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[HardLuck]

If your not going to allow the Phoenix Pack to Reopen then you need to pull the Clan Wave I out of the store! I have the first part of the Phoenix Pack but due to Money getting tight was unable to get the second part. So why should NEW players that have come AFTER Wave I or even Wave II be allowed to get them if people like me can't get Phoenix Pack 2? I say REOPEN all the packs!

[Zeusus]

Phoenix was advertised as limited and never to return. Wave 1 was not.

That's why.

[Joseph Mallan]

Zeusus, on 21 May 2015 - 07:58 AM, said:

Phoenix was advertised as limited and never to return. Wave 1 was not.

That's why.

And MW:O had a change in Management(no more IGP) after Phoenix IIRC. There is no Voice from Off screen saying, "DON'T answer that question!" any more. And PGI can do what it thinks is right because its right. Says so right here:

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3. Our Content—Except where expressly stated otherwise, all right, title and interest in and to the PGI Offerings and all Content, source code, processes, designs, technologies, URLs, domain names, marks and logos forming any part of the PGI Offerings (collectively, “ Our Content”) is fully vested in us, our licensors or our suppliers and are protected by applicable copyrights, trade-marks, patents, trade secrets or other proprietary rights and laws. You agree that Our Content is licensed subject to the terms of this Agreement, including the disclaimers and limitations of liability herein. Nothing in your use of the PGI Offerings or this Agreement grants you any right, title or interest in or to Our Content except the limited right to use the PGI Offerings as set out in this Agreement. Unless otherwise expressly authorized by us in writing, you agree not to

If you cannot keep YOUR word, how can you expect someone else to honor theirs? If you have no personal Honor you cannot expect others to show honor.

So before you point a finger at PGI... Look in the mirror then lead by example.

To date PGI has upheld the letter of the ToS.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 21 May 2015 - 08:17 AM.

[Apnu]

HardLuck, on 21 May 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:

If your not going to allow the Phoenix Pack to Reopen then you need to pull the Clan Wave I out of the store! I have the first part of the Phoenix Pack but due to Money getting tight was unable to get the second part. So why should NEW players that have come AFTER Wave I or even Wave II be allowed to get them if people like me can't get Phoenix Pack 2? I say REOPEN all the packs!

There's a poll for that: https://mwomercs.com/phoenix-poll

[Zeusus]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 May 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

And MW:O had a change in Management(no more IGP) after Phoenix IIRC. There is no Voice from Off screen saying, "DON'T answer that question!" any more. And PGI can do what it thinks is right because its right.

And it would be right to honour that.

[Hawk819]

Either way is fine with me. Cause I don't bleeping care. I do however care about the Founders. Those are strictly not for re-sale. Russ and many other players have already emphatically, said NO!

[HardLuck]

I know there's a poll, doesn't mean that its right...what if that Battle's tournament poll was to say if none Clanners players could own Clan Mech's or not? All the IS players would not be happy at all now would they. Just because there's a poll doesn't mean PGI will listen to it, if they want to make more money then Reopen all the old packs, but the founders (since its hard to be a founder of something that's already started).

Edited by HardLuck, 21 May 2015 - 08:25 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Zeusus, on 21 May 2015 - 08:11 AM, said:

And it would be right to honour that.

Unless it was a stupid business decision. Which it was. If it was a popular Package deal, removing a hot product from sales is just dumb business.

Apnu, on 21 May 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

There's a poll for that: https://mwomercs.com/phoenix-poll

Still only 5% separating victory and defeat!

[Mister Blastman]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 May 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

And MW:O had a change in Management(no more IGP) after Phoenix IIRC. There is no Voice from Off screen saying, "DON'T answer that question!" any more. And PGI can do what it thinks is right because its right. Says so right here:

PGI and IGP are and were one and the same, except for tax reporting purposes.

[Joseph Mallan]

Hawk819, on 21 May 2015 - 08:16 AM, said:

Either way is fine with me. Cause I don't bleeping care. I do however care about the Founders. Those are strictly not for re-sale. Russ and many other players have already emphatically, said NO!

As a Founder I used to think this. But going on 4 years now... My view has changed.

[Nightmare1]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 May 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

Unless it was a stupid business decision. Which it was. If it was a popular Package deal, removing a hot product from sales is just dumb business.


Still only 5% separating victory and defeat!

.,,And it looks like it will stay that way! The gap is getting wider; the "No" crowd gained thirty votes overnight. We might see them tick up another percentage point soon.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mister Blastman, on 21 May 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

PGI and IGP are and were one and the same, except for tax reporting purposes.

PGI

IGP

Not the same...?

Nightmare1, on 21 May 2015 - 08:27 AM, said:

.,,And it looks like it will stay that way! The gap is getting wider; the "No" crowd gained thirty votes overnight. We might see them tick up another percentage point soon.

Unless they wanna try to flood the vote last minute like an E Bay auction.

[Zeusus]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 May 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

Unless it was a stupid business decision. Which it was.

Would be dumber to reopen. The yes people won't be angry at PGI either way. The no will be.

[Mister Blastman]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 May 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

[color=#252525]a Montreal-based entertainment firm created and partially owned by [/color]Fonds de solidarité FTQ[color=#252525] a Quebec, Canada economic development fund.[/color]

That's the important part. That's the only reason IGP existed. There's a lot of read between the lines but those that invest for a living know what really went on.

[Spheroid]

Nobody would buy it. How often do you see a Shadowhawk-2H on the battlefield? Answer never.

The phoenix camo is not enough of an incentive over mech bundles. Since no one would buy it why reopen an old wound.

Edited by Spheroid, 21 May 2015 - 08:46 AM.

[LordBraxton]

Joe... PGI has upheld the ToS... because like many ToS's, it's signing your soul away. PGI's ToS is, 'give us cash, we'll give you something, but we might take it away at any time, so you really own nothing.'

It's hard to break a ToS that allows them to do anything they want.

Edited by LordBraxton, 21 May 2015 - 08:48 AM.

[Roadkill]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 May 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

To date PGI has upheld the letter of the ToS.

Only because they haven't actually tried to re-open the Phoenix packages for sale again.

You keep bringing up the TOS, but that covers content. Terms of sale are not content, and cannot be modified without consent of both parties.

[stjobe]

Spheroid, on 21 May 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

Nobody would buy it. How often do you see a Shadowhawk-2H on the battlefield? Answer never.

The phoenix camo is not enough of an incentive over mech bundles. Since no one would buy it why reopen an old wound.

There's basically three things that are unique and not available any more in the Phoenix pack:
1. The special geometry of the (P) 'mechs
2. The Loyalty Point medallions
3. The forum and in-game badges.

Since I have a hard time imagining anyone really, really wanting the forum and in-game badges, and the special geometry isn't all that special, I have to conclude that the continuing interest in the Phoenix pack is solely due to some people wanting the LP medallions.

Why don't you pester PGI for those directly?

[verybad]

I bought it, if someone else wants to buy it, sure, no skin off my back. People that want to be special need to go back to their high school prom or something. why the hell would anyone care if they were in a limited group of people that bought a game DLC...?

[Joseph Mallan]

Roadkill, on 21 May 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

Only because they haven't actually tried to re-open the Phoenix packages for sale again.

You keep bringing up the TOS, but that covers content. Terms of sale are not content, and cannot be modified without consent of both parties.

Even if they did re open it.

I agreed to allow PGI to:

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2. Content. We may, from time to time at our sole discretion and without notice or liability, create, amend, change, or delete any content from the PGI Offerings.

So even if they Pinky swore to never do it. I still gave them the right to make whatever changes they see fit.

If I cannot honor that agreement, I can and will walk away from the game. Cause I gave my word I will accept they can make the changes.

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You keep bringing up the TOS, but that covers content. Terms of sale are not content, and cannot be modified without consent of both parties

What did you buy if it wasn't game content? Did PGI sell you a Coffee cup but delivered a Tea Cup?

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 21 May 2015 - 09:44 AM.