damage.
LBX are ok at short range and terrible at anything longer.

Lasers are... were, the only thing that allowed us to compete. They were the only things worth taking.

TLDR:

Everyone takes crows and timbers because every other mech sucks

Everyone boated lasers because everything else isn't worth taking.


If these two mechs are truly "godmode" mechs
and these laser boats builds are so "unstoppable"
and everyone runs them...

Why did the clans win by such a narrow margin? And keep in mind many of the "best" merc units joined clans for the event.

[Hornviech]

THIS PGI !!!

THIS!!! is BALANCING !!

http://mwomercs.com/...levalue-system/

[Alienized]

next things to be nerfed:
IS large lasers overall.


the spam is getting absolutely awkward again. it seems that people dont understand one thing:
the more you use one single weapon until everyone has seen enough of them the harder the nerf will be.

min/max will get your precious toys nerfed to hell.

you want it like that, you will get it like that. simple as this.

[Sniper09121986]

Mystere, on 18 May 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

it's a weekend. PGI does not work on weekends.

Well, when DO they work?

Binbo Gami, on 18 May 2015 - 07:31 AM, said:

One thing that this whole debacle has proved is that clanners are whiny ponces that can`t play if they are not OP ( i knew it already but it is nice to have evidence).

In short
Please give the clanners their advantages back so they wont take their ball and go home, It`s no fun if nobody is playing.

Binbo Gami, on 18 May 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

I prefer to blame the mech.

*sniff-sniff* Double standards, anyone?

[xe N on]

Clan only have lasers as viable weapons ... lol.

My Gauss-SCR and SRM-SCR says no.

Fact is that lasers are quite too easy to use for their benefit. Not only on clan side. Time to nerf them beck to where they belong.

Below PPCs, ACs and SRMs, because those weapon systems require more skill to use.

Edited by xe N on, 18 May 2015 - 10:27 AM.

[l RiDiS l]

So PGI made SCR & TMR energy builds BS... cuz no1 use clan ballistics... cuz PGI made clan ballistics BS... so they try to fix one BS by other BS..

Looks like BS balance.

After that patch and yeasterday hockey final - i think we should invade .

[Mosadoff]

Most annoying thing for me is that IS got nerfed by 2.5%, and TBR by more than 10%...

"Small incremental values" or how it was...

[Rugarou]

Aurawind, on 17 May 2015 - 09:17 PM, said:

...and if you try to torso twist your beams will spray on your teammates like sneezing while peeing.

Just wanted to point out this gem right here. This. This right here made me laugh so hard I literally had tears rolling down my face.

[Jack Shayu Walker]

Livewyr, on 18 May 2015 - 03:48 AM, said:

They got wave 3 from me.. (Shadow Cat)

However the resistance packs (1 & 2) have gently floated by... without resistance- and since the Shadowcat is end game mech content for me, it will likely be the last thing I buy from PGI.

Diddo

[Alienized]

resistance 1 is full with good mechs. i cant understand why many are talking bad about them.