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[martian]

MrMadguy, on 24 May 2015 - 12:25 AM, said:

Currently I tolerate hiding and dragging time via non-participating, but if players won't be able to report violators, then I'll have to report every singe "survival squirrel" and "K/D carer" too.

If you feel that some player is acting against the Rules, report him tom the Support. That's the only correct course of action. Do you have any problem with it? Is your mail non-functional?

Sorry, Team Treason is forbidden and always was.

[MrMadguy]

martian, on 24 May 2015 - 12:31 AM, said:

If you feel that some player is acting against the Rules, report him tom the Support. That's the only correct course of action. Do you have any problem with it? Is your mail non-functional?

Sorry, Team Treason is forbidden and always was.

Currently I'm doing it only when last man standing of the enemy team haven't shown himself till the end of the match, which caused full 15 min time drag for my team. And I'm just warning you. Don't escalate this problem. May be reporters will be silenced, but the only thing, you will achieve - you, and many other "survival squirrels", most likely will be banned due to collecting too many reports for violating non-participation rule, cuz I have a great doubt, that PGI investigates every case carefully. If you want to put some effort into success of your team - do it BEFORE your team will formally lose the match. You should understand, that sometimes it's players, who set the rules of the game, cuz devs can't go against their entire player base - you simply can't ban every player, cuz there won't be anybody to play your game, lol. Majority of players currently think, that Skirmish is about killing enemies - not playing hide-and-seek, sorry.

Edited by MrMadguy, 24 May 2015 - 12:55 AM.

[bad arcade kitty]

>Currently I'm doing it only when last man standing of the enemy team haven't shown himself till the end of the match, which caused full 15 min time drag for my team.

do the rules have any exception when you can betray your teammates? no they don't

[martian]

MrMadguy, on 24 May 2015 - 12:54 AM, said:

Currently I'm doing it only when last man standing of the enemy team haven't shown himself till the end of the match, which caused full 15 min time drag for my team.

1) It's still Team Treason ...

It's explicitly written in the Rules that "players can't provide the enemy team with the locations of their own team mates....

2) If you are dead and you don't like the game, simply quit the match. Hit "Escape", then click "Quit Match" and that's all. Is it really so difficult?

MrMadguy, on 24 May 2015 - 12:54 AM, said:

And I'm just warning you. Don't escalate this problem.

LOL

Thank you for your "warning". And now read those Rules to see that Team Treason is really forbidden. You really can't cooperate with the enemy team ...

MrMadguy, on 24 May 2015 - 12:54 AM, said:

May be reporters will be silenced, but the only thing, you will achieve - you, and many other "survival squirrels", most likely will be banned due to collecting too many reports for violating non-participation rule, cuz I have a great doubt, that PGI investigates every case carefully. If you want to put some effort into success of your team - do it BEFORE your team will formally lose the match. You should understand, that sometimes it's players, who set the rules of the game, cuz devs can't go against their entire player base - you simply can't ban every player, cuz there won't be anybody to play your game, lol. Majority of players currently think, that Skirmish is about killing enemies - not playing hide-and-seek, sorry.

Fortunately, it's not your job to judge other players' tactics. Considering that you are dead already, you should think about your own tactics, why you died so early in the game ...

I am telling you what is in the official Rules and you acknowledged them when you installed the game.

[Jae Hyun Nakamura]

I always call everybody who is AFK in the last minutes of the game. Thats timesaveing and acceptable.

Sometimes i even call the position of the last one Locust/Spider/Jenner/Commando etc. to the enemy team if i see him hideing somewhere and shutting down. Why the hell are you shutting down? They will win anyway and why not try to get some damage before you die? Time is a matter in this game and i will not wait ****** 10 minutes watching someone hideing like a scared baby. Go out and fight and you can be sure, i will watch your game in hope of learning something new from your playstyle.

Peace

[bad arcade kitty]

Jae Hyun Nakamura, on 24 May 2015 - 01:24 AM, said:

I always call everybody who is AFK in the last minutes of the game. Thats timesaveing and acceptable.

no it is not acceptable, it's reportable and i hope you will be banned for it

[Jae Hyun Nakamura]

What should i wait for? Just give me one good reason not to do it and i stop. Will he come back and kill the last 5 enemy mechs in a heroic act of uberawsome play? I don't think so...haven't seen it in 3 years of mwo. Will he rob my expensive time and this of all other 22 players left? Yes he will, thats what AFKs and Shutdowners are doing.

As i said...one good reason pls.

Peace

EDIT: And if my system or the MWO server kicks me out do desktop and i'm the last one in the match not manage it to rejoin, pls, pls, pls, tell the others my position and kill my mech. Don't waste your time with me trying to log and rejoin. If i'm not there in 2 minutes, i will not come back to the game anymore.

Edited by Jae Hyun Nakamura, 24 May 2015 - 01:46 AM.

[bad arcade kitty]

one good reason? read the thread

a ) team treason is forbidden by the rules

not enough good for you?

b ) betraying those who trust you is bad

still not enough good for you?

c ) you can quit and pick another mech

still not enough?

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 24 May 2015 - 01:51 AM.

[Xetelian]

bad arcade kitty, on 24 May 2015 - 01:51 AM, said:

one good reason? read the thread

a ) team treason is forbidden by the rules

not enough good for you?

b ) betraying those who trust you is bad

still not enough good for you?

c ) you can quit and pick another mech

still not enough?

Or just not hide in a corner...?

[bad arcade kitty]

Xetelian, on 24 May 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

Or just not hide in a corner...?

i sometimes think that 90% of people are very very fool.... and also their ability to read is questionable

[Xetelian]

bad arcade kitty, on 24 May 2015 - 02:02 AM, said:

i sometimes think that 90% of people are very very fool.... and also their ability to read is questionable

I commend you for learning English, I'll assume you speak another language primarily.

Don't hide, don't get called out.


I report everyone who hides for non participation.

[bad arcade kitty]

Xetelian, on 24 May 2015 - 02:05 AM, said:

I commend you for learning English, I'll assume you speak another language primarily.

Don't hide, don't get called out.


I report everyone who hides for non participation.

consider to read the thread before participating

[Ursh]

Lots of things are the against the official rules in life, but in many cases, such as certain illegal plants, a majority believes the rules are foolish and either chooses to ignore them or lobbies the authorities to change the stupid rule.

PGI can't spectate every match, so the non-participation rule will be difficult for them to enforce. Meanwhile, the calling out locations can be screenshotted, making enforceable.

If you want to do it, just say something like "There's an extremely interesting terrain feature in e7, you guys should check it out" or "Wow, I love the way this game renders shadows, like the one moving from e7 to d7"

See how easy that is? Not calling out a teammate, just talking about map design and cool graphics. No treason.

[bad arcade kitty]

Ursh, on 24 May 2015 - 02:49 AM, said:

If you want to do it, just say something like "There's an extremely interesting terrain feature in e7, you guys should check it out" or "Wow, I love the way this game renders shadows, like the one moving from e7 to d7"

See how easy that is? Not calling out a teammate, just talking about map design and cool graphics. No treason.

pretty sure it's not a court and if the support sees a screenshot like that with a proper explanation they will react just like in the case of the direct calling

honestly it shocks me how many players consider betraying their teammates as something even remotely acceptable regardless what the rules say

it's probably because i went from dota2 and lol where it's very strongly frowned upon (as well as giving enemy anything at all regardless if you win or lose, enemy should be denied as much as possible, suicide (by a tower) and sometimes even killing teammates (in dota2) to avoid them being killed by enemy are 100% valid tactics there)

[MrMadguy]

Jae Hyun Nakamura, on 24 May 2015 - 01:38 AM, said:

What should i wait for? Just give me one good reason not to do it and i stop. Will he come back and kill the last 5 enemy mechs in a heroic act of uberawsome play? I don't think so...haven't seen it in 3 years of mwo. Will he rob my expensive time and this of all other 22 players left? Yes he will, thats what AFKs and Shutdowners are doing.

As i said...one good reason pls.

Peace

EDIT: And if my system or the MWO server kicks me out do desktop and i'm the last one in the match not manage it to rejoin, pls, pls, pls, tell the others my position and kill my mech. Don't waste your time with me trying to log and rejoin. If i'm not there in 2 minutes, i will not come back to the game anymore.

I agree. I've been playing this game since Open Beta and never seen this "survival squirrels" doing something else, other then wasting both team's time. Keep your cool stories about "loner hero tactics" around yourself. So it's not my personal preference - it's just a matter of experience. I would never report player, who would do something constructive. For example yesterday nobody reported player, who shut his 'Mech down and DCed, just because we were winning this match till the very last moment and at least he gave us the opportunity to draw this match - we deserved it.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Another thread that shows so many idiots who cannot honor a contract because the gameplay isn't going there way. Don't care if you don't like whats going on as you have the option to disco. Such is the way of zombies. They get excited over nothing at all.

Only one option here and that is to strictly enforce team treason. Ban a bunch and after the whining on the forums the team treason will stop.

No need to ban the dead from talking just enforce the clearly defined rules.

If joe somebody decides he will shut down/ hide or whatever its none of your business. Its for the other team to deal with. Too many busy bodies here. People who would turn in their mothers and siblings if it would benefit them. On the streets we call them scumbags.

[Ursh]

It's a dumb rule because they can enforce reporting in chat, but undoubtedly lack the tools to review gameplay to verify complaints of someone not participating in the match, ie not working towards the victory conditions.

People always have the option to not play like tools..

Sure, some players play like leeroy, charging into the enemy and dying early. Other players play like Tinkerbell, flitting around the battlefield looking for crippled mechs to finish off because they're not good enough to strip the armor themselves. Then when faced with the prospect of having to actually fight at the end of a match, they buzz around avoiding combat for as long as they can. They call it a tactic, almost everyone calls it a waste of time for everyone involved but the Tinkerbell.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Ursh, on 24 May 2015 - 06:15 AM, said:

It's a dumb rule because they can enforce reporting in chat, but undoubtedly lack the tools to review gameplay to verify complaints of someone not participating in the match, ie not working towards the victory conditions.

People always have the option to not play like tools..

Sure, some players play like leeroy, charging into the enemy and dying early. Other players play like Tinkerbell, flitting around the battlefield looking for crippled mechs to finish off because they're not good enough to strip the armor themselves. Then when faced with the prospect of having to actually fight at the end of a match, they buzz around avoiding combat for as long as they can. They call it a tactic, almost everyone calls it a waste of time for everyone involved but the Tinkerbell.

I have seen tinkerbell take out an M! Abrams for real. In Game I have seen tinkerbell seriously reduce and enemy population before the clock ran out and sometimes win the match. It's the idiots that think they know every players intentions that gall me. Just self important jerks who can't grasp what 15 minutes means. you signed on now your dead. Get over yourself and disco.

[Satan n stuff]

bad arcade kitty, on 23 May 2015 - 06:55 AM, said:

>Never seen it in any cases, other then reporting player, who intentionally hides to preserve his K/D and wastes both teams' time, non participates in core game mechanics, i.e. violates rules of the game by himself.

lolwhat

how it violates the rules

if anything, it's informing where that player is violates the rules and generally the fair play

you have more than 1 mech quiaff? so quit and pick another mech

p.s. i play conquest only so i dislike you not because i'm doing something like those people but because you are a bad teammate to have

also i agree it would be nice if dead people had /all blocked

You used a contraction there, better go wash your keyboard with soap.

[MrMadguy]

Ursh, on 24 May 2015 - 06:15 AM, said:

It's a dumb rule because they can enforce reporting in chat, but undoubtedly lack the tools to review gameplay to verify complaints of someone not participating in the match, ie not working towards the victory conditions.

People always have the option to not play like tools..

Sure, some players play like leeroy, charging into the enemy and dying early. Other players play like Tinkerbell, flitting around the battlefield looking for crippled mechs to finish off because they're not good enough to strip the armor themselves. Then when faced with the prospect of having to actually fight at the end of a match, they buzz around avoiding combat for as long as they can. They call it a tactic, almost everyone calls it a waste of time for everyone involved but the Tinkerbell.

Couldn't have said it better. Stop using parasitic tactic and we won't report you for jerking.