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[Gyrok]

clownwarlord, on 23 May 2015 - 07:25 PM, said:

Well I agree each side should have ECM in every weight class (light, medium, heavy, and assault). It gives that excuse if it is OP give it to everyone so no one can complain because they have similar ability.

Sadly though what you see is this though in Community Warfare and that is where most of the complaints about mechs is coming. What shows this is the stats from Tukayyid which shows the over use of Stormcrows, Timber Wolf, and Hellbringer (ECM) and when you look at the Inner Sphere the closest to the same number being used was the Thunderbolt which didn't have ECM. So to help explain, you have 3 mechs being used at 50k times for clans and 1 of them is ECM so 1 out of every 3 mechs was an ECM mech, but then you look at Inner Sphere and you had maybe 1 out of every 4 mechs was with ECM.

That issue I just pointed out of 1:3 and 1:4 is probably why PGI is not as quick to give clan another ECM mech weight class. Also doesn't the next clan pack have more ECM coming out? Where as the next IS pack has none?

Clans have 13 chassis to choose from, while IS has 34 chassis. Of course the clan mech usage will be more concentrated. Especially when you consider the IS has probably 10 times the number of viable mechs that the clans have.

Also, the IS now has ECM in every weight class, including 2 mediums, meanwhile, the clans have it in lights and a single heavy chassis. Our medium comes in Wave 3, and another light mech...that is a 30 ton mech...(closer to spider than FS9).

[RustyBolts]

LOL seeing some comments about Clans don't need an Assault with ECM andsome that an Atlas cannot stand up to a Direwolf.

How much ECM does the IS have compared to Clan? A lot. Stop limiting the talk to just CW. Most players do not play CW because of how jacked up it is. IS cried for months about not having a Heavy with ECM. They got it, now give the clans an ECM assault and be done with it. Use the Gargoyle and you might actually see more of them on the battlefield.

I used to wreck Direwolfs in my Atlas all the time and move on. Use cover to close the gap, torso twist and alpha 1 A20, 3 SRMs and some small lasers, turn away while moving latterly and when ready to fire again, face the target again. Rinse and repeat and you will be surprised at how fast a Direwolf drops.

[IraqiWalker]

Strum Wealh, on 24 May 2015 - 04:13 AM, said:

One Hex is 30 meters wide.
One Level is 6 meters tall.

The shortest 'Mechs are no shorter than 8 meters tall.
The vast majority of 'Mechs are 10-12 meters tall.
"Exceptionally tall" 'Mechs are 13-14 meters tall.
The tallest 'Mechs are no taller than 14 meters tall.
(See here and here for more height sources & examples.)

Mechanically, the TT rules treat all 'Mechs as having a height of 2 Levels (6 < x < 12).
Thus, a Level 1 obstacle (6 meters tall) cannot completely obscure a 'Mech (all of which are at least 8 meters tall, and most of which are 10-12 meters tall), hence the Partial Cover rules.
Thus, it takes a Level 2 obstacle (12 meters tall) to provide complete cover to a 'Mech.

Jump Jets allow a 'Mech to ascend by one Level (6 meters vertically) and traverse one Hex (30 meters horizontally) per Jump Jet.
So, a Highlander with its three Jump Jets could ascent up to three Levels (18 meters) and traverse up to three Hexes (90 meters) in a single jump, while a Spider with its eight Jump Jets could ascend up to eight levels (48 meters) and traverse up to eight Hexes (240 meters) in a single jump.

Alistair Winter, on 24 May 2015 - 05:13 AM, said:

First of all.... what the hell does Turkina even mean? It's the least intimidating mech name I've ever heard. It just sounds like 'turkey' and the actual mech design does nothing to help that fact either. I hope it comes with a "gobble gobble" warhorn.

I snorted my soda into my nose when I read this part. Thanks Alistair.

[Wildstreak]

late 2012/early 2013 - "ECM is fine, we don't need more ECM Mechs."

2 1/2 years later.....

[Templar Dane]

Nobody will see the shadowcat coming.

[Gyrok]

Gas Guzzler, on 22 May 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

Just made it Gyrok!

I gotta ask though, would you consider a DWF with ECM to be balanced with an Atlas D-DC?

Depends on terrain, loadouts, and engagement range.

A big engine brawler atlas under 300m will absolutely wreck a DWF of most any kind. If you are engaging beyond 300m, the DW likely has the advantage if he has a mid/long range build...(which mostly suits the DW anyway...brawling whales are an endangered species for a reason)