203 replies to this topic

[Creovex]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 01:40 PM, said:

Creovex,

I have personally spectated just about every player we have, and I PERSONALLY addressed an issue with the unit leader. I felt what had been done was wrong, he instantly had a meeting with the individual on our teamspeak. The issue was addressed and never done again. So I have acted in good faith against any bad conduct or potential cheating personally. That gives me the moral right to speak out on this. 2 wrongs don't make a right PERIOD.

That line of thought would result in "they cheated so I get to also" and I never believe in winning over morals.

I live my life as an open book, I don't keep secrets and I value quality feedback in my life. I would openly discuss all aspects of this and get everyones input. However PGI does not allow that.... so if you are looking to call some one in the dark don't look at me. I did not make the PGI com rules related to this, PGI did and no one else. I am just working within the rules as given.

getting trolled here is not hiding in the dark, its discussing what I am allowed to and nothing more. If you want more discussion you need to speak to PGI to open the topic.

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

Then start a new group, because with that guild tag, you are hosed. It's impossible to unring a bell.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"GGclose d-bags are a totally different thing than cheaters"

Maybe. But people who treat others unfairly should not expect sympathy when they are treated unfairly in return. This is Karma. Deal with it.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"I doubt you were here or on reddit for the ModPud incident, but her own team suspected her of cheating, gathered the evidence, and turned her in. She was a very high profile player and the reason few people harass the 228th is because they held their own accountable. They were still left stinging from the embarrassment she brought, but they did the right thing by cleaning their own ranks by disassociating themselves from cheating and having no place for it."

I don't believe ModPud was on 228th when he was busted for cheating. He had moved onto another unit (or two?). He was still associated with them, but no longer on their roster.

[utontihso]

Fenrisulvyn,

We specifically work very hard to establish we don't do the GG close on a stomp. If ANYONE has done that by all means
contact Chaas our unit leader or me. We cant be in every game, and as we add new players we often remove people and black list them when they do what we see as bad in game things. I work hard every game to make sure we are always respectful of others.

I am not a wet behind the ears kid, I am totally aware of the overall choices at hand. I am also VERY aware nothing will change if the issue is not pushed "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". If Bullies are allowed to bully then instead of someones feelings hurt, it eventually grows to a major event in some manner.

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

[Eboli]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 12:26 PM, said:

Lord Scarlett,

...

I can say this as far as 66AH goes. We actively look to stop cheating and HAVE done so in the past and removed members for doing so.


Utontihso

66AH

So, did you group report these players to PGI or just let them go to continue their practice? Whether you like it or not significant names in your group got banned for cheating. Although you may not have cheated it was likely you benefitted from it as did the unit name. If your group was not active in reporting such cheaters than your group was part of the problem.

Certain larger well known units have enjoyed rubbing losing units/players noses in it when they lose (rekt, ggclose, l2p, don't come back, plus much worse in game chat). Do you really think that such behaviour would be forgotten/forgiven? Lords for example are/were such a group that most players don't like or will never forgive because of the attitude to players by such egomaniacs.

Anyhow, you still associate yourself with a group whom have had members of their leadership banned for cheating. You can put up with it until things die down or move to another unit but don't expect players to be so forgiving towards your group name.

I won't and don't call out members of groups regarding your concerns BUT I do want to know this:

If your group did kick players for cheating did you report them to PGI???

Eboli

Edited by Eboli, 07 June 2015 - 03:29 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Welcome to the modern world. Where evidence is not required, and Guilt is assumed.

66AH is tainted now. Period. You think it unfair, but did you excise the cancer from your own midst, or not? As Eboli said, how many victories did your units reputation benefit from due to the activities of these cheaters. Even now, in your OP you state it as one cheater, and not the multiple that were banned.

PGI could slap every cyber bully on the wrist, till the end of time, and it won't solve the actual issue: Your Unit's reputation, now. People see it, and will always assume the worst. And we only have your word to defend it, which as a unit that was slapped for that many cheaters, I am sorry, is no longer the gold standard.

You want the "bullying" to end? Then address the root cause. It's related to that Tag attached to your name. Good units have disbanded for less. Whether fair or not, 66AH is now associated with cheating. Bury it and move on.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Mystere, on 07 June 2015 - 12:30 PM, said:

<smh> People just don't get it. Harassment is harassment.

To fly the Flag of the Third Reich or CSA and not expect to be considered a {Godwin's Law} or racist is naive. Same as wearing a unit tag found with known cheaters.

In a perfect world, we aren't judged by the company we keep. But in the real world, if I spend time with Neo-{Godwin's Law} is it irrational for others to assume that I am also a white supremacist and treat me as such?

But I digress, harassment is harassment. Justice was served. Childish, irrational, and illogical people are seeking revenge now.

Fenrisulvyn, on 07 June 2015 - 02:20 PM, said:

I don't believe ModPud was on 228th when he was busted for cheating. He had moved onto another unit (or two?). He was still associated with them, but no longer on their roster.

She wasn't because she wasn't getting along with the 228th comp team she played with. She then moved to SJR and played on their comp team some, where she again left due to her not getting along with the members of SJR. She and the TheB33f went and formed their own team DUNK.

The players on 228th Black Watch gathered evidence to condemn her. Once they gathered the necessary evidence on their end, she had moved on to play for other teams. The final straw was her streaming in the Mech Masters Tourney where it was obvious she was wallhacking.

But whether she was on their roster or not, she was a top scoring player during many of their matches in various leagues and tournaments during the time she wore the 228 tag. And 228 distanced themselves from a known cheater by outing her.

[Felbombling]

Your name, sir, is Mudd. Just how important to you is this unit name, anyway. I'd be changing it already and moving on.

[Sir Wulfrick]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

What is PGI going to do about players calling all members of a unit that had someone banned "cheaters". I am VERY tired of this treatment. I don't cheat ever...... I understand one player might or might not of cheated, and I understand at least 3 were banned ( by IP ) because he logged onto their accounts for a very short play during the Tukayyid event.

This does not represent our unit nor myself and its getting pathetic we all have to be accused of this crap daily. I have no problems with addressing cheating players, but I also know I am tired of being publically attacked. Since this was posted for all to see and is openly talked about on public media platforms by PGI so this goes WAY beyond PGI and moved it into the PUBLIC domain.

Please stop this in game harassment as well as the open public bashing. I have paid good money to support this game, I have NEVER cheated and never will. I do not deserve to have a select few of the "competitive" players feel they have an open season to do defamation of character, slander etc.

Utontihso

66AH

I've only once suspected an entire unit of cheating and for what it's worth it wasn't your unit. Sadly as others have commented, the benefit of anonymity on the internet really does result in '******** being like opinions: everybody got one.'

Triordinant, on 07 June 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

Having played video games for a quarter of a century, I can confirm this. They've been that way even during the LAN gaming center days, before games went online.

Yup, been this way since I first installed the Doom 2 demo from a set of floppy disks...

[utontihso]

Bishop,

"Welcome to the modern world. Where evidence is not required, and Guilt is assumed." That is a very interesting statement, one I can not address for fear of banning also. I will say that in the past we have never found a "cheater" but we have had MANY ass hats that were rude, childish and disrespectful to others in game. When we find anyone tagged with 66AH like that we are aggressive to address it then remove them if it continues.

As a unit we have done every thing we can to play fair and respectful. Thanks for "getting" it Bishop ............

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

[GeistHrafn]

I don't understand the issue here. Half the command staff was found to be cheating and banned, of course 66AH now has a tarnished rep.
If you insist on keeping the name, deal with the "harassment". I personally wouldn't bother harassing you over it, but that's me.
If you don't want to be harassed, reform your unit under a new banner, shedding the stigma.

{Godwin's Law} sympathizers and corporations who dealt with them did everything they could to erase the stigma for the very same reasons, I don't understand why you wouldn't do the same.

[LT. HARDCASE]

If your unit has 4+ players banned for cheating, you have two options:

1 = suck it up and hold that huge L until people get over it

2 = start another unit to escape the stench of corruption

I'm not saying you deserve to be rudely treated and harassed, but when that many players get banned it's natural for the entire unit's merit and morals to be under the microscope, . The immature players in a community will run with it.

edit - oh it was the command staff? yeah you guys are permanently dirt, disband and salt the soil

Edited by Kevjack, 07 June 2015 - 03:30 PM.

[utontihso]

If your unit has 4+ players banned for cheating, you have two options:
I don't understand the issue here. Half the command staff was found to be cheating and banned, of course 66AH now has a tarnished rep.

I will state again:

PER PGI: I will be banned if I maturely and thoughly address those statements.

If you wish to discuss it must be off their Coms

All I am allowed to address is the harassment issue PGI has created by their actions.

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

[Eboli]

utontihso
I can say this as far as 66AH goes. We actively look to stop cheating and HAVE done so in the past and removed members for doing so".

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:

Bishop,

... I will say that in the past we have never found a "cheater" but we have had MANY ass hats that were rude, childish and disrespectful to others in game.

As a unit we have done every thing we can to play fair and respectful. Thanks for "getting" it Bishop ............

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

Now you are starting to confuse me. First you state that you have removed people for doing so and in your second last post you state you have not had cheaters in your unit.

You are walking on shaky ground here by making contradicting statements and am making me less sympathetic to your cause...

Eboli

Edit - typo

Edited by Eboli, 07 June 2015 - 03:58 PM.

[GeistHrafn]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 03:36 PM, said:

If your unit has 4+ players banned for cheating, you have two options:
I don't understand the issue here. Half the command staff was found to be cheating and banned, of course 66AH now has a tarnished rep.

I will state again:

PER PGI: I will be banned if I maturely and thoughly address those statements.

If you wish to discuss it must be off their Coms

All I am allowed to address is the harassment issue PGI has created by their actions.

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

But PGI didn't create a harassment issue. 66AH's cheating command staff did.

That's like a *criminal* blaming the justice system for telling people that he is one when moving into their neighborhood...

Edit: apparently the TYPE of criminal i used is disallowed by the forums.

Edited by Rhazien, 07 June 2015 - 03:40 PM.

[His Holiness Pope Buster]

Is it cheating if it happens in a different town? What if one uses protection? Or if alcohol is involved?

Blame it on the goose
Got you feeling loose
Blame it on Patron
Got you in the zone
Blame it on the a a a a a alcohol
Blame it on the a a a a a a alcohol

Edited by Buster Highman, 07 June 2015 - 04:07 PM.

[utontihso]

Actually I was very clear we have removed bad players: for childish, disrespectful type play, we had a couple do the GG close once and they got black listed for not changing etc.

and again ill discuss the full topics if sent an e mail or provided a non PGI com's form of communication.

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

[Eboli]

But - I'll ask again - did your unit report suspected cheaters to PGI???

Yes or no - it really is an easy question to answer.

Edited by Eboli, 07 June 2015 - 04:03 PM.

[utontihso]

Eboli

We have NEVER suspected a unit member of cheating.

I cant go any further on my statement as it would get me banned.

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

[Eboli]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 12:26 PM, said:

Lord Scarlett,

I can say this as far as 66AH goes. We actively look to stop cheating and HAVE done so in the past and removed members for doing so.

Utontihso

66AH

Then why say this in an early post?

And again, did your unit report suspected cheaters to PGI if you have stated you have removed players for doing so?

Eboli

Edited by Eboli, 07 June 2015 - 04:16 PM.