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[Vulpesveritas]

Skadi, on 04 July 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

i would leave it at AC/Gundam (being similar) if we left them off the table, but as long as they are they unfairly wipe the table clean.
(also if we did include the whole universes of all given games/shows 40K would win for the reason deathstrike mentioned)

Main thing is we kinda have to leave out all transformers if we go by this thread's title anyhow.
Main thing on Armored core... is there are more of them, they have big guns on a more consistent basis, are more agile, and if we talk about AC4 NEXT type Mechs, are better armored with Primal and Assault armor. This is of course in comparison with Gundam.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 04 July 2012 - 10:04 PM.

[Skadi]

Vulpesveritas, on 04 July 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

Main thing is we kinda have to leave out all transformers if we go by this thread's title anyhow.
Main thing on Armored core... is there are more of them, they have big guns on a more consistent basis, are more agile, and if we talk about AC4 NEXT type Mechs, are better armored with Primal and Assault armor. This is of course in comparison with Gundam.

ill give it to you there (OP might wanna fix the title since he included transformers XD)

[Catamount]

Skadi, on 04 July 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

pretty much that planet exploding in his mouth during the video was a multigigaton explosion, which was like someone splashed water on him.
(and yeah i know nothing about the lore of the ship/thing you linked but holy ****.)
Edit derp thats star trek, still i dont know much about it besides basics

V'ger, like Unicron, was not a conventional character/story element, and was somewhat of a deus ex machina. What we DO know is that the thing projected out a powerful, visible, persistent energy field that extended 41AU in every direction ("over 82AU in diameter"), swatted M/AM powered starships like flies (it literally "unexisted" them ), and was easily capable of stripping the surface of a planet down to nothing in an instant with said unexisting plasma weapons.

Of course, as is normal for Trek, it wasn't a military adversary in a story involving solving problems with big guns and baysplosions. It was an enigma to be explored and solved. So the deus ex machina elements didn't hurt anything.

[Skadi]

Catamount, on 04 July 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

V'ger, like Unicron, was not a conventional character/story element, and was somewhat of a deus ex machina. What we DO know is that the thing projected out a powerful, visible, persistent energy field that extended 41AU in every direction ("over 82AU in diameter"), swatted M/AM powered starships like flies (it literally "unexisted" them ), and was easily capable of stripping the surface of a planet down to nothing in an instant with said unexisting plasma weapons.

Of course, as is normal for Trek, it wasn't a military adversary in a story involving solving problems with big guns and baysplosions. It was an enigma to be explored and solved. So the deus ex machina elements didn't hurt anything.

yeah read the article, couldnt realy beat it conventialy either they simply let it win in a way.
also BAAAAYSPLOSIONS (hate him forever for ruining the image of transformers)

[Heldenhammer]

For me, I'd really, really have to ask which Gundam series you mean. Since there's been a few dozen, it's a bit hard to tell, you know? Like...there's the original series, which was more gritty and attempted to be warlike, with the robots moving a lot more clumsily and using regular weapons only scaled up, like cannons, beam rifles, etc. And then there's series like Gundam Wing, where the protagonist's Gundam can fire a beam cannon that can destroy space colonies and puncture nuke-proof bunkers in the blink of an eye. And then you have my personal favorite for sheer amusement, Mobile Fighter G Gundam, with giant robots flipping around at hundreds of kph and punching things into nothing. That, and it's the most hilariously, hopefully unintentionally racist shows I've ever seen. (Mexico's tequila Gundam...solid gold.)

[Zakatak]

Fixed the title, and the OP

[Catamount]

Skadi, on 04 July 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

yeah read the article, couldnt realy beat it conventialy either they simply let it win in a way.
also BAAAAYSPLOSIONS (hate him forever for ruining the image of transformers)

Coming from a complete outsider's perspective, I had mixed feelings about the Transformers films. I thought that, as films, the first and third succeeded as competent lighthearted popcorn flicks, competent precisely because they didn't take themselves too seriously.

However, I do appreciate the fact that, were I fan of the series, the movies might really **** me off, because I might well see them as little more than a bad parody making a few quick bucks by whoring out a beloved franchise. Trust me, I know; that's exactly how I felt about the new Trek movie. At least, I think I hated it; it was hard to tell, because I couldn't see the film very well behind all the lens flares, but it seemed to have far less social commentary or philosophical exploration, or mind-teasing things to muse over, instead replacing all that with a glorified angry space trucker who ran around yelling "It happened! It did happen! I saw it happen! Don't tell me it didn't happen! FIRE EVERYTHING!"... but yeah, now I'm ranting.

The point is, I understand.

Edited by Catamount, 04 July 2012 - 10:21 PM.

[Captain Fabulous]

Who cares?

Chicks Dig Giant Robots.

Edited by Captain Fabulous, 04 July 2012 - 10:29 PM.

[Lipot]

Well I voted Destroids as being the superior even though they are some of the slowest mechs listed. The reason why is that even the weakest destroid was built to shoot down a Zentradi battle cruiser. Given the fact of the size of the Titan from the WH40k universe, it would be crap shooting. As for the faster Zoids, Gundams, and Armour Cores it would be based on which destroid they went against as well as payloads for the ones that use missiles. The Vertical Tanks I feel are under powered for their potential. As for cool, despite being a huge Battletech/Mechwarrior fan, I voted for Gundams. That being said, most of them are still not that great. But I have to admit that the Crossbone Gundam with the multitude of melee weapons that don't need energy and the multi-shot beam cannon is cool.

[Vechs]

While the Battletech universe is my favorite mecha universe, the post powerful mecha in combat would be the new Armored Core NEXTs from Armored Core 4 and Armored Core For Answer.

They have almost as much firepower available to them as an Imperial Titan (wipe out a city or a big chunk of the countryside) while also having extreme maneuverability and durability.

But like I said, Battletech is my favorite. Just because lore-wise it's more powerful doesn't mean the games are more enjoyable.

Edit:

And the vertical tanks from Steel Battalion are easily the weakest in combat.

I think the votes are just biased because people are voting their favorites, and either don't know about all the mecha involved, or don't care.

Edited by Vechs, 04 July 2012 - 10:44 PM.

[Team Leader]

I'm pretty sure most transformers are nearly immortal, and are basically living creatures themselves almost, plus they have unlimited ammuntion and are quite agile for their size. I'm sure in a straight fight they would destroy almost any number of battle mechs. On the other hand, they are pretty weak compared to anything else.

[Vulpesveritas]

Also @Zakatak; Depending on which arc you are talking about, Armored Core takes place millenium into the future after nuclear war wipes out the majoity of the survival on the surface of the earth. AC/2's arc took place decades after AC/1, (then the series more or less started again with the same exact plot but different companies and a far better story line IMO) and AC3 mechs became 'normals' in AC4, which could be debated to take place in the same universe a few hundred years later after the surface had finally been recolonized. (In AC: LR [end of AC3 arc] only one continent had really been recolonized much at all.)

[Kyuzo]

you forgot to put up AFW's of Ring Of Red game (2001 PS2)

[Toshogu]

seriously? most superior is battletech!? ***** please, Titans, Gundams, (power ranger stuff) would rape face on battletech stuff and in that order. Unfortunately Battletech kinda likes to stick to the realistic side of things so you're not going to get the retardation like you would from anime.

Team Leader, on 04 July 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure most transformers are nearly immortal, and are basically living creatures themselves almost, plus they have unlimited ammuntion and are quite agile for their size. I'm sure in a straight fight they would destroy almost any number of battle mechs. On the other hand, they are pretty weak compared to anything else.

Transformers would get wrecked. in battletech. They would hold their own against the light mechs, but the second a lance of mediums and heavies roll in, it's game over. Also aside from a few select transformers they would be armed with what battletech would consider MG class weapons.

[Kyuzo]

you have to compare Dreadnoughts(WH40k) to battletech titans are wayyyyy bigger than anything battletech has like 2 godzilla's stacked ontop of the other.

[Toshogu]

Lipot, on 04 July 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Well I voted Destroids as being the superior even though they are some of the slowest mechs listed. The reason why is that even the weakest destroid was built to shoot down a Zentradi battle cruiser. Given the fact of the size of the Titan from the WH40k universe, it would be crap shooting. As for the faster Zoids, Gundams, and Armour Cores it would be based on which destroid they went against as well as payloads for the ones that use missiles. The Vertical Tanks I feel are under powered for their potential. As for cool, despite being a huge Battletech/Mechwarrior fan, I voted for Gundams. That being said, most of them are still not that great. But I have to admit that the Crossbone Gundam with the multitude of melee weapons that don't need energy and the multi-shot beam cannon is cool.

armored core stuff is about lightmech scale in battletech. tho unlike transformers they can hit like mediums

[Kyuzo]

so wait am the only one whose heard and played Ring Of Red? honestly? it was literally FF8 of mechs.

[Vulpesveritas]

Toshogu, on 04 July 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

armored core stuff is about lightmech scale in battletech. tho unlike transformers they can hit like mediums

Armored Core 5 mechs yes, Armored core 1-4 no.
Old AC 1-4 mechs average 20 meters tall, and weigh in at thousands of tons. AC 4 NEXT class ACs have Primal / assault armor energy shields and can carry cannons capable of wiping out cities. Even late gen AC3 ACs had durability far beyond that of even the most heavily armored Battlemech, and can carry railguns capable of wiping out city blocks.
All while being able to travel at 300-500kph for extended periods of time and 1000+kph for a short duration.
Oh and they can fly.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 04 July 2012 - 11:10 PM.

[Ubermunkey]

Sadly, I had to put Titans on top as the superior, VT as inferior, and Armored Core as cooler. Though, it is a CLOSE call between AC and mechs as which is cooler. Titans are superior simply because even the smallest Titan out masses, armors, and guns the heaviest of mechs. And mobility and accuracy matters for little when the sheer amount of firepower a vulcan megabolter can pore down field makes up for any differences in quality. Gundam...ehhhhhhhh Using 00 gundam as a reference is a poor choice. Now if you were dealing with Universal Century units...then they clearly trump out the armored core folk as being cooler. Anything not UC in the gundam universe is pretty much overpowered and unrealistic fluff. Plus...funnels.

[Scilya]

sorry guys but gundam would win,..