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[Ph30nix]

Bilbo, on 11 June 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

It's been so long since I backed SC that I don't even remember exactly what I'm supposed to be getting anymore and I can't be bothered to log on and find out what progress they have or haven't made. I'm still patiently awaiting my single player campaign though.

they have a new game mode you can play, either training missions or you can do a sort of wave survival thing. Its pretty slick

Creovex, on 11 June 2015 - 05:07 PM, said:

Oh I know, just another game that will be always indevelopment.... kinda the new M.O. for online games...

nah, they already have some modules in beta.
I give it a year before they have something playable that is actualy tangiable and they will continue adding things after that.

[1453 R]

Creovex, on 11 June 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

Sorry, I guess by calling some people entitled they felt offended... I would apologize if I wasn't a Libertarian... so suck it up and get off the entitlement kick.

Funny part is that I honestly felt a little bad for being so underwhelmed by the forum badge...up until you started your nasty little campaign here.

Congrats, bro - I no longer feel any remorse whatsoever for holding my opinion. A stupid reason for it, perhaps, but it's a reason nonetheless. Whether or not it's entitlement or simply Piranha underselling their max-tier whales is another argument, but it's not one I'm having with you.

[jlawsl]

Johnny Z, on 11 June 2015 - 12:46 PM, said:

They got every right to complain and then some. Is it justified is the question. Your complaint about their complaint is justified?

I think people have the right to complain about an investment, but after everything that happens in gaming these days, anyone who has some experience should expect disappointment. Almost every single one of these micro/macro(SC) transaction games ends up run of the mill or just a multiplayer version of stuff we already had single player. But I guess people get some kind satisfaction playing against other people in half finishes, unpolished money pits. Not saying that I don't mind paying into a game for a while, but some people do 2-3+ games within a short time, and throw tons of money at it. Then complain when they should know better. Could Star Citizen be a good game? Maybe, but such an investment in menial entertainment is absurd. I wonder how people could throw those amounts of money at one thing in such a short amount of time.

It doesn't matter how much time is invested in the game, you can't make it back unless they have some weird tournament circuit which would be subject to all kinds of legal scrutiny and require you to invest even more time and money into it. For the price that people pay for some SC packages, they could travel to almost anywhere in the world and see something worthwhile. But they pay thousands of dollars at a time to get the privilege of sitting at home, playing an unfinished product that doesn't live up to its original promises.

Its worse then investing in some new car company that offers 600hp, at 150mpg, free wifi, automated everything and the shiniest, prettiest interior/exterior of any car before it. Then you finally get it and its 300hp, gets 50mpg, looks ok and has some stock stuff found in any other luxury car. Is it ok? Yeah. Does it look good? Sure. Is it what was promised? No. Not only that, but they say that you will have to come back every six months for the next 3-5 years to get anywhere near the stuff they promised, and even then, its not what they said it would be. By then, its a used car, its lost its hype and the company is trying to move to their next thing. You may eventually get what you paid for, but by then, no one cares. But, at least a car is useful, a game has no purpose other then entertainment. The sad fact of the matter is, people feel the right and need to complain, even after they invested in multiple failures. That's their stupidity. Personally, I don't see how tons of lawsuits haven't popped up as soon as a game doesn't deliver on its original promised. But I guess that is is the terms and conditions perhaps.

[Creovex]

1453 R, on 11 June 2015 - 05:27 PM, said:

Funny part is that I honestly felt a little bad for being so underwhelmed by the forum badge...up until you started your nasty little campaign here.

Congrats, bro - I no longer feel any remorse whatsoever for holding my opinion. A stupid reason for it, perhaps, but it's a reason nonetheless. Whether or not it's entitlement or simply Piranha underselling their max-tier whales is another argument, but it's not one I'm having with you.

Relax bro, I am trying to take your disappointment seriously here bro but I have to be honest bro, it just isn't happening bro.

Let me answer your question: it's entitlement.

[Rebas Kradd]

The Mechromancer, on 11 June 2015 - 03:47 PM, said:

you do realise that most people understand that game development takes time right?

This is what tips me off as to who's actually got experience following game development and who doesn't. When people gripe about games taking 3-4 years to reach feature complete status, that's someone who hasn't actually followed games, regardless of whatever experience they claim. Because 3-4 years and large stretches of backpedaling and rewriting (see 2013) is perfectly normal for this industry, and any exceptions you can drudge up don't change that.

Edited by Rebas Kradd, 14 June 2015 - 12:00 PM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 June 2015 - 03:01 PM, said:

I would possibly literally die laughing if that occurred.

Even though I have spent ~$200 on SC, I liken it to going to the movies. Get to see some cool ships, play around in my hangar, and watch the whole thing crash and burn. I hope it doesn't, but if it does, I still count it as money well spent.

[sycocys]

I haven't logged on to SC for a bit, but I spent $40 to test it out and the hangar bay with the 2 simulator missions was far more immersive than anything this game has provided up to this point.

No idea if I'll even still be alive by the time they finally release that game, but they actually seem to have a pretty detailed plan for what they are intending to do and sticking to it.

[Sir Wulfrick]

Mystere, on 11 June 2015 - 03:59 PM, said:

I have a brand new Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog that just arrived two days ago. Is Star Citizen worth playing with it today?

If you want to try out simple arena PVP then yes, very much. SP campaign and other goodies are still in development. What I'd wager might suit you better if you're interested in that sort of thing is Digital Combat Simulator which is an ultra-hard-core flight sim.

[Mystere]

Sir Wulfrick, on 15 June 2015 - 06:47 AM, said:

If you want to try out simple arena PVP then yes, very much. SP campaign and other goodies are still in development. What I'd wager might suit you better if you're interested in that sort of thing is Digital Combat Simulator which is an ultra-hard-core flight sim.

Oh! I almost forgot about DCS. Thanks for reminding me.

[MeiSooHaityu]

People tend to really back Star Citizen because... it's Chris Roberts making the game!

Yea, know what else Chris Roberts was good for? The Wing Commander movie. He didn't even know how his character's names were spelled! I think he even got the nationality of one wrong.

Either he was too lazy to properly adapt his characters or he really had no clue about his own game. In either case, that makes idolizing Chris Roberts a bit silly to me. I can understand Hollywood meddling with scripts and actor choices, but if you can't remember how to spell your own character's names, thats just shotty work.

I'm not saying Star Citizen will flop or be bad (with the amount of money it generated, it should be at the least decent), I'm just saying that the name Chris Roberts carried no weight with me after his abysmal work on that **** of a movie.

[Sir Wulfrick]

Mystere, on 15 June 2015 - 06:52 AM, said:

Oh! I almost forgot about DCS. Thanks for reminding me.

No problem. It's very much the sort of game where you have to digest the 800-page manual if you even want to be able to start up your aircraft but if that's the level of detail you like in flight sims then there really isn't anything else that even comes close to it, unless you're in to WW2 games where I'd suggest IL-2 Cliffs of Dover with the Team Fusion patches. Both great games.

MeiSooHaityu, on 15 June 2015 - 06:52 AM, said:

People tend to really back Star Citizen because... it's Chris Roberts making the game!

Yea, know what else Chris Roberts was good for? The Wing Commander movie. He didn't even know how his character's names were spelled! I think he even got the nationality of one wrong.

Either he was too lazy to properly adapt his characters or he really had no clue about his own game. In either case, that makes idolizing Chris Roberts a bit silly to me. I can understand Hollywood meddling with scripts and actor choices, but if you can't remember how to spell your own character's names, thats just shotty work.

I'm not saying Star Citizen will flop or be bad (with the amount of money it generated, it should be at the least decent), I'm just saying that the name Chris Roberts carried no weight with me after his abysmal work on that **** of a movie.

Movie wasn't all bad. They just couldn't afford enough quality actors to play the lead roles, with the notable exception of David Suchet...

Er, what the hell happened there??? Didn't press multi-quote...

Edited by Sir Wulfrick, 15 June 2015 - 06:58 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

cdlord, on 11 June 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

2nd Life in Space!

So Star citizen is going to be a game of Sex in space ? I thought it was about space ships that sit in hangers that guys get excited about in certain ways, yeah o.k its Second life in space

[C E Dwyer]

MeiSooHaityu, on 15 June 2015 - 06:52 AM, said:

People tend to really back Star Citizen because... it's Chris Roberts making the game!

Yea, know what else Chris Roberts was good for? The Wing Commander movie. He didn't even know how his character's names were spelled! I think he even got the nationality of one wrong.

Either he was too lazy to properly adapt his characters or he really had no clue about his own game. In either case, that makes idolizing Chris Roberts a bit silly to me. I can understand Hollywood meddling with scripts and actor choices, but if you can't remember how to spell your own character's names, thats just shotty work.

I'm not saying Star Citizen will flop or be bad (with the amount of money it generated, it should be at the least decent), I'm just saying that the name Chris Roberts carried no weight with me after his abysmal work on that **** of a movie.

I can see Mr Roberts having to live on an island with major security starting off with hungry sharks if it is only average.

[Tiamat of the Sea]

Cathy, on 15 June 2015 - 07:41 AM, said:

So Star citizen is going to be a game of Sex in space ? I thought it was about space ships that sit in hangers that guys get excited about in certain ways, yeah o.k its Second life in space

Thank you, Cathy, I needed that giggle.

[Abisha]

many people make one hugh mistake when it comes to videogames, or software in general.

software is limited, not only hardware limited but also limited by general Math (unless it's written on quantum based)
the general level of Witcher 3, dragon age inquisition is the maximum technological limit computers can give.
anyone or company claiming above this level is lying with full knowledge he is telling ********.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Sir Wulfrick, on 15 June 2015 - 06:57 AM, said:

Movie wasn't all bad...

If you played the games (especially the FMV titles like Wing Commander III and IV), you would actually be watching a far better Wing Commander movie than that trash. Heck, even WC: Prophecy was decent.

As for actors, Freddie Prinz Jr. And Mathew Lillard were crap choices for acting, but I suppose that was more due to the time the movie was made in.

Heck, the games had good actors and I'm sure the game had less of a budget for actors. Check out Wing Commander III's cast, its pretty good (Mark Hamill, John Rhys-Daves, Malcolm McDowell, etc...)

Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger
http://imdb.com/rg/a...itle/tt0111727/

Actually the real problem was the script (which Chris Roberts is credited for on IMDB). It had NOTHING to do with Wing Commander and I actually believe it was a generic Sci Fi movie they slapped the WC license too and tried to pass it off as a WC movie.

Again, I think Chris Roberts was a lazy cash grabber on that movie, and I can't see why Star Citizen would necessarily be any different. For it's budget it should be amazing, in reality it will be OK and the real credit for the game will go to it's programmers and not Chris Roberts. Heck, his real involvement is probably doing interviews to promote the game and that's about it.

[Heffay]

I've spent about $400 on Star Citizen and made about $600 on it. And I still have a Ghost Hornet sitting in my hangar waiting for the PU which I probably won't participate in, because who has time for both a life and an MMO?

I figure regardless of how Star Citizen turns out, it's been worth it to me.

[Almond Brown]

MechaBattler, on 11 June 2015 - 05:18 PM, said:

That's why I don't buy the mech packs in pre-order. The little goodies are nice and all. I prefer to actually get something in return when I put up money.

Hell. I bought Ark Survival Evolved. It didn't run well enough. I got a refund within 2 days. Even though they say they'll optimize it. I'll buy it again, when I see the proof of that. It does look like a fun game. But I'm not paying for hopes and dreams.

That's my gripe with Star Citizen. It's hopes and dreams. And people tout it like it's the greatest non-existent thing ever. And some people use it as a put down for MWO. Meanwhile. People have been actually playing this game together and having fun.

For 2+ years no less.

[Almond Brown]

Cathy, on 15 June 2015 - 07:44 AM, said:

I can see Mr Roberts having to live on an island with major security starting off with hungry sharks if it is only average.

Now that would be rather "ironic". Both MWO and SC Dev's having intimate knowledge of "Island" living arrangements. LOL! "On an island!". Sound at all familiar...

[DAYLEET]

Alistair Winter, on 11 June 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

Now you've gone and picked the worst possible example to make MWO good.

EDIT: Just to clarify, comparing MWO to Star Citizen doesn't really put MWO in a good light.

You can't even compare SC to Elite Dangerous as far as im concerned, same genre, 2 different game.