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[Speedy Plysitkos]

Let me say. Im playing 2+ months, and yesterday (oh yes firstly) i saw (spectate) 2 guys firing in a mode , that isnt in human hands.

1) Some DW, with 6x AC2 (he has mapped each for different button, like 1,2,3,4,5,6
he fired in constant spacing between each shot. Liek chainfire, but chainfire would be under all "1" lets say. not 1,2,3,4,5,6. the firing mode was definetly faster then regular chain fire.

2) some SCR with 3 LL. normal chain would do, fire 1st laser, wait till ends, fire 2nd laser, wait till beam ends, then fire 3rd.
Not here.
it was like, starting fire 1st, then starting fire 2nd, then starting fire 3rd, in extremely short period of time.
ofc shooting all together would create more heat.


So are macros officialy allowed ? Cause for mne, its seems an advantage over regular "hand" players.

[MechWarrior849305]

PGI has stated loooong before that yes, macros are allowed. Yet many people treat macros as cheats. Noone cares anyway.

[Curccu]

1) No gain in this, except it sounds cool.

2) can be done without macros with few weapon groups

3) Yes they are allowed.. no macro gives you any real edge over player that doesn't use them.

[Sjorpha]

Macros are allowed.

IMO the inability to chainfire at maximum rate without a macro is a flaw in the game, it should absolutely be possible to chainfire ACs properly without a macro. I use macros for AC builds, maxing out the dakka is the whole point for me so macro is the only option there.

For the lasers you don't need a macro to do that, you can just tap the chainfired weapon group to start the next laser when you want to.

Edited by Sjorpha, 15 June 2015 - 05:04 AM.

[Athalus]

Titannium, on 15 June 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

2) some SCR with 3 LL. normal chain would do, fire 1st laser, wait till ends, fire 2nd laser, wait till beam ends, then fire 3rd.
Not here.
it was like, starting fire 1st, then starting fire 2nd, then starting fire 3rd, in extremely short period of time.
ofc shooting all together would create more heat.

As far as I'm aware, you don't need macro's for this. Just pull the trigger multiple times instead of holding the button down and you'll fire faster then the usual 0,5 sec delay!

...Like Sjorpha pointed out before me

Edited by Athalus, 15 June 2015 - 05:09 AM.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

ok, but normaly you wouldnt tap 123456 within one seconds, and repeat it 15 times in a row.....

[MoonUnitBeta]

Titannium, on 15 June 2015 - 05:03 AM, said:

ok, but normaly you wouldnt tap 123456 within one seconds, and repeat it 15 times in a row.....

That's ok.
Like someone has mentioned, you can do something similar with chainfiring multiple weapon groups.
Someithng like this:
AC2 : G1........G5
AC2 : G1......G4
AC2 : ..G2......G5
AC2 : ..G2....G4
AC2 : ....G3....G5
AC2 : ....G3..G4

So two in group 1, two in group 2, two in group 3, and chain fire three in group 4 and three in goup 5.
Fire group 1, 2, 3, then hold down 4 and 5... or all the buttons if you want to go ballistic (hahaha)
With a lot of mouse buttons you can make some wonderful patterns.

Staggering them isn't very effective by the way unless it's on people who can't handle screen shake.
If I had 6 AC2's, my preferance has always been putting 3 in Group1, 3 in Group 2, and Group 3 has all of them Chainfire for heat management.

People are getting better at dealing with screen shake as It doesn't affect your reticle. Only MASC and JJ do that.

Edited by MoonUnitBeta, 15 June 2015 - 07:59 AM.

[Skarlock]

This is the official PGI stance on macros.

Taken from the official rules post at:

http://mwomercs.com/...wo-game-client/

Q: My mouse/keyboard came with macro software that lets me emulate a series of clicks or helps me with some process. Is this allowed?

A: Yes, using macros as provided by 3rd party hardware vendors is allowed. Though the use of any modifications to assist with aiming, aimbots, wall hacks, or any attempt to give information or tactical assistance that other players would not have by default, is a serious violation of our Terms of Use and any account found to be using such software will likely be suspended or banned.

Edited by Skarlock, 15 June 2015 - 07:53 AM.

[Sarlic]

I have no sympathy for people using macs. I can understand hardware keyboards (Most for MMO numbers of attacks), mouses etc fine, but mac and software: no.

I am doing oldskool. Numbers on my keyboard 1,2,3,4,5,6 and or around the WSAD keys.

And i still wreck faces.

Edited by Sarlic, 15 June 2015 - 08:04 AM.

[KHETTI]

@OP, it is possible to chain fire AC's really fast manually without a macro, it requires a bit of effort and practice to nail down tho.
Using a macro to achive the same effect is basically a low level cheat as far as i'm concerned, if you can't do it manually, then you should not be able to do it.

[Templar Dane]

KHETTI, on 15 June 2015 - 08:38 AM, said:

@OP, it is possible to chain fire AC's really fast manually without a macro, it requires a bit of effort and practice to nail down tho.
Using a macro to achive the same effect is basically a low level cheat as far as i'm concerned, if you can't do it manually, then you should not be able to do it.

As far as PGI is concerned it isn't a cheat.

They don't let you fire faster, all it changes is the pattern.

[Revis Volek]

Titannium, on 15 June 2015 - 05:03 AM, said:

ok, but normaly you wouldnt tap 123456 within one seconds, and repeat it 15 times in a row.....

You cannot see his firing groups, PGI might show you the loadout but not how he is firing them. Even though "you saw the numbers" that is false and incorrect information so disregard it.

And yes Macros are allowed.

[EgoSlayer]

Titannium, on 15 June 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

Let me say. Im playing 2+ months, and yesterday (oh yes firstly) i saw (spectate) 2 guys firing in a mode , that isnt in human hands.

1) Some DW, with 6x AC2 (he has mapped each for different button, like 1,2,3,4,5,6
he fired in constant spacing between each shot. Liek chainfire, but chainfire would be under all "1" lets say. not 1,2,3,4,5,6. the firing mode was definetly faster then regular chain fire.

2) some SCR with 3 LL. normal chain would do, fire 1st laser, wait till ends, fire 2nd laser, wait till beam ends, then fire 3rd.
Not here.
it was like, starting fire 1st, then starting fire 2nd, then starting fire 3rd, in extremely short period of time.
ofc shooting all together would create more heat.


So are macros officialy allowed ? Cause for mne, its seems an advantage over regular "hand" players.

As has been mentioned, macros are allowed. But all the things you saw can be done without macros. When you spectate you are not seeing that player's weapon groups you are seeing your weapon groups for that mech or the stock weapon groups if you have never played that mech, So you can't make any judgements on how they have their weapons organized.

So the Hex Ac2 DW could have had three groups of 2 ACs on Mouse buttons 1, 2 and 3 and just held all three down. Many people do this, two left arm ACs on LMB, two right arm AC2 on RMB, and torso ACs on MB3. And each group could be chain fire. This way you can peak and only fire the left/right arm that is clear, aim up/down with the arms and fire them only, or if in the open unload everything.

EDIT: Nija'ed by DarthRevis

Edited by EgoSlayer, 15 June 2015 - 09:22 AM.

[Mystere]

Sarlic, on 15 June 2015 - 07:52 AM, said:

I have no sympathy for people using macs.

Trust me when I say: "We do not need your sympathy".

To the OP:

How else am I supposed to reliably simulate dual six-barreled Gatling guns in my 12-laser nova, make those same 12-lasers perfectly follow a beat, or fire an erratic and random pattern on the enemies' faces to annoy them?

Edited by Mystere, 15 June 2015 - 09:26 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Macros are as lame as the people who use them. Who cares if they are allowed. If you can't do it with the game mechanics as they are you looking to out perform another player without having to work for it.

Of course such people could never understand these things. I always think of the 14 year old playing monopoly with his little sister and palming cash under the table.

Yep, such a badass.

[Dino Might]

Mudhutwarrior, on 15 June 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

Macros are as lame as the people who use them. Who cares if they are allowed. If you can't do it with the game mechanics as they are you looking to out perform another player without having to work for it.

Of course such people could never understand these things. I always think of the 14 year old playing monopoly with his little sister and palming cash under the table.

Yep, such a badass.

I also think anyone not using a joystick, but rather the much easier to aim mouse, is a total cheat and should be banished from the game. In fact, only steering wheels, gas pedals, and joystick should be allowed. Anyone on keyboard/mouse is looking to outperform the players using the aforementioned setup. And don't get me started on anyone with a rig running more than 15 fps...

By the way - this is how you use macros:

[Bobzilla]

They do give a slight edge, regardless of it being possible without them. It's a computer reflex vs a human one for max DPS. Barely noticeable. And limiting how many tasks the brain has to do as to focus on other things. Still really small difference.

Groups should have in game macros to them tho, lots of fun things you can do with groups of groups.

[Moomtazz]

Some can give an edge, and they are generally regarded as cheats in other games. If it is available to all then it's fair, aside from the fact that some people may write better macros than others, or many players do not get on the forums to find macros that people post. Where do you draw the line with that though...faster processors unfair, etc?

I'd use one for multiple AC fire if that was my thing, if just to avoid carpal tunnel syndrome.

[Mystere]

Moomtazz, on 15 June 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

I'd use one for multiple AC fire if that was my thing, if just to avoid carpal tunnel syndrome.

That is always a good reason.

[Mcgral18]

Bobzilla, on 15 June 2015 - 10:07 AM, said:

They do give a slight edge, regardless of it being possible without them. It's a computer reflex vs a human one for max DPS. Barely noticeable. And limiting how many tasks the brain has to do as to focus on other things. Still really small difference.

Groups should have in game macros to them tho, lots of fun things you can do with groups of groups.

No, they would have identical, or worse DPS than someone using group fire. Unless you're using it to avoid ghost heat, there's generally no benefit to a macro.

ACs fall under that, at least. Gauss might be the only one that benefits, set it to something like 0.78 to never miss the charge.

Still, easily done manually. I only use one for hexa AC2 trolling.