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[Dimento Graven]

Bilbo, on 28 May 2015 - 11:14 AM, said:

I'm doomed then.

Me too brudda, me too.

I gots a full kegerator downstairs and regularly make trips to refill. (I know when to stop when I lose the ability to successfully navigate the steps...)

One way or another I'm doomed... Beer will either be declared 'performance enhancement', or my liver will give out...

[Mawai]

Dimento Graven, on 28 May 2015 - 11:10 AM, said:

June 6, 1966?

That's a great question, it seems like it would be a lot of effort to spoof MAC and IP... Because if I was PGI, I'd be banning both...

Banning IP and MAC addresses is pointless since there are fairly simply ways to change both. Lots of routers will have a field where you can set the MAC address. A new MAC address to your ISP may well give you a new IP as well ... if not you can probably just request a new IP address. I know both Windows and Linux are relatively easy to set the MAC address ... in Linux you just set a value in a config file and restart networking.

Anyway, from what I can tell, PGI has not banned IP addresses since folks who were banned don't seem to have any trouble creating new forum accounts. PGI appears to have banned accounts that logged into the servers with cheat software active.

[Zeusus]

RussianWolf, on 28 May 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

I just want to stop telemarketers from calling FROM my house, They always seem to be able to escape before I find which room they called from. (yes, they know how to spoof your own number to call you now.)

There are so many ways to do this one could write a book. Extremely easy to code in VoIP. Sadly people will always abuse legitimate features...

[CDLord HHGD]

RussianWolf, on 28 May 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

I just want to stop telemarketers from calling FROM my house, They always seem to be able to escape before I find which room they called from. (yes, they know how to spoof your own number to call you now.)

I know right.... God help them if I ever find them.... I get ~3 calls a day from "Rachel from Cardholder Services"....

[Apnu]

Seth Stin Exoría, on 28 May 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

I am going to bring another side to this story, My character name was Seth Davion, now Seth Stin Exoria or in greek Σεθ Στην Εξορία which means Seth in Exile as I do not play with a unit anymore. Intro over, I have killed over 13000 mechs in my mechwarrior online time. I have played since the beginning and I have been accused of cheating on every match in the last few months. For high level players there is a risk that skill is being misconstrued as cheating and to be honest it is no longer flattering. I hope PGI are banning people based on statistical evidence that can be proven and not the vocal minority who stand still and wonder why players like me aim for the head. To elaborate on my method. I have dual monitors and images of every mech in the game with the approximate head location highlighted I have memorised them all so I can hit the head on most mechs that stand still or are moving in a predictable direction. I have thus far 140 confirmed headshots. Please stop accusing me of cheating or anyone else until there is evidence. I love this game and the community and I have been a part of it for a long time, "If we cannot find the whitch we will create one to burn" On paper players like me and others are being accused because we are experienced. I HAVE NEVER CHEATED AND NEVER WILL, I DO NOT NEED TO. I have practiced for literal years to be at the point I am at now and there are many others in the same position. Go into the training grounds a practice shoot and you will be able to hit time and time again that is how learned stop making baseless accusations. Or show me evidence.

Then you're fine. PGI does have ways of looking at the game logs to find cheaters. They have access to all the game's data. Its proprietary and we, the players, will never see it. Russ lamented on Twitter that he hated banning players for cheating who'd paid several hundreds of dollars. Believe me, PGI doesn't want to ban whales, but they did because cheating cannot be tolerated ever.

Relax, the difference between a very good player and an aimbot is night and day. They can tell.

[Dimento Graven]

Mawai, on 28 May 2015 - 11:19 AM, said:

Banning IP and MAC addresses is pointless since there are fairly simply ways to change both. Lots of routers will have a field where you can set the MAC address. A new MAC address to your ISP may well give you a new IP as well ... if not you can probably just request a new IP address. I know both Windows and Linux are relatively easy to set the MAC address ... in Linux you just set a value in a config file and restart networking.

Anyway, from what I can tell, PGI has not banned IP addresses since folks who were banned don't seem to have any trouble creating new forum accounts. PGI appears to have banned accounts that logged into the servers with cheat software active.

Again, I've been out of the net admin game long enough to be very ignorant as to the details, but if it were me making the decision, I'd still ban both the IP and MAC address.

Considering that ultimately at it's core, the reason to cheat is because you're too lazy to put in the effort to improve your game play naturally, I believe it would be reasonable to assume that most cheaters would be too lazy to go through even a modicum of effort to change MAC and IP.

Also damnit, the principle of it as well. MAKE THEM have to go through additional effort.

Considering to post here you just create a new account under a new email address, log into the game, play 20 matches and, whammo blammo, you're allowed to post here to try and publicly decry your circumstances and protest your innocence...

C'mon let's add AT LEAST one more step these bozos have to go through to inflict their presence upon us...

[Burktross]

xengk, on 28 May 2015 - 08:26 AM, said:

The meme I want from the movie is this.
Replace the steering wheel with Autocannon and add "WORSHIP THE DAKKA" over it.


Or make it the new steering wheel underhive meme.

I vote for steering wheel underhive.

Edited by Burktross, 28 May 2015 - 11:32 AM.

[Zeusus]

Dimento Graven, on 28 May 2015 - 11:24 AM, said:

Again, I've been out of the net admin game long enough to be very ignorant as to the details, but if it were me making the decision, I'd still ban both the IP and MAC address.

Considering that ultimately at it's core, the reason to cheat is because you're too lazy to put in the effort to improve your game play naturally, I believe it would be reasonable to assume that most cheaters would be too lazy to go through even a modicum of effort to change MAC and IP.

Also damnit, the principle of it as well. MAKE THEM have to go through additional effort.

Considering to post here you just create a new account under a new email address, log into the game, play 20 matches and, whammo blammo, you're allowed to post here to try and publicly decry your circumstances and protest your innocence...

C'mon let's add AT LEAST one more step these bozos have to go through to inflict their presence upon us...

The problem with IP bans is sometimes your ISP changes it. My buddy and I play Terraria a lot and we had connection problems the other day and it took me a fee minutes to notice my IP had changed. I didn't ask for it,but ISP did it anyways (not that I really cared).

So they don't necessarily need to do it themselves. Also so you really want to ban an entire university for the actions of one person?

[Dimento Graven]

Zeusus, on 28 May 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

...

So they don't necessarily need to do it themselves. Also so you really want to ban an entire university for the actions of one person?

I'm tempted to say yes, and then when the other people at the university who care want to find out why, let 'em know...

[Burktross]

GRiPSViGiL, on 28 May 2015 - 10:13 AM, said:

FYI: I wasn't banned I just don't play much anymore.

k

[RussianWolf]

Zeusus, on 28 May 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

So they don't necessarily need to do it themselves. Also so you really want to ban an entire university for the actions of one person?

They are supposed to be getting edumacated, not playing giant stompy robots.

[Bilbo]

RussianWolf, on 28 May 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

They are supposed to be getting edumacated, not playing giant stompy robots.

Everyone deserves a little giant stompy robot action every now and then.

[RussianWolf]

Just to be clear..... I have not been banned....... I will continue to die fearlessly in a hail of weapons fire from other players (sometimes my own teammates')

You know... Just in case anyone thought my .95 KDR was from hacks.

[RussianWolf]

Bilbo, on 28 May 2015 - 11:42 AM, said:

Everyone deserves a little giant stompy robot action every now and then.

See this is the problem.... They are too busy playing giant stompy robots rather than having unprotected sex like we did in the old days. At this rate the country will be populated by robots in no time at all.

[DaZur]

S C A R, on 28 May 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

Dazur, I apologize for my unit member behaviour. It is simply unacceptable. ACES have a code of conduct and strict policy about breaking the rules. As a unit leader, I promise you that I make poor decisions will be dealt with in accordance with the unit's rules and regulations.

Please don't judge about the unit by the behaviour of one person. We have already one member of our unit dragged through the mud. I can assure you that serious measures will be taken soon.

Once again, I apologize to everyone who has been affected by I make poor decisions, apparently he really does.

Sir you do not owe me nor the community an apology but the gesture and implied intend is very welcome...

While I can't speak for everyone, I believe in my heart that very few logic based members would not think to judge a unit by the actions of a few rogue members.

Thank-you for your forthcoming and continued good luck with all your unit endeavors!

[Weeny Machine]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 May 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

With exception of Bhael I don't know any of the banned!

I saw Sprachrohrgottes in several matches.

[Kristov Kerensky]

PGI didn't ban IPs, they've stated in the past that they don't do that because it's pointless. I work in IT, and it's pointless to ban by IP or MAC or both, they can both be changed quite easily and you do NOT need to be an IT pro to do it, don't even need special software. There ARE other types of bans using IDs from various pieces of hardware in the computer, but PGI isn't doing that either.

PGI banned the accounts and their alts that were caught using the hack, simple as that. So, while Bhael can claim his daughter is the one who d/l'ed and installed the hack on HER computer, the simple fact that both her account AND his were banned indicates that BOTH accounts used the hack. We'll just totally overlook the entire fact that the hack in question is NOT a freebie, you can't go out on the internet and get a copy for free, it's a real world cash only subscription service hack, which rather makes the 'my kid did it' defense rather...weak. I heard it soooo many times when I was actively hunting people using hacks as part of my job. I always loved it when someone who did NOT know they'd been on voice with me when they were caught would turn around and claim it was someone ELSE using their account at the time, always amusing as hell.

Now, one of the people busted has given what HE claims are the facts behind how he and the other people got caught. Please keep something in mind while considering his claims, he has admitted to using the hack, but he did not do that AT FIRST, he first claimed to have done his OWN tinkering with the game files and that's all. His admission to using the hack came later, after it was made clear exactly what was the reason for the bans. So even his initial admission was a lie, anything he's saying after that, don't count on it being truth. I am sure there ARE more people who have the hack and have used it, they were simply lucky enough to NOT get caught this time around. And I'm sure the hack has been updated, again, so that it's harder to detect while in use. Which is just ONE of the ways to detect that someone has used it, something the hack makers do NOT want their customers to be aware of, detection AFTER the usage is possible and not all that difficult. There is a reason the hack is a subscription service folks.

I'd also go with the assumption that PGI has a subscription to that service as well

As to the units who might have had members banned, some of us won't hold it against you, we know how these things work. I busted one of my own using hacks in MW2, ugly scene. It was worse for ME personally because I'd recruited the kid his first day playing MW2 online and taught him everything I knew about playing and he WAS good. Sadly, the kid didn't know I was the guy who worked for the Registry hunting hack users, and one day, I just happened to look at the .mek file he'd left on my system after practice... I almost know how the parent's of criminal feel, I didn't teach him to do that crap, I was vehemently against it, so was my Co-Capt and our XO and we made sure ALL of our people knew it wasn't acceptable, ever, and he did it anyway...and he used them against his teammates in a PRACTICE!

Many of us know, it's not the team, it's that singular piece of crap who did it. Anyone who thinks the team is at fault, sorry, you are wrong, unless the entire team without exception is using a hack, it's entirely on the individuals who do it, not the team.

[MischiefSC]

Good people can make bad mistakes. It's alright to take some vicious glee in seeing people get banned. Just try to keep the 'so and so is a piece of crap' stuff to a minimum.

Someone you know and like could get banned in the next wave. Keep that in mind; don't want to have trouble asking them what the **** they were thinking because you've got your foot in your mouth.

Cheating is bad. People should feel bad about being cheaters. That isn't a good excuse for other people to be total ******** to them, or anyone for that matter.

[Templar Dane]

MischiefSC, on 28 May 2015 - 12:17 PM, said:

Good people can make bad mistakes. It's alright to take some vicious glee in seeing people get banned. Just try to keep the 'so and so is a piece of crap' stuff to a minimum.

Someone you know and like could get banned in the next wave. Keep that in mind; don't want to have trouble asking them what the **** they were thinking because you've got your foot in your mouth.

Cheating is bad. People should feel bad about being cheaters. That isn't a good excuse for other people to be total ******** to them, or anyone for that matter.

Some people just suck at video games. My best friend can't compete with me, but he doesn't cheat, he accepts his suckage and then challenges me to a game of scrabble and destroys me with words I swear don't exist but do......

[Raggedyman]

Juodas Varnas, on 27 May 2015 - 10:43 AM, said:

I've never cheated in an online game in my life, but i always gets anxious when i hear about stuff like this.

Don't, each ban costs money so developers will check and double check before issuing a ban. Even if you were to be banned and then reinstated that would be $$$ waved goodbye, so the overwhelming tendency is to errr on the side of caution and give the benefit of the doubt.