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[Hit the Deck]

Hey, we'll get the Arctic Cheetah on July 21st so let's theorycraft some possible builds!

For starters, it has around 8 tons of pod space with maximum armor and here are the maximum hardpoint combinations you can get:

• Head: none, ZERO available slot
  
• Right Arm: 1E+1M, 1E+1B, 2E, 8 slots w/o actuators
  
• Right Torso: 1E+1AMS, 4 slots
  
• Center Torso: none, ZERO available slots
  
• Left Torso: 1E+ECM, 2E, 5 slots
  
• Left Arm: 1E+1M, 2E, 8 slots w/o actuators
  
• Right & Left Legs: none, ZERO available slot

Total possible combos with ECM:

• Energy only: 6E
  
• Missiles + Energy: 2M+4E or 1M+5E
  
• Ballistic + Energy: 1B+5E
  
• Ballistics + Energy + Missiles: 1B+4E+1M

For non ECM versions just add 1E more.


Now, the possible builds:

"Fire Cheetah":

• 6x cSPL on RA, RT, LT, and LA (6 tons)
  
• cECM on LT (1 ton)
  
• Total = 7 tons

"Arctic Raven":

• 2x cSRM6 on RA, LA + 2 tons of ammo (5 tons)
  
• 2x cERML on RT, LT (2 tons)
  
• cECM on LT (1 ton)
  
• Total = 8 tons

"CW Approved"

• 1x cERLL on RT (4 tons)
  
• 2x cERML on RA (2 tons)
  
• cECM on LT (1 ton)
  
• Total = 7 tons

There are still more possible builds and not to mention the ECM-less ones but I'll stop here

IraqiWalker, on 19 June 2015 - 01:52 AM, said:

2xSSRM4s+2tons ammo, + 2ERMLs = 8 tons. Not a big threat to big mechs, but a real pain to the smaller ones.

dragnier1, on 19 June 2015 - 10:28 PM, said:

I think it might be likely that the Arctic Cheetah is seen as only a slightly better version of the Mist Lynx. Speed and pod space of an Ice Ferret but can't use them all just like the Mist Lynx.

ACH-A :
2 SSrm 4 with 2 tons ammo
2 erML / 2 erSL + probe / 2 SPL
Full armour

ACH-C :
7 SPL
Full armour + dhs

ACH-Prime : *swap left torso with B
2 SRM 4 + 2 tons ammo
3 erML
Dhs + full armour

ACH-B : *swap left torso with Prime
1 erLL
3 erML / 3 SPL or dhs + 2 erML / 2 SPL
Ecm with full armour

*Disclaimer - theory crafting only!*

Tim East, on 23 June 2015 - 07:42 AM, said:

You could always treat it as an Adder with ECM.

ERPPC + ECM + DHS, and it lets you have a shield side, though you can only fit one.

Ultra 2 + ECM + 1-1.5t ammo + ERSLs. Difficult to squeeze in sufficient ammo to do much though.

Troll build of 4 flamers, a MG, and an ERLL.

Not enough pod space to use much besides missiles and lasers, for the most part.

Marc von der Heide, on 23 June 2015 - 08:05 AM, said:

Nice ideas.

My ideas so far: All with ECM

For attack
2 SRM6 3t ammo 4 ER Small
6 SMPL 2 DHS

Vs light
2 SSRM4 2t Ammo 4 ER Small

defence
2 LRM5 2t Ammo 4 ER Med

KalTorak18, on 23 June 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

8 tons of space? Sounds like 1 ERPPC + ECM to me. It worked really really well for me w/ the Mist Lynx.

Edited by Hit the Deck, 23 June 2015 - 09:09 AM.

[IraqiWalker]

You haven't made any with streaks? ECM+streaks makes for a mean light killer. Most of us have been waiting for it to show up, and kill the IS lights. With excessive employment of Streak 4s to enemy mechs. The 6 ERSPL/6ERML set up with ECM is gonna be my favorite probably.

[Hit the Deck]

IraqiWalker, on 19 June 2015 - 01:23 AM, said:

You haven't made any with streaks? ECM+streaks makes for a mean light killer. Most of us have been waiting for it to show up, and kill the IS lights. With excessive employment of Streak 4s to enemy mechs. The 6 ERSPL/6ERML set up with ECM is gonna be my favorite probably.

Well, you could certainly make one if you like and post it here. Be warned though, that it only has 2M hardpoints

I think ACH could potentially run hot because the available pod space is barely enough to put weapons.

[IraqiWalker]

Hit the Deck, on 19 June 2015 - 01:32 AM, said:

Well, you could certainly make one if you like and post it here. Be warned though, that it only has 2M hardpoints

I think ACH could potentially run hot because the available pod space is barely enough to put weapons.

2xSSRM4s+2tons ammo, + 2ERMLs = 8 tons. Not a big threat to big mechs, but a real pain to the smaller ones.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 19 June 2015 - 01:52 AM.

[dragnier1]

I think it might be likely that the Arctic Cheetah is seen as only a slightly better version of the Mist Lynx. Speed and pod space of an Ice Ferret but can't use them all just like the Mist Lynx.

ACH-A :

2 SSrm 4 with 2 tons ammo
2 erML / 2 erSL + probe / 2 SPL
Full armour


ACH-C :

7 SPL
Full armour + dhs


ACH-Prime : *swap left torso with B

2 SRM 4 + 2 tons ammo
3 erML
Dhs + full armour

ACH-B : *swap left torso with Prime

1 erLL
3 erML / 3 SPL or dhs + 2 erML / 2 SPL
Ecm with full armour

*Disclaimer - theory crafting only!*

Edited by dragnier1, 19 June 2015 - 10:33 PM.

[Tim East]

You could always treat it as an Adder with ECM.

ERPPC + ECM + DHS, and it lets you have a shield side, though you can only fit one.

Ultra 2 + ECM + 1-1.5t ammo + ERSLs. Difficult to squeeze in sufficient ammo to do much though.

Troll build of 4 flamers, a MG, and an ERLL.

Not enough pod space to use much besides missiles and lasers, for the most part.

[Kinski Orlawisch]

Nice ideas.

My ideas so far: All with ECM

For attack
2 SRM6 3t ammo 4 ER Small
6 SMPL 2 DHS

Vs light
2 SSRM4 2t Ammo 4 ER Small

defence
2 LRM5 2t Ammo 4 ER Med

[KalTorak18]

8 tons of space? Sounds like 1 ERPPC + ECM to me. It worked really really well for me w/ the Mist Lynx.

[TercieI]

KalTorak18, on 23 June 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

8 tons of space? Sounds like 1 ERPPC + ECM to me. It worked really really well for me w/ the Mist Lynx.

What a waste. That's the kind of build you put on mechs that are hardpoint constrained or otherwise limited. Even a few medium lasers is more versatile.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Terciel1976, on 23 June 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

What a waste. That's the kind of build you put on mechs that are hardpoint constrained or otherwise limited. Even a few medium lasers is more versatile.

that depends, i had a few matches on heleborne with my ecm+er ppc spider where i could troll and annoy the hell out of the enemy for 20+ minutes.

[KalTorak18]

Terciel1976, on 23 June 2015 - 09:33 AM, said:

What a waste. That's the kind of build you put on mechs that are hardpoint constrained or otherwise limited. Even a few medium lasers is more versatile.

I find it funny that your only post in this thread is to disagree with me. You play the less-giant stompy robots how you'd like, and I'll play the less-giant stompy robots the way I want.

Besides, that's the configuration I got my first Ace of Spades with:

Edited by KalTorak18, 23 June 2015 - 05:53 PM.

[TercieI]

KalTorak18, on 23 June 2015 - 05:53 PM, said:

I find it funny that your only post in this thread is to disagree with me. You play the less-giant stompy robots how you'd like, and I'll play the less-giant stompy robots the way I want.

Besides, that's the configuration I got my first Ace of Spades with:

Well, I generally don't go in too much for theorycrafting until I can Smurfy and drive a mech. And that's a workable build on a MLX...which is a meh mech with limited options. The ACH should be an excellent light mech, so a 10(15) point alpha with heat issues seems like a waste to me. As you say, you play how you like. <shrug>

[dragnier1]

KalTorak18, on 23 June 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

8 tons of space? Sounds like 1 ERPPC + ECM to me. It worked really really well for me w/ the Mist Lynx.

Might be workable, but if you already have that on your Mist Lynx why make the exact same build for the Arctic Cheetah? No difference from having the exact same 2 Mist Lynx.

Edited by dragnier1, 26 June 2015 - 05:11 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

So... now that it's out in the open, post your builds people!

[DONTOR]

1 CERPPC+ECM and add in 2 CERSLs and its atleast got some cooler backup weapons.

[Shadey99]

I've been playing with:

• ACH-PRIME
  
• ACH-A
  
• ACH-B

Dropping the useless LRMs which had way to little ammo for MWO anyways on the Prime. Replaced with SRM4s and has quad SPLs for backup/added punch. First match I had in it was Caustic and I did 400 damage, got 2 kills, and the second highest matchscore. Not bad for not having any basics...

The A does much the same thing as the Prime, dropping the useless streaks (to much ECM from the enemy to use it) for standard SRM6s instead. You could opt to drop a ton of ammo for a third laser.

I found the ballistics hardpoint rather useless, other ACHs and Shadowkittens simply rush formations and they are hard to focus up close and personal. Instead I used the 2E arm on the B for a 5 SPL build with extra DHS...

I missed the bonus mechs by a day, so no 6 energy hardpoints for me... yet..

Btw, The ACH is at least as durable as the FS. So no reason not to get in the enemies face...

Edited by Shadey99, 21 July 2015 - 08:24 PM.

[DONTOR]

I will be running two versions both of which will have 2 ERMLs in the high side torso mounts and ECM on both aswell.

The first will have an additional 2 ERSLs and 2 SRM4s in each arm with 2 tons of ammo. Basically a jumping more heavily armed, and armored Commando!

The second will have an additional 4 CERSLs + 2 DHS and a T COMP 1.

I just cannot wait to be critically damaged all over but still poking people with 2 CERMLs, all while 95% of my mech is hidden.

Edited by DONTOR, 21 July 2015 - 02:38 PM.

[IraqiWalker]

Hit the Deck, on 21 July 2015 - 01:48 PM, said:

So... now that it's out in the open, post your builds people!

Haven't piloted them yet, but I've set them up as such:

Prime: ECM + 2xSRM4s + 2xtons ammo + 2xERMLs + 2xERSLs
A: 2x Streak 4s + CAP, rest is ammo
B: 1xUAC2 + 1xton ammo + 2xERMLs

I like running my mechs close to stock configs for a while, especially the omnis, before I start swapping pods around.

[NUJRSYDEVIL]

Just ran this in CW with success, good support player.

2 LRM5
2 ERSL
C-TAG
ECM

Also this works too

2 MPL
2 SPL
ECM

[Shadey99]

After more testing I switched my second design to this ACH-A build. 4xERSL backing up the dual SRM6s. Reduction to the range compared to the ERMLs, but the same heat, slightly faster cooldown, and more damage.Since the whole idea is to get up close and personal, it made sense to go with the trade-off.

Edited by Shadey99, 21 July 2015 - 08:23 PM.