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[Quaamik]

OldOrgandonor, on 14 June 2015 - 06:02 AM, said:

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I think we're talking about two different things here;

1) Winning the Match

2) Making the 30 pt minimum match score to "win" a prize.

Winning matches... yeah, well it can really be a crap shoot in pugs. ............

Making the 30 pt minimum for the prize in this contest. ......... if you can get a kill and 300 damage with your Dragon in a "terrible" match, why aren't you using the Dragon?

That's why I think people are crying in this contest.

People who REALLY want the prizes are brining their best mechs, their personal favorites and meta builds, to do as much damage as possible. Those that are having issues (myself included for much of yesterday) are just playing the game. In my case, trying to level up 4 new mechs and finding a decent build for each. I was trying (among other things) to get the hang of the MDD-C with its dual gauss, playing with swapping tem for ACs or Ultra ACs. My match score dramaticly improved, as did my ease of play, when got fed up, reconfigured to dual CERPPCs, and easily made score every game.

[Unnatural Growth]

Quaamik, on 14 June 2015 - 06:48 AM, said:

That's why I think people are crying in this contest.

People who REALLY want the prizes are brining their best mechs, their personal favorites and meta builds, to do as much damage as possible. Those that are having issues (myself included for much of yesterday) are just playing the game. In my case, trying to level up 4 new mechs and finding a decent build for each.

I hear what you're saying. But I've been playing my Kit Fox, and a new Nova-B that I bought on Friday and just now finished unlocking the basics on. And yeah, I've been jumping around to different mechs as well. I basic'd up my new 0X Cataphract that ilikerice gifted to me as well and my 'hawk 5M that I never got around to finishing master on.

I just don't think the 30 pts is that hard to get. Sure I screw up in matches, and fairly regularly too, but I can usually see where I went wrong, and say to myself, "Ah man, wth did you do that for?" And if it's a minor mistake, maybe it didn't kill me, but usually once I'm in for a penny, I'm in for a pound, and there's no turning back at that point. You just suck it up and take the whuppin'.

And on to the next match.

[ArchAngelWC]

Joseph Mallan, on 14 June 2015 - 04:14 AM, said:

800 damage is not enough to kill 12 Mechs though.

headshots

[Mystere]

Dashen, on 14 June 2015 - 04:26 AM, said:

I agree, but you're not required to kill 12 mechs on your own, however 800 dmg on a CT is a lot of kills ...

Imagine how many more kills 800 damage can do if those were all directed at the back.

[Mcgral18]

Quaamik, on 14 June 2015 - 06:41 AM, said:

You might want to actually look at stats.

Most people over report their average score when asked about it. When you look at the stats for a given mech (total damage done divided by number of matches played) you get a much better picture.

I did that from a thread that came up yesterday. I was surprised at the results. I have some mechs that AVERAGE less than 300 a match. Others that average close to 400. And yet my K/D ratio hovers around 1.0 overall (I have too many games under my belt to easily change it).

Human nature is to forget the bad drops you had and remember the glorious ones. You know, the one where you scored 1200 points for a match score of 150. You forget the ones where you got caught by a dual gauss sniper, or were narced and swarmed by 150 LRM missile flights when you first poked out and died with under 50 damage dealt.

I did; the two mechs I use the most, with 500 and 900 matches, have a average damage of just under 600.


It's the new robots that tend to do poorly because they are 10% slower, 20% hotter, half as agile, etc...
Put a new pilot behind those, and you get Bad.

[crashlogic]

hmm 3 pages of text and basically it boils down to macros are cheating

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

I cant believe this communits is that elitist and ignorant towards newbees. It took me a few months before i could sort out this game in a general manner. And it took me 6 months before i felt now i can compete with ppl who played even mw2 back in the days.


800 is new and all he heard is that he is a noob, he is an idot, he is the problem and so on. He is signed up since a months and its not his fault that mwo Matchmaker is completely broken. ITs broken because it kinda uses newbees as a cannon fudder for the experienced players.


While Pgi uses word for some mode "hardcore" it doesnt wonder me that major of community behave dicky to the Op as a newbee.

This game will land on its belly when steamsale appears because newplayers wil hate this game and its matchmaker. And all they gonna hear on the forum is that its their own fault.




This community is realy special.


Edit: 800 feel free to add me up. i ll drop with you a few matches and perheps can help you a little bit

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 14 June 2015 - 11:10 AM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

800, on 13 June 2015 - 03:12 PM, said:

This day was utterly dissapointing, teams I've been in were obliterated, often even 12-0. There's no shelter, no escape, only despair. All of this happenned because of one, single sentence in the event page, here it is:


Ofcourse pugstompers themselves will consider this as antoher rage post, however I can assure you it isn't even though I'm furious and would like that pugstompers would get the hell out of this planet, apparently it isn't under my jurisdiction.

What I am trying to show is the scale of pubstomping since event began, like it wasn't enough pre-event it became much, MUCH worse, that much worse than any entertainment in the game is absolutely gone and what remains is fear of future " what will happen in another match? another pugstomp group?! how will I do the event then, what can I do?!".The situation is critical and must be dealt with immediatly.

Just in order to get a sense how appalling current situation is, my match results, bear in mind that I've been one of the people in my team which was on the higher end of point collection, I can't even imagine the dreadful situation of those guys which manage to hop over 30 pts just like one in ten matches, would fully understand them if they'd ragequit game forever:



Concerning title of the topic, take a look at what Wikipedia consider as global issues of 21st century: http://i.imgur.com/mP9fyo9.png

One simple thing breaks your "pubstomp" argument.

Groups are relegated to the "Group" que, and in no way interact with the "Solo" que.

Meaning if you're playing solo, YOU NEVER FACE A SINGLE GROUP OF PLAYERS.

now if you're playing in small groups of 2+... then I dunno what to tell you. Maybe play solo for events, or hop on your alliance TS and group up with more players? Use the LFG function? I dunno.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Flash Frame, on 14 June 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

One simple thing breaks your "pubstomp" argument.

Groups are relegated to the "Group" que, and in no way interact with the "Solo" que.

Meaning if you're playing solo, YOU NEVER FACE A SINGLE GROUP OF PLAYERS.

now if you're playing in small groups of 2+... then I dunno what to tell you. Maybe play solo for events, or hop on your alliance TS and group up with more players? Use the LFG function? I dunno.

That's outright false. Synch drops happen in Solo Regularly. Factions sponsor solo drop TS channels still. My team ran synchs for the month of December. The more you drop with the easier it is. Thousands of pugs saw it because we announced it every match. So please stop with the outright lies/myths.

[Joseph Mallan]

Dashen, on 14 June 2015 - 04:26 AM, said:

I agree, but you're not required to kill 12 mechs on your own, however 800 dmg on a CT is a lot of kills,that you wont be able to do, but still, theoretically speaking it's more help to your team which has number advantage, so easier flanking, less fire and so forth.

However especially now people are mounting lrms, srms and anything that does tons of useless dmg. The result is that you're not winning because a direwolf with everything yellow is still fully operational.

Actually it depends on teh Mechs you are hunting. 800 damage is 8 Atlases. And you are not likely to be putting all your damage CT. So no, 800 damage is not enough to win. And damage done is not useless. If you are following simple rules of combat. Like over lapping fields of fire so more than one player is shooting an enemy killing it faster. But everyone tries to play this like its a one on one game and thats why there are so many lopsided losses. IF everyone did their part against 12 Atlases, the average damage per player would be 600ish. And that is shooting off every single point of armor. But since we don't have 12 Atlas per team 300 damage per player would likely be enough. So your 800 damage is only enough to carry for 2.5 players, You and 1.5 other team mates. You are not doing as good as you think you are, better than most, but you don't win by yourself. and worrying about YOUR kills, and YOUR Income is the reason nobody playes like a team.

The Best team wins.

[Dashen]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 June 2015 - 03:02 AM, said:

Actually it depends on teh Mechs you are hunting. 800 damage is 8 Atlases. And you are not likely to be putting all your damage CT. So no, 800 damage is not enough to win. And damage done is not useless. If you are following simple rules of combat. Like over lapping fields of fire so more than one player is shooting an enemy killing it faster. But everyone tries to play this like its a one on one game and thats why there are so many lopsided losses. IF everyone did their part against 12 Atlases, the average damage per player would be 600ish. And that is shooting off every single point of armor. But since we don't have 12 Atlas per team 300 damage per player would likely be enough. So your 800 damage is only enough to carry for 2.5 players, You and 1.5 other team mates. You are not doing as good as you think you are, better than most, but you don't win by yourself. and worrying about YOUR kills, and YOUR Income is the reason nobody playes like a team.

The Best team wins.

I'm pretty sure 800 dmg are NOT 8 atlases, armor+structure on their CT is much more than 100.

I agree on the rest, this game is a free for all.

Plus looking at damage to guess your effficiency is pretty much situational, doing 800 dmg with lasers and AC is very different from doing 800 dmg with srms and lrms, reasons are the spread and the inability to focus damage.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

EgoSlayer, on 13 June 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

Um pugstomping by groups isn't happening in Assault, Conquest, or Skirmish. Solo queue and group queue are indeed completely separate already, nothing has changed.

If you're playing solo queue you are only matched against other people in the solo queue, and stomps happen because of the combat loss grouping effect, not because groups are playing solos.

Unless you are talking about CW, in which case there is only one queue and it is groups vs solos.

golden label here.

[Joseph Mallan]

Dashen, on 15 June 2015 - 05:38 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure 800 dmg are NOT 8 atlases, armor+structure on their CT is much more than 100.

I agree on the rest, this game is a free for all.

Plus looking at damage to guess your effficiency is pretty much situational, doing 800 dmg with lasers and AC is very different from doing 800 dmg with srms and lrms, reasons are the spread and the inability to focus damage.

Yup I did gloss over CT structure.

Mudhutwarrior, on 15 June 2015 - 02:08 AM, said:

That's outright false. Synch drops happen in Solo Regularly. Factions sponsor solo drop TS channels still. My team ran synchs for the month of December. The more you drop with the easier it is. Thousands of pugs saw it because we announced it every match. So please stop with the outright lies/myths.

6 Months ago! Also, I'm still not caring. The best team wins. And many solo players just cannot accept that fact.

[Nightmare1]

Huh...only one of my games hasn't qualified (bad ROFLstomp while I ran an unleveled, experimental Mech). Match scores of 30 are pretty easy to get you know; I'd have to say that this sounds more like a personal problem than a "Global Threat."

[Mudhutwarrior]

Joseph Mallan, on 15 June 2015 - 08:26 AM, said:

6 Months ago! Also, I'm still not caring. The best team wins. And many solo players just cannot accept that fact.

What change did they announce in the past six month to prevent synch drops?

What faction posted they were not sponsoring synch drop channels anymore?

Yep, None.

Spread this instead because that's what these didn't happen can't happen posts look like....

http://www.ourbestbi.../11/Nutella.jpg

Edited by Mudhutwarrior, 15 June 2015 - 11:19 AM.