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#221 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:12 AM

View PostQuantumButler, on 27 June 2015 - 03:06 AM, said:

It is, it makes the games over too quickly and lopsidedly favors energy weapons because of abysmal ammo counts per ton.

By all means keep it for CW, but not in thee normal queue,

Really Quantum? I have played ammo dependent weapons forever and I think I have had a issue with empty bins... 10 times. If you are running out of ammo you are shooting blanks a lot!

We have CW that is for groups, we have PUG for random, and we have PUG group for random teams. I think its BS that players don't have enough to handle A larger group than What I'M in beat me! Its a joke. When I hear Lawmen complain like this I chide them that the better team won the match, and it wasn't us. lets try to do better next time.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:13 AM

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 27 June 2015 - 03:12 AM, said:

Really Quantum? I have played ammo dependent weapons forever and I think I have had a issue with empty bins... 10 times. If you are running out of ammo you are shooting blanks a lot!

We have CW that is for groups, we have PUG for random, and we have PUG group for random teams. I think its BS that players don't have enough to handle A larger group than What I'M in beat me! Its a joke. When I hear Lawmen complain like this I chide them that the better team won the match, and it wasn't us. lets try to do better next time.


What I'm saying is 12 v 12 simply Isn't As Fun as 8 v 8 was.

#223 TWIAFU

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:20 AM

View PostMystere, on 26 June 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:


I think something got "lost in translation". Just what exactly is a 12-man skirmish team?



That's easy:
  • cheaters
  • sync droppers
  • high-Elo tryhards in new alts
Mud, calling Mud! Need more bogeyman examples.



Skirmish team is a 12 man made up of smaller groups.

#224 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:23 AM

View PostQuantumButler, on 27 June 2015 - 03:13 AM, said:

What I'm saying is 12 v 12 simply Isn't As Fun as 8 v 8 was.

I wouldn't know, after PGI/IGP restricted us to 4 man Most of the Law moved on. Most I have been a part of was a 10 man IIRC. And that sir was fun!

Maybe the team of 12 you speak of just didn't get a long well.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:26 AM

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 27 June 2015 - 03:02 AM, said:

I haven't seen that in a drop in... a year or more Mud.



And he will not provide proof to back up his claims.

A few of the same faction in a pug drop is a sync drop?
A few of same unit is a sync drop?

Man, he has got some real serious issues he needs to work out. Maybe medication too.

View PostQuantumButler, on 27 June 2015 - 03:02 AM, said:

What really should be gotten rid of is 12 vs 12 except for CW, 12 vs 12 has been a mistake from the start and undeniably made the game worse to play.

Back in 8v8 coordinated groups of 4 could actually make a difference, and most of the maps really are too small for 12 v 12.


So no more 12 man units and no more 12 man skirmish. Wow.

And when people complained when we had 4x4 and 8x8 and the maps were to large?

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:28 AM

Hmm. I have seen several sync drops lately. They do still excist. Problem is that most of the drops are hard to see of its genuine or not. Same unit is easier to spot. And on their side the problem is that the drops is not teaming on the same team.

Doesn't matter, but sync dropping still happens.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:28 AM

View PostTWIAFU, on 27 June 2015 - 03:24 AM, said:



And he will not provide proof to back up his claims.

A few of the same faction in a pug drop is a sync drop?
A few of same unit is a sync drop?

Man, he has got some real serious issues he needs to work out. Maybe medication too.

Funny thing in PUG, I have dropped many times when there are a few Lawmen on, and I have been in drop with them...2-3 times. Ever. Worse, when I do get them in a drop randomly, they usually are DC! :(

But it does prove that Elo IS working! Cause those guys are better than I am by a good factor. :unsure:

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:29 AM

View PostQuantumButler, on 27 June 2015 - 03:13 AM, said:

What I'm saying is 12 v 12 simply Isn't As Fun as 8 v 8 was.



And 8x8 wont be fun either when you are stomped by them just like 4x4 wont be.

And then what?

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:29 AM

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 27 June 2015 - 03:02 AM, said:

I haven't seen that in a drop in... a year or more Mud.


Hows that post count coming? I hope at some point you will start actually saying something instead of multiple posts of nothing.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:30 AM

View PostSarlic, on 27 June 2015 - 03:28 AM, said:

Hmm. I have seen several sync drops lately. They do still excist. Problem is that most of the drops are hard to see of its genuine or not. Same unit is easier to spot. And on their side the problem is that the drops is not teaming on the same team.

Doesn't matter, but sync dropping still happens.

Though its not cool in my book, its just a greater challenge to overcome, so Yea challenging!

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 27 June 2015 - 03:29 AM, said:


Hows that post count coming? I hope at some point you will start actually saying something instead of multiple posts of nothing.

I have more than 2 posts. Gotta problem with that sparky? I have posts with meaning when they need to have it, then I have my fun with conspiracy theories like your "Syncdroppers ate my baby" Posts.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 27 June 2015 - 03:32 AM.


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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:33 AM

View PostSarlic, on 27 June 2015 - 03:28 AM, said:

Hmm. I have seen several sync drops lately. They do still excist. Problem is that most of the drops are hard to see of its genuine or not. Same unit is easier to spot. And on their side the problem is that the drops is not teaming on the same team.

Doesn't matter, but sync dropping still happens.


Factions still sponsor TS channels dedicated to syncing into solo. I checked last week and most were populated.

Its all part of the same denials like everything else we have come to find were true. Even after my team dropped into solo for a full month and announced it on the forums and in chat they still denied it.

Ridiculous people staying ridiculous. Nothing you can do about that.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:34 AM

View PostQuantumButler, on 27 June 2015 - 03:06 AM, said:

It is, it makes the games over too quickly and lopsidedly favors energy weapons because of abysmal ammo counts per ton.

By all means keep it for CW, but not in thee normal queue,



That's a new excuse why 12mans are evil. Not a good one by a long shot, but original.

Keep trying.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:38 AM

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 27 June 2015 - 03:30 AM, said:



I have more than 2 posts. Gotta problem with that sparky? I have posts with meaning when they need to have it, then I have my fun with conspiracy theories like your "Syncdroppers ate my baby" Posts.


Its like listening to a broken record that's all. I am trying to create change with my posts and even though i have been here almost as long as you I cant begin to touch your numbers. I look at my post count and think that's too much.

Just don't do a video K?

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:38 AM

View PostTWIAFU, on 27 June 2015 - 03:29 AM, said:



And 8x8 wont be fun either when you are stomped by them just like 4x4 wont be.

And then what?


I'm not complaining about being stomped by big groups though?

I literally want the entire matchwide playercount reduced back to the 2 lances vs 2 lances of the old days, I don't have a problem with big groups vs small groups, that's fine, whatever, I dislike the current playercount, at least in the normal queue.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:40 AM

View PostTWIAFU, on 27 June 2015 - 03:34 AM, said:



That's a new excuse why 12mans are evil. Not a good one by a long shot, but original.

Keep trying.


12 mans are not evil, I want them to still have their fun too. It's the culture that's the issue. As your a big part of that culture I don't expect you to understand.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:42 AM

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 27 June 2015 - 03:30 AM, said:

Though its not cool in my book, its just a greater challenge to overcome, so Yea challenging!


I have more than 2 posts. Gotta problem with that sparky? I have posts with meaning when they need to have it, then I have my fun with conspiracy theories like your "Syncdroppers ate my baby" Posts.

While true. We got no decent 'small group' system. As Russ have pointed out only small percentage are the 12 man group.

I would rather see a good comeback of introducing friend system and or having a good system to play up to 4 friends.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:47 AM

View PostSarlic, on 27 June 2015 - 03:42 AM, said:

While true. We got no decent 'small group' system. As Russ have pointed out only small percentage are the 12 man group.

I would rather see a good comeback of introducing friend system and or having a good system to play up to 4 friends.

I don't know I usually have a lot of fun playing with friends, except that their Elo is a good bit higher than mine and at that level I'm being carried to wins or losses. The banter is awesome the game is... frustrating with 3 friends or 11. :unsure:

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:49 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 27 June 2015 - 03:33 AM, said:


Factions still sponsor TS channels dedicated to syncing into solo. I checked last week and most were populated.

Its all part of the same denials like everything else we have come to find were true. Even after my team dropped into solo for a full month and announced it on the forums and in chat they still denied it.

Ridiculous people staying ridiculous. Nothing you can do about that.


Well i don't critisize you for trying to make your point. Sync dropping have always been a part of this game.

I rather stay in the grey area of this discussion.

I do get your arguments and points (although it's a odd way of your writing, no offense, my english isn't that good either.) but i do also get other people's point of their understanding to you and how it feels like when you are trying to make your point.

Both sides have their points, and this is a never-ending discussion because your opinion won't change, as theirs won't change too.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:50 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 27 June 2015 - 02:58 AM, said:




No one is buying your bull anymore but your pals.

When solos drop and see five of the same faction tag and three with the same team tags they know its not random.

You clowns don't even hide it anymore.

Glad your on the watch list. You will end up the same as your other forum pal who made a point of sneaking a mud jab in every thread.

Please add me to your watch list. And then do the public a favor. Make your watch list public. Finally, stop posting until you can provide proof one of them is cheating, sync-dropping, or using exploits. If as you say it is so common and you are so sure you know who is doing it, you should be able to provide proof in no time. Time to put up or shut up, Mud.

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 03:53 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 27 June 2015 - 03:38 AM, said:


Its like listening to a broken record that's all. I am trying to create change with my posts and even though i have been here almost as long as you I cant begin to touch your numbers. I look at my post count and think that's too much.

Just don't do a video K?

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That's cause you don't have to sit around for 8-10 hours a day every day waiting for a computer driven machining center to end cycle. I do. I hardly ever post from home, because I have better things to do there.

As for the broken record... well How do you think we feel about your syncdrop conspiracy? Bad players lose the match, then try to come up with a reason they lost besides they were not good enough as a team to win. That's the long and short of it.

That woman needs to eat and get her brain turned on. Never understood the interest in her at all!

View PostSarlic, on 27 June 2015 - 03:49 AM, said:

Both sides have their points, and this is a never-ending discussion because your opinion won't change, as theirs won't change too.
Seyla!

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 27 June 2015 - 03:54 AM.






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