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[crustydog]

Oh mother, tell your children
Not to do what I have done
Spend your lives in sin and misery
In the House of the Rising Sun

Well, I got one foot on the platform
The other foot on the train
I'm goin' back to New Orleans
To wear that ball and chain

[S C A R]

DaZur, on 27 May 2015 - 10:15 PM, said:

You might want to take your own advice... Your inference to my clueless and ignorance was equally well received.

I'm not sure why I'm entertaining this but off the top of my head I could name at least a half dozen online games that do not even allow multiple accounts to play through the same router access point.

In terms of legal responsibility and a wide variety of nefarious internet based offenses... It's a rare instance for the auditing agency to go any deeper than the external facing IP unless they are looking for possession of copyrighted materials, i.e. music, videos, leaked code etc...

Dazur, I apologize for my unit member behaviour. It is simply unacceptable. ACES have a code of conduct and strict policy about breaking the rules. As a unit leader, I promise you that I make poor decisions will be dealt with in accordance with the unit's rules and regulations.

Please don't judge about the unit by the behaviour of one person. We have already one member of our unit dragged through the mud. I can assure you that serious measures will be taken soon.

Once again, I apologize to everyone who has been affected by I make poor decisions, apparently he really does.

[Seth Stin Exoría]

Just wanted to let you know I have not been banned I am just getting pissed off about being accused all the time.

[EvilCow]

Seth Stin Exoría, on 28 May 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

Just wanted to let you know I have not been banned I am just getting pissed off about being accused all the time.

You should not be pissed off, it means that you are doing it right.

I would be more worried about NOT being called a cheater once in a while.

[Mawai]

KHETTI, on 28 May 2015 - 10:17 AM, said:

Completely uncalled for comment, talk about going overboard!.

Whats needed is an Appeals thread.
Basically the Accused gets 48 hrs to present anything that can prove their innocence, they can only log-in and post on that thread for said period.
PGI staff members are the only others allowed to post there, for the rest of us its read only, cases would be forbidden to be discussed elsewhere on the forum.

They can take their appeals up with PGI through support ... if they end up reinstated then a post to the forums will very quickly confirm that status and clear their name.

The only reason to have an appeals thread is to allow for the morbid curiosity of us folks in the peanut gallery. We have no data, no information, nothing to make a decision on regarding the behaviour of individual players ... their guilt or innocence.

Since PGI will NEVER post the reasons for the finding of cheating since it would offer insight into their methods usable by the folks who write the software ... an appeals thread would only serve as a platform for disseminating lies (or at best information that can not be substantiated) on the part of the folks who cheated. It would accomplish nothing. What good would impassioned public declarations of innocence by those found guilty of cheating do? They don't need to convince the peanut gallery ... they need to convince PGI that they were not cheating .. that there was some error in their metrics ... and that won't be in any way aided by an open "Appeals thread".

[Zeusus]

Mazzyplz, on 28 May 2015 - 10:48 AM, said:

BTW; to all the people talking about banning IP - that's INCORRECT.

the industry standard is to ban mac adress IIRC, because IP can change, most people have dynamic ip now, that's why it would not work.

You can spoof MACs too.

[Dimento Graven]

Seth Stin Exoría, on 28 May 2015 - 11:01 AM, said:

Just wanted to let you know I have not been banned I am just getting pissed off about being accused all the time.

I take it as the highest compliment: "You're playing so good, it's like you're a machine!"

And trust me, with more than double the headshots as you, I certainly get an over abundance of accusations.

Zeusus, on 28 May 2015 - 11:04 AM, said:

You can spoof MACs too.

I've been out of the net admin game so long, I didn't know that. 'Nifty'...

[Satan n stuff]

Zeusus, on 28 May 2015 - 11:04 AM, said:

You can spoof MACs too.

Sure, but do you think the average cheater knows how to do that?

[Joseph Mallan]

RussianWolf, on 28 May 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

horns more likely..

Bought a pair of those at RenFest a few years back... And my birthdate is quite sinister!

[Dimento Graven]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 May 2015 - 11:07 AM, said:

Bought a pair of those at RenFest a few years back... And my birthdate is quite sinister!

June 6, 1966?

Satan n stuff, on 28 May 2015 - 11:06 AM, said:

Sure, but do you think the average cheater knows how to do that?

That's a great question, it seems like it would be a lot of effort to spoof MAC and IP... Because if I was PGI, I'd be banning both...

[Burktross]

I Make Poor Decisions, on 27 May 2015 - 09:50 PM, said:

Nice ad hominem.

Well, I don't think he's using it to win his argument (such "Why should I trust what some ****** says")
Looks more like he's insulting you straight up.

[Aresye]

Seth Stin Exoría, on 28 May 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

I am going to bring another side to this story, My character name was Seth Davion, now Seth Stin Exoria or in greek Σεθ Στην Εξορία which means Seth in Exile as I do not play with a unit anymore. Intro over, I have killed over 13000 mechs in my mechwarrior online time. I have played since the beginning and I have been accused of cheating on every match in the last few months. For high level players there is a risk that skill is being misconstrued as cheating and to be honest it is no longer flattering. I hope PGI are banning people based on statistical evidence that can be proven and not the vocal minority who stand still and wonder why players like me aim for the head. To elaborate on my method. I have dual monitors and images of every mech in the game with the approximate head location highlighted I have memorised them all so I can hit the head on most mechs that stand still or are moving in a predictable direction. I have thus far 140 confirmed headshots. Please stop accusing me of cheating or anyone else until there is evidence. I love this game and the community and I have been a part of it for a long time, "If we cannot find the whitch we will create one to burn" On paper players like me and others are being accused because we are experienced. I HAVE NEVER CHEATED AND NEVER WILL, I DO NOT NEED TO. I have practiced for literal years to be at the point I am at now and there are many others in the same position. Go into the training grounds a practice shoot and you will be able to hit time and time again that is how learned stop making baseless accusations. Or show me evidence.

If you're legit, then you have nothing to worry about.

I use a modified user.cfg file in addition to a DPI shift on my mouse to better line up longer range shots. Both have been stated by PGI as allowed. I've been "allegedly" reported several times, usually over lucky shots, but I'm also better than most players are at directly pegging light mechs with PPCs (being drunk enhances this ability for some odd reason). I have no reasons to doubt that reports have been made against me. Hell, if I was the other player in some of the shots I've made, I would have reported myself

If you don't cheat, and only use what PGI has already said is allowed, you have nothing to worry about.

[Joseph Mallan]

bad arcade kitty, on 27 May 2015 - 10:23 PM, said:

phhh

it frankly annoys me that people are more mad at cheaters than at team traitors, they blame cheaters but it's ok to them to betray the position of their inactive teammate, imo the second thing is like 100 times worse than using aimbot or wallhack

In teh right circumstance it is. But not all. And it is also OK for the aggrieved to submit a ticket about the traitors. I PGI deems them at fault, all punishments should apply.

[Mawai]

Seth Stin Exoría, on 28 May 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

I am going to bring another side to this story, My character name was Seth Davion, now Seth Stin Exoria or in greek Σεθ Στην Εξορία which means Seth in Exile as I do not play with a unit anymore. Intro over, I have killed over 13000 mechs in my mechwarrior online time. I have played since the beginning and I have been accused of cheating on every match in the last few months. For high level players there is a risk that skill is being misconstrued as cheating and to be honest it is no longer flattering. I hope PGI are banning people based on statistical evidence that can be proven and not the vocal minority who stand still and wonder why players like me aim for the head. To elaborate on my method. I have dual monitors and images of every mech in the game with the approximate head location highlighted I have memorised them all so I can hit the head on most mechs that stand still or are moving in a predictable direction. I have thus far 140 confirmed headshots. Please stop accusing me of cheating or anyone else until there is evidence. I love this game and the community and I have been a part of it for a long time, "If we cannot find the whitch we will create one to burn" On paper players like me and others are being accused because we are experienced. I HAVE NEVER CHEATED AND NEVER WILL, I DO NOT NEED TO. I have practiced for literal years to be at the point I am at now and there are many others in the same position. Go into the training grounds a practice shoot and you will be able to hit time and time again that is how learned stop making baseless accusations. Or show me evidence.

LOL. Then you have nothing to fear. Folks in games can never accurately assess cheating. The best they can do is say "This player might be cheating" and send their name into PGI.

The assessment of whether someone is cheating or not ... is not statistical ... though out of band statistics might flag someone for further investigation ... they might just be a very skilled shooter. However, 3rd party cheat software is detectable. There are lots of little things that PGI can look for ... it is a fight between PGIs detection techniques on one side and the hackers ability to hide the software on the other. When PGI identifies that this software is in use (or something similar) they can then act to ban the account.

So ... don't worry about ingame accusations ... unless you are actually using cheat software.

[Zeusus]

Satan n stuff, on 28 May 2015 - 11:06 AM, said:

Sure, but do you think the average cheater knows how to do that?

Haha definitely not! I work in telecomm and I don't even know how to do it. I'm just pointing out it can be done.

[Dimento Graven]

Aresye Kerensky, on 28 May 2015 - 11:10 AM, said:

...

(being drunk enhances this ability for some odd reason).

...

You've noticed that too eh?

Pretty soon being drunk while playing will be considered cheating...

[Joseph Mallan]

Seth Stin Exoría, on 28 May 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

I am going to bring another side to this story, My character name was Seth Davion, now Seth Stin Exoria or in greek Σεθ Στην Εξορία which means Seth in Exile as I do not play with a unit anymore. Intro over, I have killed over 13000 mechs in my mechwarrior online time. I have played since the beginning and I have been accused of cheating on every match in the last few months. For high level players there is a risk that skill is being misconstrued as cheating and to be honest it is no longer flattering. I hope PGI are banning people based on statistical evidence that can be proven and not the vocal minority who stand still and wonder why players like me aim for the head. To elaborate on my method. I have dual monitors and images of every mech in the game with the approximate head location highlighted I have memorised them all so I can hit the head on most mechs that stand still or are moving in a predictable direction. I have thus far 140 confirmed headshots. Please stop accusing me of cheating or anyone else until there is evidence. I love this game and the community and I have been a part of it for a long time, "If we cannot find the whitch we will create one to burn" On paper players like me and others are being accused because we are experienced. I HAVE NEVER CHEATED AND NEVER WILL, I DO NOT NEED TO. I have practiced for literal years to be at the point I am at now and there are many others in the same position. Go into the training grounds a practice shoot and you will be able to hit time and time again that is how learned stop making baseless accusations. Or show me evidence.

I am not accusing you of anything. But this is not a court of law, and innocent till proven guilty does not apply.

Dimento Graven, on 28 May 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:

You've noticed that too eh?

Pretty soon being drunk while playing will be considered cheating...

If I shoot Mechs like a throw darts when drunk... It is!

[Bilbo]

Dimento Graven, on 28 May 2015 - 11:12 AM, said:

You've noticed that too eh?

Pretty soon being drunk while playing will be considered cheating...

I'm doomed then.

[RussianWolf]

Zeusus, on 28 May 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

Haha definitely not! I work in telecomm and I don't even know how to do it. I'm just pointing out it can be done.

I just want to stop telemarketers from calling FROM my house, They always seem to be able to escape before I find which room they called from. (yes, they know how to spoof your own number to call you now.)

[Burktross]

LORD TSARKON, on 28 May 2015 - 12:29 AM, said:

There is no reason for Russ... President - Piranha Games Inc... to lie or try to stop a Founder Pilot from playing this game.... HE needs as many players and paying customers as possible.... PGI just lost a lot of money banning these high paying customers.... but they got something even more important than money.... they finally got the respect of the player base to do something with cheaters in the game..

Well said.