203 replies to this topic

[Mystere]

Rhazien, on 07 June 2015 - 03:15 PM, said:

{Godwin's Law} sympathizers and corporations who dealt with them did everything they could to erase the stigma for the very same reasons, I don't understand why you wouldn't do the same.

Because the OP expected the rest of humanity to act justly, but humanity was found lacking.

And at the same time, as of this moment, war criminals still walk free because people in the so-called "land of the free" allow them to ...

Edited by Mystere, 07 June 2015 - 04:26 PM.

[utontihso]

Eboli

Yes we look to STOP cheating, when a player wishes to join and we suspect any cheating they aren't tagged its that simple.
I understand this response was to vague, and again if I had an open and transparent medium to talk I could fully comment. By having to limit my responses due to whats "allowed" by PGI on the forums, in game on their coms etc I have to be very narrow in my comments.

e mail me and I can fully explain if you wish.

Ultimately people are missing the boat, MWO is first and foremost a BUSINESS and a game second ( their product ). Running a business that openly supports harassment isn't allowable ...... period. No matter what rational you attempt to justify it under.

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

P.S. you notice I am not running from the topic, just not "allowed" to speak to it. That should tell you something.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"She wasn't because she wasn't getting along with"
I'm confused here. Listening to the match it was obvious this was guy pretending to talk like a girl. Why do people keep calling him "she" ? Did he have a sex-change? I thought moderate pudding was a male.

[Cementi]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

What is PGI going to do about players calling all members of a unit that had someone banned "cheaters". I am VERY tired of this treatment. I don't cheat ever...... I understand one player might or might not of cheated, and I understand at least 3 were banned ( by IP ) because he logged onto their accounts for a very short play during the Tukayyid event.

This does not represent our unit nor myself and its getting pathetic we all have to be accused of this crap daily. I have no problems with addressing cheating players, but I also know I am tired of being publically attacked. Since this was posted for all to see and is openly talked about on public media platforms by PGI so this goes WAY beyond PGI and moved it into the PUBLIC domain.

Please stop this in game harassment as well as the open public bashing. I have paid good money to support this game, I have NEVER cheated and never will. I do not deserve to have a select few of the "competitive" players feel they have an open season to do defamation of character, slander etc.

Utontihso

66AH

Hence why breaking their own forum rules by naming and shaming was stupid.

[Bishop Steiner]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 04:28 PM, said:

Eboli

Yes we look to STOP cheating, when a player wishes to join and we suspect any cheating they aren't tagged its that simple.
I understand this response was to vague, and again if I had an open and transparent medium to talk I could fully comment. By having to limit my responses due to whats "allowed" by PGI on the forums, in game on their coms etc I have to be very narrow in my comments.

e mail me and I can fully explain if you wish.

Ultimately people are missing the boat, MWO is first and foremost a BUSINESS and a game second ( their product ). Running a business that openly supports harassment isn't allowable ...... period. No matter what rational you attempt to justify it under.

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

P.S. you notice I am not running from the topic, just not "allowed" to speak to it. That should tell you something.

big difference between them "openly supporting" harassment, and there not being a hell of a lot they can do about it.

If you worked for Enron, it's not the FBI, Enron, or anyone else's job to police everyone to make sure nobody says something mean to you.

Your teams LEADERSHIP was found wanting, in the basest thing (in a game, obviously, not real life), aka Cheating. Thus your UNIT carries that taint. Some people will act immaturely about it, but sadly your unit has EARNED that reputation now.
Just like ESPN can't stop everyone that says Tom Brady or Belichick are cheaters, it isn't PGIs job to hold your hand, to be honest.

If people ARE breaking Terms, then report them. If they are harassing you (which would involve more than just the occasional mean in game comment) by sending you PMs, etc, copy them, save them and report. Otherwise, not a whole lot PGI can do about it, even if they were responsible to.

Your unit is tainted. You want that stain removed, it's time to remove the stained garment, and lose the tags, sorry that's just being honest and realistic.

[Mystere]

Cementi, on 07 June 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:

Hence why breaking their own forum rules by naming and shaming was stupid.

On this I agree 100%.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"We specifically work very hard to establish we don't do the GG close on a stomp. If ANYONE has done that by all means contact Chaas our unit leader or me."

Oh my bad. From other comments here, I inferred your unit had a rep for being jerks in chat. If that's not the case, I apologize.

Here's the problem you are facing: people like me who don't even follow unit stats are aware that one team had several command staff get busted for cheating. When leadership cheats, odds are that the entire unit is in on it. That may not be true for you, and its not fair. But people are going to continue to slam your unit for cheating. I don't think its meant to harass you so much, but is instead intended to make your unit an object lesson so that *other* units will be more motivated to police their own people.

No, its not fair, but I think your best option is to open up under a new banner. Sorry.

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 07 June 2015 - 04:36 PM.

[utontihso]

bingo Mystere,

you cant put match to gasoline and then say I didn't plan for the fire to spread ...... not as a business. There is a reasonable expectation of this to happen and thus be fully culpable. As far as reputations go

that applies equally to:
Units
players
and PGI - the business

for how they handle themselves..... Harass people get the rep, don't deliver on promises get the rep, do poor CQ on patching / coding get the rep. Look to fund your next project ( see your rep ).

though in a year or so this will all be a mute point I doubt MWO will be relevant with whats in the pipeline

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

[ArchAngelWC]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

What is PGI going to do about players calling all members of a unit that had someone banned "cheaters". I am VERY tired of this treatment. I don't cheat ever...... I understand one player might or might not of cheated, and I understand at least 3 were banned ( by IP ) because he logged onto their accounts for a very short play during the Tukayyid event.

This does not represent our unit nor myself and its getting pathetic we all have to be accused of this crap daily. I have no problems with addressing cheating players, but I also know I am tired of being publically attacked. Since this was posted for all to see and is openly talked about on public media platforms by PGI so this goes WAY beyond PGI and moved it into the PUBLIC domain.

Please stop this in game harassment as well as the open public bashing. I have paid good money to support this game, I have NEVER cheated and never will. I do not deserve to have a select few of the "competitive" players feel they have an open season to do defamation of character, slander etc.

Utontihso

66AH

So you shared accounts (illegal)
and you happened to share accounts with a person who was using cheats (very illegal)
and you got banned (totally makes sense)
and you think you shouldnt be banned..because it wasnt you using the cheats...it was the cheater using your account...but wait....
YOU GAVE THEM ACCESS!! and probably knew they were cheating thus why you gave them access

[AnimosityMonk]

Cementi, on 07 June 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:

Hence why breaking their own forum rules by naming and shaming was stupid.

It's their game and their forums so they can name all the banned cheaters they want to. The OP can complain all he wants to. While most normal people would have disassociated themselves from the unit in question he/she is instead sitting on his/her soapbox crying "Why me? Why do things always happen to me?". If you do not want to leave then accept the fact that your unit's name is now and forever tarnished.

If you had never started this thread I and the people I play with never would have known about your unit cheating. You have done more harm to your unit than anyone else up to this point. Either leave it alone or take your lumps.

Edited by Animus41, 07 June 2015 - 05:05 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

ArchAngelWC, on 07 June 2015 - 04:54 PM, said:

So you shared accounts (illegal)
and you happened to share accounts with a person who was using cheats (very illegal)
and you got banned (totally makes sense)
and you think you shouldnt be banned..because it wasnt you using the cheats...it was the cheater using your account...but wait....
YOU GAVE THEM ACCESS!! and probably knew they were cheating thus why you gave them access

seriously, what legit reason is there to share accts? I know of a well known forumite and his lackeys who did it back in an early tournament, so that he could outgrind everyone to win, which of course, is cheating...but can't really think of a "legit" reason one would share accts? Something is just off with that, or am I missing something?

Cementi, on 07 June 2015 - 04:31 PM, said:

Hence why breaking their own forum rules by naming and shaming was stupid.

They didn't break their own rules. Those individuals were life banned, and thus no longer customers or members of the MWO community. And thus, not covered by Name and Shame policies.

[Cementi]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 June 2015 - 10:04 AM, said:

Sorry to say, but deal with it. Would be nice to have a Magic Mute Stick, but guess what? Video Games are rife with immature trolls and idiots who only feel good about themselves when belittling others. And it appears, most times, that the more competitive one is, the bigger the douchery that often occurs. GGClose and all.

That's the environment of video games. Don't see how it's a Devs or Publishers job to clean up what is an issue with an entire culture. Man up, ignore it, and eventually idiots get tired of trying to bait you.

They can not add fuel to the flames by giving out names.

[AnimosityMonk]

Cementi, on 07 June 2015 - 04:59 PM, said:

They can not add fuel to the flames by giving out names.

You are the only one trying to make a fire here Sparky.

Edited by Animus41, 07 June 2015 - 05:05 PM.

[occusoj]

Excuse a short question: Is the OP really stating that not one player from the comp unit had any suspicion?

Disclaimer: Im just in this thread for the good entertainment it provides.
Played CS and fortress games comp. for over a decade but not MWO.

P.S. Once a units/groups leadership gets rekt for cheating all credibility is gone. Accept it. That tag is dead.

[bad arcade kitty]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 11:24 AM, said:

Actually we require people to be respectful of other players, to the point we have often stopped winning a match to allow a loosing team to get their respective points in events.

it's silly

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 07 June 2015 - 12:08 PM, said:

228 cleaned out the cheaters themselves and turned them over to PGI. 228th suffered no blowback due to their actions.
66AH did not clean out their ranks of cheaters and PGI stepped in to do so. 66AH is suffering blowback due to their inactions.

you just made me despise 228
not like i liked them before but to betray their unit members to pgi for cheating...

and, wait, this finking is considered as the proper behavior to avoid the public blame? omg

[Bishop Steiner]

bad arcade kitty, on 07 June 2015 - 05:12 PM, said:

it's silly



you just made me despise 228
not like i liked them before but to betray their unit members to pgi for cheating...

and, wait, this finking is considered as the proper behavior to avoid the public blame? omg

Yeah, you cheat, you get burned. Anyone tht would protect a cheater? Should be banned themselves. It's called being complicit.

[AnimosityMonk]

^What he said.

[utontihso]

Animus41

you might rethink that and look outside of MWO forums....... I didn't post there ...... PGI as well as named individuals from PGI have posted in public media. You miss the point that it takes it to a WHOLE new level.

If you publically do this you are accountable .....Personally and as a business.

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

[bad arcade kitty]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 June 2015 - 05:14 PM, said:

Yeah, you cheat, you get burned. Anyone tht would protect a cheater? Should be banned themselves. It's called being complicit.

you are not obliged to turn them over to pgi, it's their job to look after their game, not yours

it's ok to clean cheaters from your unit but it's absolutely not ok to throw your comrades to piranhas i.e. to inform pgi about your unit members

[AnimosityMonk]

utontihso, on 07 June 2015 - 05:16 PM, said:

Animus41

you might rethink that and look outside of MWO forums....... I didn't post there ...... PGI as well as named individuals from PGI have posted in public media. You miss the point that it takes it to a WHOLE new level.

If you publically do this you are accountable .....Personally and as a business.

Utontihso

66AH

mwo2013@comcast.net

So what. Once again they, PGI, can name all the players they banned for cheating. It is their game is it not? So PGI posted to outside media the names of people who cheated in their game. What exactly is your problem with that? You just need to come to the realization that your unit tags are dirty. Move on, play candy crush, read a book. Stop trying to get people to feel outraged along with you because it ain't gonna happen.