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[DoctorDetroit]

Kosmaj, on 01 July 2015 - 04:02 AM, said:

Oh, good work white knight Nightshade24! You will get your prize form PGI in next month in your payment for trying to ridicule me in the most stupid way you could do.

For first you can slap yourself if you like that, don't bring childish arguments into discusion. You should fell ashmed

So it is not a mix tech when you have IS upgrades and clan weapons and engines?! your logic failed and your lie is big..

I think you are confused about mix tech. IIC mechs are clan battlemechs, they use clan weapons and clan engines and clan FF/Endo. They follow battlemech build rules instead of omnimech rules. Mixtech would be mounting clan weapons on an IS mech.

Edited by DoctorDetroit, 01 July 2015 - 04:35 AM.

[Kosmaj]

IraqiWalker, on 01 July 2015 - 04:14 AM, said:

CW isn't broken, just a bit on the boring side, and the rewards are crap there. (I can make double the profits in the public queue), and it's still lacking in content.

You can't really sue PGI on not delivering these things, because the simplest argument they can use against you is that the game is still in development, and these things are coming. You can't disprove that.

Honestly, out of your two rants, you have one really good point: The Resistance Badges. Everything else won't stand for more than 30 seconds.

i said only the problem with badges qulifies for lawsuit -.- I know my english language isn't good but i hoped i wrote clearly.

And once more argument that CW is ok but rewards aren't. So you play worser game mode because better has worser rewards? this is gold! No one, i repeat, no one is addressing the real problem of lack of content. All you say is rewards rewards, but no one points towards actual game system. For example let's turn off normal games so only you could play CW, Then ask yourself now: would i like to spend time with this game playing CW? Besides from my experience if you WIN you got more money from CW so...? Oh you wanted to say that population in CW is so low that there is no Matchmaker system and from time to time you get rolfstomped making you feel terrible? So why people don't want to play this better game mode? hmmm? You only need to do average score to get more money from CW so rewards aren't the problem. The whole mechanic behind CW is in fault. But of course it's better game mode you just don't play better modes because we all know we love playing those worser modes. ROLF

[IraqiWalker]

Kosmaj, on 01 July 2015 - 04:43 AM, said:

i said only the problem with badges qulifies for lawsuit -.- I know my english language isn't good but i hoped i wrote clearly.

And once more argument that CW is ok but rewards aren't. So you play worser game mode because better has worser rewards? this is gold! No one, i repeat, no one is addressing the real problem of lack of content. All you say is rewards rewards, but no one points towards actual game system. For example let's turn off normal games so only you could play CW, Then ask yourself now: would i like to spend time with this game playing CW? Besides from my experience if you WIN you got more money from CW so...? Oh you wanted to say that population in CW is so low that there is no Matchmaker system and from time to time you get rolfstomped making you feel terrible? So why people don't want to play this better game mode? hmmm? You only need to do average score to get more money from CW so rewards aren't the problem. The whole mechanic behind CW is in fault. But of course it's better game mode you just don't play better modes because we all know we love playing those worser modes. ROLF

Ok. Drop the imaginary arguments. I stepped in to point out a couple of things. I didn't realize you were only talking about the badges with the lawsuit.

I also never stated 90% of what you have in that post. CW isn't broken. It's got problems, and I'd be happy to list them, but you did a good job of listing some of them. Drop the aggression, and drop the attitude.

(For future reference, Worse is a comparative tool, so you don't say "worser". Just like you don't say betterer.)

[Kosmaj]

DoctorDetroit, on 01 July 2015 - 04:34 AM, said:

I think you are confused about mix tech. IIC mechs are clan battlemechs, they use clan weapons and clan engines and clan FF/Endo. They follow battlemech build rules instead of omnimech rules. Mixtech would be mounting clan weapons on an IS mech.

Yes you are right if this would be tabletop. And yes i should precise what i mean is. At the dawn of arrival in MWO Clan mechs they were made less upgradeable then IS to counter their supremacy, but what we get right now is fully upgradeable clan mech in which you can change engine, structure, armor. Russ said in 2013 in town hall if you listen closely that they will not blend those two systems in game.

[IraqiWalker]

Kosmaj, on 01 July 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

Yes you are right if this would be tabletop. And yes i should precise what i mean is. At the dawn of arrival in MWO Clan mechs they were made less upgradeable then IS to counter their supremacy, but what we get right now is fully upgradeable clan mech in which you can change engine, structure, armor. Russ said in 2013 in town hall if you listen closely that they will not blend those two systems in game.

Russ said no mixtech. Which we still don't have. Make no mistake, I'm not a fan of the IIC mechs to begin with, even on TT.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 01 July 2015 - 05:52 AM.

[Koniving]

IraqiWalker, on 01 July 2015 - 04:48 AM, said:

(For future reference, Worse is a comparative tool, so you don't say "worser". Just like you don't say betterer.)

But, but... Wouldn't that make Engrish that much betterer? Or would that make it dumberer?

Spoiler

On a side note, I was wondering if you have any favorite artwork of Battlemasters, Orions and Highlanders. Currently I'm making some 3D models of Battlemasters.

Actually more than anything, really curious about Awesome artwork. >.>

[Wintersdark]

Kosmaj, on 01 July 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

Yes you are right if this would be tabletop. And yes i should precise what i mean is. At the dawn of arrival in MWO Clan mechs they were made less upgradeable then IS to counter their supremacy, but what we get right now is fully upgradeable clan mech in which you can change engine, structure, armor. Russ said in 2013 in town hall if you listen closely that they will not blend those two systems in game.

I can accept that perhaps you didn't understand what Russ said due to language barriers, but Russ was quite clear. He said at launch and for the forseeable future there'd be no mixtech - even then he acknowledged that it may come some day. In the last town hall meeting, he restated that he wants to keep IS and Clan separate still.

Mixtech, in this context, has nothing to do with battlemech vs. omnimech, or the construction systems. What it means is IS using IS mechs with IS equipment, Clan using Clan mechs with Clan equipment.

The IIC mechs ARE CLAN MECHS. They are not IS mechs. They are using Clan equipment. They are Battlemechs, though, not Omnimechs, so they use Battlemech construction rules: No omnipods, unlocked engines and upgrades. The IIC mechs are in no sense mixtech. Remember, the IIC mechs, being Battlemechs and not Omnimechs, do not have swapable omnipods.

And I say this as a godless heathen who wants mixtech. (please, i get lots of people object strongly to that, I don't care; I'm not saying it's what should be, just what I'd personally like, and that it's irrelevant for the thread anyways so we don't need to debate it)

[IraqiWalker]

Koniving, on 01 July 2015 - 06:01 AM, said:

But, but... Wouldn't that make Engrish that much betterer? Or would that make it dumberer?

Spoiler

On a side note, I was wondering if you have any favorite artwork of Battlemasters, Orions and Highlanders. Currently I'm making some 3D models of Battlemasters.

Actually more than anything, really curious about Awesome artwork. >.>

Lemme rummage through some folders, and I'll see.

[Koniving]

IraqiWalker, on 01 July 2015 - 06:02 AM, said:

Lemme rummage through some folders, and I'll see.

This is what I'm currently trying to replicate. Plan is to replicate a number of different art sources and then mix/match parts til I'm content with the result.

Spoiler

[RussianWolf]

Túatha Dé Danann, on 01 July 2015 - 01:59 AM, said:

Aye - which again - is not a disadvantage - they have an answer for every situation and can - due to their pod space fill in really big guns. The versions I've build in theory look rock solid and can dish out a lot of punishment.

So why then do so many people convert their Clan Omnis to Laser Vomit or Dakka machines instead of having a nice mix which all of them are able to achieve? Because that's not what people tend to want to do here. Fixed hardpoints will be seen as a major disadvantage, limiting the boating ability and the ability to sync weapon types in cases.

I know quite a few people that have 4 omnimechs of a single chassis. 4 different CTs, but they have all the same omnipods attached so the builds are all but identical. You won't be able to do that with these. You are going to have to adjust your play style to the different variants, just like the IS mechs.

Assuming that they can only fit clan weapons, More weapons means more alpha damage, but also more heat. heat will be a big limiting factor with these guys. If you want to take advantage of those added slots it will likely mean that you are going to be overheating, overheating usually equals dead in short order (I know this better than anyone as I run a lot of stock or close to stock builds).

So in short, Yes, they will be faster and hit harder than the IS mechs, but they will also be hotter and more of a challenge to master than many will like.

[RussianWolf]

Kosmaj, on 01 July 2015 - 04:43 AM, said:

i said only the problem with badges qulifies for lawsuit -.- I know my english language isn't good but i hoped i wrote clearly.

And once more argument that CW is ok but rewards aren't. So you play worser game mode because better has worser rewards? this is gold! No one, i repeat, no one is addressing the real problem of lack of content. All you say is rewards rewards, but no one points towards actual game system. For example let's turn off normal games so only you could play CW, Then ask yourself now: would i like to spend time with this game playing CW? Besides from my experience if you WIN you got more money from CW so...? Oh you wanted to say that population in CW is so low that there is no Matchmaker system and from time to time you get rolfstomped making you feel terrible? So why people don't want to play this better game mode? hmmm? You only need to do average score to get more money from CW so rewards aren't the problem. The whole mechanic behind CW is in fault. But of course it's better game mode you just don't play better modes because we all know we love playing those worser modes. ROLF

Short answer from someone who has put over $1400 into this game. Cut off the public queues and make this CW only and I will walk away. CW (at least this iteration of it) isn't what I'm interested in at all.

I'm not the type that has to win all the time, but I don't find CW fun at all.It is too limiting in terms of play style and tactics (not that the public queues are much better at this point, but at least you see a larger variety of mechs)

[Magic Murder Bag]

What's this, I take a break from this game (and all my other ones cause I can only game for so long...also Comstar is coming at me with student loans) for a wee bit and now I see a slight forum war here?



Remember, just cause this is the internet and we have something called opinions doesn't mean we have to act like two chickens trying to figure out how to lay an egg.


may be over blowing it myself again...I swear my brain has a habit of de-syncing on me.

Edited by Magic Murder Bag, 01 July 2015 - 07:54 AM.

[IraqiWalker]

Magic Murder Bag, on 01 July 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

What's this, I take a break from this game (and all my other ones cause I can only game for so long...also Comstar is coming at me with student loans) for a wee bit and now I see a slight forum war here?



Remember, just cause this is the internet and we have something called opinions doesn't mean we have to act like two chickens trying to figure out how to lay an egg.


may be over blowing it myself again...I swear my brain has a habit of de-syncing on me.

Welcome back!

It's okay. This is standard fare. I'd say this is actually quite civil compared to what we had when clans wave 1 showed up.

[Desintegrator]

More packages, more sales !
We need them all...

[Mcgral18]

Kosmaj, on 01 July 2015 - 02:12 AM, said:

"...there will be no mix- tech in game..."
Russ Bullock april 2013 in tawn hall

I think it's time to deliver you a law suit based on unfair advertising
(http://mwomercs.com/...istance-badges/)

There is no mixtech; there will not be mixtech for the foreseeable future.

You will get those badges at some point. They said they'll let you choose between the 2/8, new or old.

IraqiWalker, on 01 July 2015 - 03:22 AM, said:

By it having enough ammo for only 2.5 salvos, and not enough armor. Plus huge hunches that can't be missed, and can be hit even from behind. Out of the entire bunch, it's the weakest. I think the 2xUAC10 one will be 4 times better.

It can bring 3 tons of ammo per gun, with torso and head armour maxed; 4 points shaved off per leg and arms completely stripped.

1 tons left at that point. JJs, heatsink, laser(s). It only runs 71 Kph (Warhawk agility) and has a 200 engine, so 8 TrueDubs. Very toasty.

29 tons of guns with the 200 engine with max armour Endo+FF, 31 with the arms stripped (and 4 points from each leg).

[Gas Guzzler]

Is someone actually trying to argue that the IIC mechs are mix-tech??

Clan endo, Clan FF, Clan weapons, Clan XL, all sounds very clan to me.

Mix-tech would require one of those be IS. Like an IS AC20 among Clan Small Pulse Lasers.. that would be mix-tech.

[RussianWolf]

Gas Guzzler, on 01 July 2015 - 09:21 AM, said:

Is someone actually trying to argue that the IIC mechs are mix-tech??

Clan endo, Clan FF, Clan weapons, Clan XL, all sounds very clan to me.

Mix-tech would require one of those be IS. Like an IS AC20 among Clan Small Pulse Lasers.. that would be mix-tech.

They are simply getting confused because the basic chassis is an "IS design". Not realising that all of these are pre-exodus chassis that the clans took into exile with them, and have since upgraded to all Clan tech.

[NocturnalBeast]

RussianWolf, on 01 July 2015 - 10:57 AM, said:

They are simply getting confused because the basic chassis is an "IS design". Not realising that all of these are pre-exodus chassis that the clans took into exile with them, and have since upgraded to all Clan tech.

Actually many of the IIC mechs utilized "mixed tech", most notably the Orion which the Clans revered since it was Kerensky's mech, so they wanted to change it as little as possible from its original design when they made the IIC variant (which is only made and used by Clan Wolf , by the way).

[Av4tar]

RussianWolf, on 01 July 2015 - 10:57 AM, said:

They are simply getting confused because the basic chassis is an "IS design". Not realising that all of these are pre-exodus chassis that the clans took into exile with them, and have since upgraded to all Clan tech.

Not the clans, the SLDF took with them. After that they created the clans.
The mechs they took was Inner Sphere because everything before exodus was IS.
And IS + Clan techs is? Thats why ppl call it mixtech.

[Averen]

Widowmaker1981, on 01 July 2015 - 12:58 AM, said:

I have absolutely no idea how this can possibly be balanced.

Omnimechs are incredibly limited by the locked customisation, which balances out the obvious tech advantages. If IICs have clan tech and full customisation, how can they be anything other than flat out superior to Omnimechs?

Just look at how balanced stormcrows are in comparision to every other mech of it's class. Look at the Timber and Ebon Jaguar, and how they compare to IS - and also other clan - heavies.

And then take into account this stuff will be sold in a very expensive package. I don't think PGI intends this to be balanced.
At least if the whole balancing isn't completely overhauled before their release. The issues with certain clan mechs exist since inception and were a result of the purest pay 2 win action the game ever did.

Edited by Averen, 01 July 2015 - 11:38 AM.