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[TheCharlatan]

I have seen some pretty dumb behaviour from our fellow Mechwarriors, but I think that everybody does something stupid every now and then, or simply gets very unlucky.
If you are unlucky, a high % of your team will be one of these three:
1- Bad
2- Unlucky
3- Someone who makes a mistake
It's PUG life, just laugh it out and fire up another match.

And BTW, every PvP game (in particular those with no respawn) I've ever played has this problem.

[Gooner]

The truth in online gaming.

- Player dies
- The weapon that killed him/her is OP (player refuses to use this OP weapon because reasons)
- The player's team is a bunch of noobs
- The server is laggy
- Enemy team uses aimbots
- Player is still pro

Edited by Gooner, 31 May 2015 - 12:19 AM.

[meteorol]

Yeah, compared to the other multiplayer FPS i have played over the last 15 years, the skill level in MWO is pretty low.
I never had stats as good as i have here, and the reason for that is not that i'm way better in playing MWO than i'm in CS or BF. They playerbase, on average, is just a lot less skilled.

[Insects]

Ive spectated someone in a king crab farm two DC's, like carefully farm max damage from every component before killing. To get to their spawn in a crab he had to have spent the entire first half of the game walking down the edge of the map.

After his farming he started walking back and got killed with team getting stomped.

He then has the nerve to start ranting "2 kills and 500 dmg, can only carry so hard, bad team.."

Had to laugh, for a start his damage was mediocre for a crab plus I saw how he got that damage contributing nothing to the team while depriving it of 100 tons of armor.

[Sjorpha]

joelmuzz, on 30 May 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

Do you realize that if the matchmaking truly worked and everyone was perfectly equal skill that in most cases you would get zero to two kills and average around 200?

QFT

Also, what is the point of threads like this? What good do they do?

Bad/Newbie/mediocre players are a hell of a lot better than no players, be happy that new people are joining and trying to learn the ropes. Be happy that people choose to play with you for whatever reason.

Last night my daughter tried the game on my account for example, she had a lot of fun. But I had to help her write in chat every match that she was just a little kid playing around so douchebags like the OP here wouldn't start trashing her. Thankfully there was a lot of "great, welcome", "good luck kid" and even "I'll try to look out for ya", so there are many decent people around too.

There are a thousand different reasons why someone is bad at a game or can't play well at that time, and that's all ok. Being a "skilled" douchebag is not.

Edited by Sjorpha, 31 May 2015 - 12:42 AM.

[Aramoro999]

Abaddonis, on 30 May 2015 - 06:37 PM, said:

This game suffers from many, many crippling issues. The blatantly incompetent player base being one of them.

Game after game after game teams have a lance or more that are incapable of putting out 100 damage.

I guess this is a hard game? Dunno. But good god, there are so many terrible players.

What are u talking about?
Where i play ppl never miss a single shoot...u make 1 mistake and ur dead.

Edited by Aramoro999, 31 May 2015 - 12:44 AM.

[Rogue Jedi]

I am a veteran player (I started in August 2012 and have never taken a break from MWO) who has been accused of being a "great light pilot".
About 1 game in 5 I will get less than 100 damage in my Spiders (my favorite and most played chassis), about once a month I will get a 0 damage game.

does that make me a bad player?

[Kilo 40]

OP is right. Time for us to pack it in and go play some Call of Duty, where all the good players are.

[ztac]

This is a funny post and I will tell you why now:- If you are in a match with terrible players and there is a matchmaker (probably one of the worst in gaming history I might add in your defence), then what does it say about you as a player being put in the same 'balanced' matches with these players?

Just thought I'd point that out, have a nice day!

[Mcgral18]

ztac, on 31 May 2015 - 01:19 AM, said:

This is a funny post and I will tell you why now:- If you are in a match with terrible players and there is a matchmaker (probably one of the worst in gaming history I might add in your defence), then what does it say about you as a player being put in the same 'balanced' matches with these players?

Just thought I'd point that out, have a nice day!

Elo averaging

[LowSubmarino]

The weird thing is, if I would see players in trial or unmastered mechs then I wouldnt say a word. But I constantly see guys in expensive and mastered mechs that play so abysmally bad. Runnin into the entire enemy team dying instantly.

Not even animals are that dumb hahaha!!!

Wtf?

Why do I see so incredibly many players play so bad. They just die 1 minute into the game sometimes not even landing one alpha.

Pretty weird. But thats mwo.

[Timicon]

I think this is a pretty mute 'discussion' seeing as how the OP is not even reading any of the posts or if they are, not taking anything in by them. I enjoy a good rant as much as the next person but this thread is just ridiculous.

[Smith Gibson]

Abaddonis, on 30 May 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

3 teammates dying within 2 minutes of the match starting...not disconnects....not the slow assaults left to die...just 3 players dying by being terrible.

Stomp the enemy team 12-3....enemy team has 5 players that can't crack 200 damage....3 of them can't crack 100.

The Steam release is going to exacerbate this even further.




The random deaths like this are to be expected. 3-6 players consistently unable to do anything significant is more than random bad luck. I'm sure you understand that. Maybe.

According to the increasingly suspicious reasoning of the Matchmaker either you are just as bad as them (Low Elo), or you are so good that you were desperately needed to balance out the team to make up for them. I hope you are not in the low Elo camp, but I've seen way too many players die in the first 2 minutes of a game and claim they died because the rest of us were incompetent.

Moral of the story:
If you die early while surrounded by incompetents you might be one of them.
If you die late while surrounded by incompetents you have my condolences.

[Nyuuu]

Kiiyor, on 30 May 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:

Well, SOMEONE has to be the poor sap caught out in the open or on a flank at the start of a game.

Not everyone can be tucked away safely in the center of the death blob. There will always be players on the edges, that are looking to get eyes on the enemy and do some early damage. They are normally the ones that will be caught out if they stumble into more mechs than they can handle.

I'd say it's less about skill, and more about luck.

It galls me when 'experienced' players rant about other players dying early, when those 'experienced' players simply don't contribute at the start of a match, or play extremely cautiously. Patience is absolutely a virtue, but without other players actively locating the enemy, cautious players wouldn't know where anything was to shoot at it. It just so happens that players on the front line of contact will usually be the first to die - yet their contribution is still invaluable.

If you consider taking damage equals scouting I think you are doing it quite wrong...

There is the seismic sensor, getting info without the enemy even ever seeing you.
There is UAV
There are Mechs actually having the cockpit at the top of the Mech, having to expose very little to get a good look.
There are lights, able to round a corner, locate the hostiles and get back in cover before the enemy even manages to aim at the spot.

If I see someone using "scouting" as an excuse for losing >10% armor right at the start of the match I will tell him to stop his miserable "scouting" attempts, stay in cover and let someone with an actual idea bout what he's doing scout.

When losing that much armour just to get a look at the enemy you are actually hurting your team, the information you acquire is less valuable than the armor you lose.

Kiiyor, on 30 May 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:

You can't judge someone's impact on battle by damage alone.

Not by damage alone, but the combination of battle score, kills and damages gives a very good picture.
Someone with an average of 12 / 0 / 67 across 50 matches would help his team best by uninstalling....

[Kiiyor]

Nyuuu, on 31 May 2015 - 02:34 AM, said:

If you consider taking damage equals scouting I think you are doing it quite wrong...

Not scouting. Being at the front - or the flanks. Basically, anywhere there isn't the comfort of a mech in front of or behind you.

It's these players that are likely to be seen first, and fired at first. It's usually these players that are controlling the movement of the entire team, through virtue of being at the front. It's these players that are likely to mix it up at first contact, and fight for information. They're the players willing to risk the paint on their mechs by being the center of someone else's attention, so that others can fire at their target with less risk to themselves.

These players might also take some huge hits early on, and might not be able to match the contribution of more cautious players.

I'm not saying that low damage != a crap player, sometimes it does. I'm saying that sometimes, bad luck happens - and even though a lance might not scrape a great deal of damage together between them, the might be contributing on other ways. They might be the only ones to try and protect the rear of the group in a nice game of daytona, sacrificing themselves to buy time for the MadCats and StormCrows leaving everyone in their dust to seek glory at the front of the pack.

I'm saying that more often than not, the players I see mocking the participation of others are those that wait until the halfway point of a match to actually participate. They'll play the cautious game, making sure there's always a friendly or two between them and the pointy bits of the enemy, taking safe shots, minimizing their exposure. Everyone has bad games.

Nyuuu, on 31 May 2015 - 02:34 AM, said:

Not by damage alone, but the combination of battle score, kills and damages gives a very good picture.
Someone with an average of 12 / 0 / 67 across 50 matches would help his team best by uninstalling....

This is true.

All i'm trying to say though, is that there are other, less tangible ways to contribute, that you can't see through stats alone. You can't just assume that players are bad because their match damage is low.

[TWIAFU]

Abaddonis, on 30 May 2015 - 06:37 PM, said:

This game suffers from many, many crippling issues. The blatantly incompetent player base being one of them.

Game after game after game teams have a lance or more that are incapable of putting out 100 damage.

I guess this is a hard game? Dunno. But good god, there are so many terrible players.

Just wait until Steam launches, ain't seen NOTHING yet.

[Sarlic]

I agree on several points. The Community has changed since Beta. The learning curve for the most of the Founders are over.

And i will add more.

• A majority of the Community are powercreeps. Sad but true. --> This is destroying the game currently.
  
• Aiming and skill has been improved. Which is not bad, but new players have to do the hard learning curve, while veterans already mastered it.
  
• Most of the Community members likes to specialise in things. Generalist builds are absoleted. Because ineffective and everyone likes to cruise on their own.
  
• With Steam release coming along the algorythm of matchmaking and ELO needs to be changed to make more close matches.

Although most of the majority are very friendly people and nice persons i just cant get into the amount of complaints i see each time something get nerfed or buffed where people 'paid' for it. Because he or she thinks 'I paid for a product and i want to see it changed and complain about it.'

Edited by Sarlic, 31 May 2015 - 04:17 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Abaddonis, on 30 May 2015 - 06:46 PM, said:

3 teammates dying within 2 minutes of the match starting...not disconnects....not the slow assaults left to die...just 3 players dying by being terrible.

Stomp the enemy team 12-3....enemy team has 5 players that can't crack 200 damage....3 of them can't crack 100.

The Steam release is going to exacerbate this even further.




The random deaths like this are to be expected. 3-6 players consistently unable to do anything significant is more than random bad luck. I'm sure you understand that. Maybe.

So three players ran into bad luck, or better players and that makes them BAD. First world problem.

[Mudhutwarrior]

It all has to do with groove. Sometimes your in it. Sometimes your not. Sometimes no one on your team is in it.

Fought enough top players on their bad days thankfully. Usually its my bad day though.

When you see "Mud what were you thinking?" in chat it's time to go get some coffee and read a book.

[Mawai]

Abaddonis, on 30 May 2015 - 06:37 PM, said:

This game suffers from many, many crippling issues. The blatantly incompetent player base being one of them.

Game after game after game teams have a lance or more that are incapable of putting out 100 damage.

I guess this is a hard game? Dunno. But good god, there are so many terrible players.

Elo hell ... work hard .. play better .. escape

I've played about 15 games so far this weekend. I don't think there was a single one where a lance on my side in the PUG queue did less than 100 points of damage ... even in the ROFL stomps where we lost.

Try using chat to encourage folks to regroup ... that goes a LONG way toward helping in many cases.

After that, if everyone looks to be doing something you don't want to do ... support them rather than doing your own thing ... easiest way to lose in PUG is to split up and do your own thing because you are RIGHT! ... even if your idea or plan really is better ... the group as a whole loses most often when it splits. If you have a plan ... put it forward at the beginning and see if you get a group of folks with you ... then see if the rest follow ... if they do you are golden.

Complaining about the player base just isn't that effective a strategy ... you have to work with what you find in every match.