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[Navid A1]

Your optimism is commendable Nightshade24 but notice this.
You have to understand why some are skeptics. Many things happened in the past.

PGI started with nearly no experience in these kind of semi-simulator games. They've been constantly learning and experimenting...only to re-discover things that has been going on in simulator games (features, balance, etc).
True, The BT universe is hard to balance in a real-time shooter... but the outcome is improvement over time "for them"... but frustration "for us players".

Think of map design and its current re-design procedures. The map designer is the only one here that had any kind of benefit out of it... Experience!.... We?... we just got frustration. Many lost interest and fled early on.

Think of balance. The game designer just sees numbers and adjustments and he gets paid for that. You, as a player spend hundreds of dollars to have fun, yet you get frustration in return,... feels like you are being used as a test subject so someone can gain experience.


Only hope now is that MWO and PGI can put that experience to use and create something that can attract "new" fans.... that is a real challenge. Old BT fans like us did not need attraction...we just threw money at the name, mechwarrior.
PGI had an exceptional situation regarding MWO, many of the MW hardcore fans have good jobs, families and financial stability, happy to spend on a title full of nostalgia. Few developers have that opportunity. Sadly they nearly milked that specific fans dry in their experimenting phase.

Edited by Navid A1, 30 June 2015 - 04:06 AM.

[KaffeeKup]

Slap in the face for anyone that gets paid a few days later...

[anonymous161]

IraqiWalker, on 29 June 2015 - 06:54 PM, said:

We're getting new maps, improved UI, and even new modes. I'd recommend coming back when they are here.

Oh when? Is their a link that shows pictures or videos of said packs? You seriously believe they will deliver something that will work as intended? Just look at cw.

cw is really just an excuse for them to release more and more and mor mech packs to gouge your wallots without even delivering new game modes first.

Frankly I'm sick of this I'll be gone for a very long time once games like metal gear 5 and fallout 4 are released I'm burned out on these free to play games.

[KuroNyra]

Darth Bane001, on 30 June 2015 - 12:50 AM, said:

Frankly I'm sick of this I'll be gone for a very long time once games like metal gear 5 and fallout 4 are released I'm burned out on these free to play games.

You have been doing nothing but criticise the game without even watching the progress they made.
So yeah, leave. You won't be missed anyway.




Now on the topic: Hunchback IIC, damn I have waited that one for a loooong time.

[Zandel Corrin]

Was really hoping to see a Kodiak some time soon, I don't even care what stats it has that thing just looks beastly!

Shame we will never see the Warhammer or Marauder in this game due to that F'd up legal action back in the day.

[NocturnalBeast]

If these mechs do not have fixed engines, HS and armor, then they will be the most OP mechs in the game.

[MrWhite]

Dat power creep LOL least until they get nerfed into the ground after you can buy them for Cbills...

[anonymous161]

CHH Badkarma, on 29 June 2015 - 11:04 PM, said:

If i wanted to "preorder" nerfs and in game content that looked nothing like the artwork I would be all over this.
No more blind loyalty from me pgi. Wallet is closed.

How I feel. I've sunk a lot of money in this game and franly haven't seen it paying off at all.

KuroNyra, on 30 June 2015 - 12:58 AM, said:

You have been doing nothing but criticise the game without even watching the progress they made.
So yeah, leave. You won't be missed anyway.




Now on the topic: Hunchback IIC, damn I have waited that one for a loooong time.

??? I been playing this since it has released I have yet to see any real significant improvement in the game after all the money whales like you have thrown at them. We have a handful of maps some of which are just variants of the same map which are broken like river city.

I'm hardly alone in my frustration in seeing nothing but cash grabs with little real content that improves the game like lets say destiny...

I'm pretty sure once this game leaves no one is gonna really care or notice that much.

[MrEdweird]

Darth Bane001, on 30 June 2015 - 01:33 AM, said:

How I feel. I've sunk a lot of money in this game and franly haven't seen it paying off at all.




??? I been playing this since it has released I have yet to see any real significant improvement in the game after all the money whales like you have thrown at them. We have a handful of maps some of which are just variants of the same map which are broken like river city.

I'm hardly alone in my frustration in seeing nothing but cash grabs with little real content that improves the game like lets say destiny...

I'm pretty sure once this game leaves no one is gonna really care or notice that much.

Yeah, welcome to Free2Play games. MWO, PlanetSide 2, World of Tanks...many share this syndrome.

On topic, though. We finally got a Hunchback with jumpjets and it's a clan mech...>.>

Would buy if they make a Cicada IIC with jumpjets, though

[K19]

Now new things. The information is the same?" http://www.sarna.net/wiki/IIC." I have not seen described anything new for me to pay for the versions 2. mech just have different designs weapons are the same that and bad, expect them to do more. Because it is already beginning to be bored. The less the maps are already learning something you know is difficult but it is possible to do better. Good luck.

[Inveramsay]

I threw money at them, I do wonder how they plan to balance these things though

[Uncle Totty]

Koniving, on 29 June 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

YES!

Kinda sucks. Got other methods? Don't let them stop you! When life gives you lemons...
Now burn their house down and buy those mechs!
>.>

Does Karma Koin still work?

[Nightshade24]

MrWhite, on 30 June 2015 - 01:10 AM, said:

Dat power creep LOL least until they get nerfed into the ground after you can buy them for Cbills...

Ironically this power creep is most likely the best way to ballance the clans and be a pivotal point to balance both factions accordingly. (that and the power creep status was lost when the IS started getting 50% quirks... just saying...)

[Nightshade24]

Darth Bane001, on 30 June 2015 - 01:33 AM, said:

How I feel. I've sunk a lot of money in this game and franly haven't seen it paying off at all.




??? I been playing this since it has released I have yet to see any real significant improvement in the game after all the money whales like you have thrown at them. We have a handful of maps some of which are just variants of the same map which are broken like river city.

I'm hardly alone in my frustration in seeing nothing but cash grabs with little real content that improves the game like lets say destiny...

I'm pretty sure once this game leaves no one is gonna really care or notice that much.

Ahem...

Maps being redone.
Collision against map terrain.
Community warfare being developed and released.
Leopard dropships in normal game.
Union dropships in normal game soon
Overlord dropships in CW soon.
Improved turrets Soon
Omnimechs being made
Clan battlemechs being made.
Module and quirk systems.
Hit reg fix for lasers
breaking the 2 year meta chain with pinpoint weapons and shifting the meta to lasers.
Solaris VII already starting in the works.
Campaign even earlier in the works
Improved tutorial in the works and has progress (part of the campaign above)
Ai for tanks and later on mechs is being worked on.
Getting mechs that never saw the face of a video game now in game.
Supporting so far the best mechwarrior experience with other players. Free of extreme MW4 cheese, MW2 lag shooting, and MWLL restrictions and player friendliness.

[Nightshade24]

Inveramsay, on 30 June 2015 - 01:59 AM, said:

I threw money at them, I do wonder how they plan to balance these things though

Most likely no quirks at first, and then slowly apply them to see fit.

We already see some ballancing in the midst...

Highlander IIC being the slowest mech in game by force with very low engine cap relative to mass. (some 100 tonners are slower but can still upgrade to be faster)
Orion IIC is well... not going to be having to much quirks?
Hunchback IIC duel hunchies is going to make ST death extremely common for this thing... even with an XL engine! (clan xl dies when both ST dies. Both ST can be hit from the front, back, sides, etc... most 'meta' builds for this in the midst use clan gauss which makes it extrmeely easy to destroy the ST as well as the fact they shave arm armour making it uber easy to hit)
On top of that it has to sacrafice stuff to make other parts of it work (ie duel large ballistics = hit to the armour, engine, and jumpjets.)

Jenner IIC will be different to the normal jenner, the normal jenner will be better at DPS, fire rate, and heat, and small profile and harder to kill, while the clan one will be bigger, clunkier, faster, and have bigger alpha but worse heat efficiency.

These things have the same "OPness" as a Dragon before quirks came in some ways, the mech is very XL friendly and can pack lots of dakka for it's time, but there is also draw backs that pulls it away from being a meta.

Nathan K, on 30 June 2015 - 02:11 AM, said:

Does Karma Koin still work?

Yes, it does.

[Sarlic]

I honestly dont want to offend people, but clearly we have enough stupid people with a decent income to still pay the awful money /= value.

I really don't get it.

The vote with your wallet thread was not too long ago. But some people are still forking over huge sums of money.

Russ even said by himself that he didnt liked the balance we have the moment. Community screamed for laser mechs, got them and handed money over. He even stated that there will be huge balance attempts incoming... and yet people still preorder and pay up.

I mean how stupid enough are you? Haven't you learned from the Timberwolf? You pay for dead pixels and then complain it gets nerfed because you paid for it.

Man, i fear the astronomical amount of whine after everyone forked over some cash for IIC mechs when the big balance wall and nerfs are incoming.

Again, no offense. But i would suggest stand still and think for a moment. Look up how all these packages went so far and then make your decision. Nothing impulsive, but some thinking before you buy. I don't tell you were to spend your money on but i am just trying to light a small light under 'WTF am i buying' syndrome.

The only thing i see as a improvement are new features. But then agian we have to deal a snails speed. It's something.

Edited by Sarlic, 30 June 2015 - 02:37 AM.

[Cranky Puppy]

Innersphere needs a 16 Weapon Atlas if they are going to do this mess. After the battle of TUKY I am sure there is enough scrap Clan Mechs on the field for the Innersphere engineers and techs to load out Clan Equipment on Inner Sphere Mechs.

[IraqiWalker]

Woodstock, on 29 June 2015 - 10:25 PM, said:

Will we be able to full customise these mechs?

EG - remove engines, Endo / Ferro etc?

Woodstock (Rick)

They are battlemechs. Functionally identical to IS mechs, so unlocked Endo, FF, and engines. While using clan weapons.

Vellron2005, on 29 June 2015 - 11:12 PM, said:

Ok, this is seriously starting to piss me off...

Origins mecs are overpowered off the line, and then PGI AND the community will once again be crying about breaking game balance!

I mean, seriously?!

A hunchback with 2 friggin UAC20's?? As if the 4G wasen't bad enough...

That out-guns most clan mechs right of the bat, and many ASSAULT mechs too.. How can a medium mech have the firepower of an assault and be in a game that is considered "balanced"?

Oh, yeah, cose it's pay to win now... right...

I wish people actually bother to learn how the mechs work before they make a whine post about them. The HBK IIC packs 2 UAC 20s by having little armor.If you try to give it more armor while running the 2xUAC20 build, you're going to downgrade to a small engine.

It's not pay to win. You just didn't bother to learn how the mechs are built.

Fireeagle, on 30 June 2015 - 12:14 AM, said:

Well - as i wrote in the german section:

Every one understands : PGI wants to make Money.

BUT BEFORE NEW MECHS:

GIVE US MORE CONTENT!
MORE MAPS
MORE GAME MODES (Solaris has been mentioned many many times)
MAKE CW INTERESTING / TACTICAL (its allways about rushing...)
MAKE GAME MODE FOR SOLOPLAYERS (not a Story but a Kind of tournament mode for the ones who want to fight 1:1)


Maybe this is just my opinion but : make the game more like an Simulator than an egoshooter...

For the billionth time: PEOPLE WHO WORK ON MECHS ARE NOT THE SAME AS THOSE WHO WORK ON OTHER CONTENT, THEY ARE DIFFERENT TEAMS, WITH DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT SKILLS.

Seriously, learn the simple basics of software development if you are going to criticize it.

Darth Bane001, on 30 June 2015 - 12:50 AM, said:

Oh when? Is their a link that shows pictures or videos of said packs? You seriously believe they will deliver something that will work as intended? Just look at cw.

cw is really just an excuse for them to release more and more and mor mech packs to gouge your wallots without even delivering new game modes first.

Frankly I'm sick of this I'll be gone for a very long time once games like metal gear 5 and fallout 4 are released I'm burned out on these free to play games.

Yes, there are several dev videos, and even roadmap threads. I suggest you actually check the forums to see if something exists, before asking about it. (Watch the last 2 dev vlogs, and the video that was released specifically to showcase parts of the new River City re-work).

Darth, sarcasm won't help you here.

[Navid A1]

I've got a question:

Why the (o) variants are the ones that SUCK the most?... too much fun is prohibited?

Also why the extra clan colors are all different shades of grey?

um... does anyone here feels like that the hunchie IIC may have problems with field of view?... dem hunches.

Edited by Navid A1, 30 June 2015 - 03:46 AM.

[102_devill]

WTG PGI!!! New mechs is the only thing this game needs!

/end irony