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[omessiaho]

Mystere, on 27 June 2015 - 04:46 PM, said:

Who made heroic last stands a requirement to playing MWO?

Equally important, what made you think I even give a rat's arse about KDR?

Nobody did, I was responding to your "come and get me...if you can" statement. To me that implies a guy a guy getting ready to fight to the end. Like Rocky music starts playing and ****, not some guy powering down and hiding.

Everyone can argue their interpretation of the rules but hiding is lame.

[Soy]

Personally I find it to be a verrrrrry rare situation where I would be specifically hiding powered down for a long period of time.

Here is the situation:

First off, it's probably solo conquest.

Second off, the chance for winning by capping exists or my teammates can possibly kill the last guys.

Third off, I have no weapons.

Fourth off, I am not in a location or situation in which it would be constructive to hold LoS and doritos on enemies due to inherent risk of being shot at and killed OR they reposition as a result of me doing so.

Fifth off, I am in a situation in which it would not be constructive to soak damage while my teammates reposition or take other objectives or bear down on enemies from a different place.

Sixth off, even some of these situations I feel it is constructive to go out and practice soaking, a lost art in this community and current meta since people just tilt down into each others faces with short TTK hitscan or gauss. For me, I take every opportunity I can before dying to make enemy work for it. So there's a lot of these scenarios out the window.

That leaves just this huge filtered scenario in which we can somehow cap base or flags in conquest and I have no weapons, should not spot enemies, etc etc etc that's just super rare.

If that happens maybe you should just make note of whats occuring from a critical standpoint instead of reporting the guy and acting butthurt. That's just my opinion. There's things to learn on the fly but people are so up their own ass they have to watch replays to get the simplest ****.

Take times like this to search for the player. If you can't find them, you are failing at something. Look at your own play. You just failed to find a guy for 10 minutes. Lol? Again, take it as a time to practice an obviously underutilized skill, which is hunting based on previous map awareness/variables and instinct. Where was the guy last, what mech was he in, oh you don't know, obviously not paying enough attention.

But that's just how I play, I work on my own **** rather than trying to **** on other people.

Edited by Soy, 27 June 2015 - 06:07 PM.

[Dirk Le Daring]

Just a point of curiosity.....

The OP had one leg and no weapons.

How is one expected to fight with no weapons ?

[Pepsigremlin]

Time to shut down this thread:
Kyra did nothing wrong. People who call out your location after you participated are actually the ones who can be reported for Team Treason. What Kyra did is not breaking the rules, and Egomane clearly states that in the last post on a similar thread before locking it down. Per Egomane:

"Calling out teammates for hiding, after they activly participated in the match is a pretty straight forward violation of the rules, you agreed to abide to when you signed up for MWO. There is nothing anyone can say, that justifies it.

As this thread is discussing this type of rule braking, I'll shut it down!

If you come across a player who is breaching the rules for either non-participation (disengaging after combat to hide is not non-participation) or team treason, please report them to support@mwomercs.com, with any evidence you have available, such as (but not limited to):
- Name of player
- Map played
- Date, time and timezone
- Other players involved (witnesses)
- Type of rule violation
- Screenshots
- Links to videos or other material that might prove helpfull for the GMs"

SOURCE:
http://mwomercs.com/...h/page__st__140
(Last post of thread)

[edited to include full post from Egomane]

Edited by Pepsigremlin, 27 June 2015 - 06:50 PM.

[Alan Davion]

Dirk Le Daring, on 27 June 2015 - 06:41 PM, said:

Just a point of curiosity.....

The OP had one leg and no weapons.

How is one expected to fight with no weapons ?

Apparently, some members of the community believe they are to simply offer themselves up on a silver platter.

Nuts to that I say.

[LordNothing]

Dirk Le Daring, on 27 June 2015 - 06:41 PM, said:

Just a point of curiosity.....

The OP had one leg and no weapons.

How is one expected to fight with no weapons ?

i once rammed a centurion to death.

[Raggedyman]

Monkey Lover, on 27 June 2015 - 01:16 PM, said:

They need to remove the kdr stats.

Why? Clan Precious Little Snowflake will continue to complain that other people aren't playing the game the way that CPLS demands, regardless what's in the game.

[Raggedyman]

Kyra Legion, on 27 June 2015 - 11:24 AM, said:

Had a idiot telling me thet he will report me for not following TOS in game when I only have one leg and no weapons so I did power down as I was hiding when I was the last in the game. So where do that show that I violence the TOS.

Thank Kyra

If someone threatens to report you over the contested issue of participation then let them. The reports are resolved using game logs, not here-say, so if you have done nothing wrong then PGI won't sanction you and they'll just consider that guy a jerk.
If someone ever gives out your coordinates in game them report them, as that is a clear and direct breach of the TOS.

[Raggedyman]

Xetelian, on 27 June 2015 - 04:41 PM, said:

You should be reported.


Hiding for 10 minutes is not acceptable.

You should be fired.

Taking 10 minutes to find and kill one powered down weaponless enemy is not acceptable.

[Zergling]

Quote

Hi there!
Thank you for your feedback and our apologies we could not reach your earlier. If the player B is still actively playing it is not considered non-participation.
For us powering down your mech for the purpose of letting the clock run out and maintaining your K/D ratio does not fall within the intended spirit of the shutdown mechanic, and is considered an act of non-participation.
Regards

GM_Patience

Piranha Games

[Alistair Winter]

Zergling has ended the thread. Thanks for playing, everyone.

But will it be enough? How long before the next 'avoiding combat' thread pops up? Stay tuned to find out!

[bad arcade kitty]

Alistair Winter, on 28 June 2015 - 12:38 AM, said:

Zergling has ended the thread. Thanks for playing, everyone.

But will it be enough? How long before the next 'avoiding combat' thread pops up? Stay tuned to find out!

i dunno what's new you saw there

it was said in the very first such thread that people who shutdown for many minutes can be reported

their position cannot be disclosed though, it's a separate violence and it can be reported too

upd:
also note, it doesn't oblige people to suicide to enemy;

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 28 June 2015 - 12:45 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

bad arcade kitty, on 28 June 2015 - 12:42 AM, said:

i dunno what's new you saw there
it was said in the very first such thread that people who shutdown for many minutes can be reported
their position cannot be disclosed though, it's a separate violence and it can be reported too

Nothing new, but still a lot of players who maintain that you can do whatever you want in a match, as long as you're not abusing game mechanics (e.g. riding other mechs) or shooting teammates. A lot of people feel that powering down with no intention of fighting is a valid personal choice. Which is why this thread has gone to 3 pages and may even see 4 or 5.

[bad arcade kitty]

>A lot of people feel that powering down with no intention of fighting is a valid personal choice.

depending on the situation

for instance i doubt one will be punished for hiding in the base in assault (and it leads to 15 minute games way more often than shut downers in skirmish) or for hiding in conquest where the enemy team is about to win by cap anyway

[Mystere]

Alistair Winter, on 28 June 2015 - 12:45 AM, said:

Nothing new, but still a lot of players who maintain that you can do whatever you want in a match, as long as you're not abusing game mechanics (e.g. riding other mechs) or shooting teammates. A lot of people feel that powering down with no intention of fighting is a valid personal choice. Which is why this thread has gone to 3 pages and may even see 4 or 5.

5 pages is nothing. The previous ones have gone for more.

And I'm still not going to offer myself to the enemy on a silver platter and let them effortlessly pad their KDR and c-bill earnings. Do you want me dead? Then do try to kill me ... if you even can.

[Peter2k]

Kyra Legion, on 27 June 2015 - 11:24 AM, said:

Had a idiot telling me thet he will report me for not following TOS in game when I only have one leg and no weapons so I did power down as I was hiding when I was the last in the game. So where do that show that I violence the TOS.

Thank Kyra

You're not in violation
Why would you hide anyway
You don't pay for repairs and the mech is not lost in combat
Aside from the fact that you can, but then you could've also just powered down anywhere in the open so people don't have to search
Or you could just disconect wherever you are without powering down
at least people can see the mech from afar that way

Why hide and shut down?

LordNothing, on 27 June 2015 - 01:34 PM, said:

at the end of the day its just a game

While I certainly agree, this isn't hide and seek either


I have yet to see ANY reasoning why hiding in a hole and shutting down is actually useful to the team or to the player doing it outside of conquest
AND most maps are so small it doesn't matter even then

I have seen players hide in a hole, shutting down and then leaving the match

only reason I basically hear is: I can and I can't be punished for it
But then I could also leg all my teammates, or as much as they let me
It's not against any rules per se, I didn't TK them, just crippled them
If people take rules word by word, well ...

[Joseph Mallan]

TWIAFU, on 27 June 2015 - 12:56 PM, said:

Stop doing it and won't have a problem

We agree to play by a set of rules given to us by PGI. You do not want to lay by the same rules as everyone else, you will not be playing.

Easy. Simple.




And neither of them state what you say they do. He can go read them and see for himself.

When I hit Launch I am setting aside 15 whole minutes to play a game. Its not like its an hour, its 15 minutes and when someone does go and shut down its usually the last... 4 or less. I'll either sit ad wait watching to see if he avoids detection or I go kiss my wife, get a beer, do something. Its not a big deal.

[Soy]

Alistair Winter, on 28 June 2015 - 12:38 AM, said:

Zergling has ended the thread. Thanks for playing, everyone.

But will it be enough? How long before the next 'avoiding combat' thread pops up? Stay tuned to find out!

Cept determing "purpose of preserving K:D" seems incredibly arbitrary and vague as hell.

[Alistair Winter]

Soy, on 28 June 2015 - 02:49 AM, said:

Cept determing "purpose of preserving K:D" seems incredibly arbitrary and vague as hell.

You're right. We should have a signal. Turning the lights off in your cockpit means you're powering down for the sake of preserving your K/D ratio. In which case you may get reported. But leaving the lights on in your cockpit means you're powering down in some desolate part of the map for the sake of studying that map texture up close, without that pesky HUD getting in the way. In which case you're not breaking any rules.

[Soy]

The fact that you can't see free looking on spectate if the player is powered down is dumb as hell. That's what needs to be fixed... "he's afk" then free look ur cam back n forth to say 'no' xD