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[Hades Trooper]

I was gonna come up with some snappy retort, but you know, as this person said, sure it's not pay to win but Pay 4 Power.

Can't disagree with that. Call it what u like i've in the past said the same, it's not pay to win but pay for early access. Which in effect is to get the shinies before anyone else and thus get a chance to lord over people in an OP mech that was poorly thought out and will need to be nerfed once PGI gets enough datat which is gonna take a few months and logical in the past once they come for c-bills its then they normally get the nerf hammer.

So while in the tradition sense it's not P2W, but it sure darn feels like.

Now with this early adopter format of packs it feels even more so.

I beg for anyone to dispute that the 4th variant in all those mechs has a onmi-pod that just doesn't scream out to being OP. Not talking specifically about wave 4

I'd like to see PGI get back to a c-bills release being if not at the same time but very closely to the rl $$$.

I'd like to see PGI put value into the packs with extra goodies and stuff that isn't about just early access and this P2W mantra will go away.

If you release mech pack XYZ and give the same mech for c-bills, but the pack for XYZ, all mechs come with c-bill bonus, extra colours, extra whatever. Then we could honestly say well noes got an advantage, it's really what gives the best value for buck in your eyes as to which u pick up.

then we can truly stop this P2W or however people want to word it.

now before some person with less than half a brain cell runs off in another direction.

I'm talking about early access and value for money.

I"m not talking about comparing the bloody mechs in the new wave to the current IS mechs, If your that dumb to go off in a completely different tangent than please don't post.


So basically for the dummies or anyone who can't get the insight into my mad ramblings at times.

Should PGI be looking to sell packs based on value for money, rather than the pay now for early access mantra.

To me, c-bill boost variants, custome camo, extra colours, extra prem time, etc are value for money things worth pay upfront for. Early access is just food for those who cry Pay 4 Power or that P2W mantra.

If where heading towards an e-sports mentality can we leave the p2w behind us and just put more bang for buck in packs so people are wanting to buy them?

Edited by Hades Trooper, 01 July 2015 - 07:44 AM.

[kesmai]

You do not need to spend money on a free to play game. especially on this one, where you get 3-6 mechbays for free per year or even free mechs etc.

[FupDup]

Having the mechs be available for C-Bills initially, but at a really high inflated cost for the first few months, would prevent this entirely.

But instead, we've seen shenanigans in the past like the Timber Wolf -- best mech in the game -- being paywalled for several months on end.

[Hades Trooper]

kesmai, on 01 July 2015 - 07:36 AM, said:

You do not need to spend money on a free to play game. especially on this one, where you get 3-6 mechbays for free per year or even free mechs etc.

LOL, ok, u had me going then. Dont need to spend money? true u don't need to, but without any extra mech bays it's almost impossible.

Even though i never did it as i dislike the Timberwolf, i can not dispute the amount of pain they cause to the haves and have not for that 3 month period where those who didn't pony up $$$ got pawned.

Or do u pick and choose which memories are revelant.

So please go talk ******** to someone else who's willing to eat that crap when u say, no need to spend money.

You honestly can't dispute the power those who spend $$$ have others that don't.

FupDup, on 01 July 2015 - 07:36 AM, said:

Having the mechs be available for C-Bills initially, but at a really high inflated cost for the first few months, would prevent this entirely.

But instead, we've seen shenanigans in the past like the Timber Wolf -- best mech in the game -- being paywalled for several months on end.

Now thats a great idea.

sure the grind would be huge but then there still not REQUIRED to spend and not behind a paywall. i like the idea

[Damien Tokala]

There's nothing the ebon can do, that a Jager can not.

There's nothing an executioner can do besides MASC, that a gargoyle can not.

Every other clan mech is able to be bought with cbills.
Every IS mech can be bought with cbills.

I have just brutally murdered your argument.

[mogs01gt]

kesmai, on 01 July 2015 - 07:36 AM, said:

You do not need to spend money on a free to play game. especially on this one, where you get 3-6 mechbays for free per year or even free mechs etc.

umm no.

The only way you get freebies is if you have already spent real money that year and if you are successful in every tournament/event. Example: I could have been #1 on the Gray Death list but didnt have the time to play.

In MWO, time=money. It takes hours upon hours just to purchase a single mech with Cbills and that isnt even possible if you dont have the mech bay available.


To help this issues with wasting Cbills to level mechs, a rental program should be created.

Edited by mogs01gt, 01 July 2015 - 07:55 AM.

[MerryIguana]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:

There's nothing the ebon can do, that a Jager can not.

Jag can do 8 energy now?

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:

There's nothing an executioner can do besides MASC, that a gargoyle can not.

Lots of jumping gargs around these days?

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:

Every IS mech can be bought with cbills.

Heroes say hi.

Edited by MerryIguana, 01 July 2015 - 08:04 AM.

[Damien Tokala]

Timber can do 8 energy.

Jager can do high mount ballistics

People are lying to themselves if they think jump jets do anything for the executioner

[GreyNovember]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:

There's nothing the ebon can do, that a Jager can not.

There's nothing an executioner can do besides MASC, that a gargoyle can not.

Every other clan mech is able to be bought with cbills.
Every IS mech can be bought with cbills.

I have just brutally murdered your argument.

The EBJ can massively laser vomit, or Dual Gauss. The Jager does one of these things.

[FupDup]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:

There's nothing the ebon can do, that a Jager can not.

The Jager can't use Clan tech or go at 89 kph.

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:

There's nothing an executioner can do besides MASC, that a gargoyle can not.

Why are we using the Gargolye as the baseline here? It's a derp mech.

That being said, the Exe can viably run modest ballistic loadouts and even missiles if you're in the mood to derp it up. The Glarg is pretty much energy-only. Also, the Exe has very high-mounted torso hardpoints, while the Gargoyle's mounts are all very low. Hoverjets as a bonus.

The Exe isn't that great (for example, ridiculously constricted torso twist radius), but comparing it to the Gargles is just plain silly because of the Gargles' suboptimal construction...

[MerryIguana]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

People are lying to themselves

Some more than others.

[Lord Perversor]

And Hades Trooper tries again to sway the forums on his P2W argument..

KJust curious it never gets boring try the very same post time after time just to sprung the very same answers?

[Hades Trooper]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 07:53 AM, said:

There's nothing the ebon can do, that a Jager can not.

There's nothing an executioner can do besides MASC, that a gargoyle can not.

Every other clan mech is able to be bought with cbills.
Every IS mech can be bought with cbills.

I have just brutally murdered your argument.

jagger is not a clan mech, so you loss

Now as for my point, you didn't address a single one,

you pathetic attempt to say there is no power creep is laughable joke at best and i'm being kinda is saying your laughable and not an outright tool

[Gas Guzzler]

Can't you just be thankful you have people to fund the game for you?

[Damien Tokala]

I own the exe, and it had to be one of the most boringly frustrating mechs to master, on the other hand, I've actually rather enjoyed the gargy primes stock load, and have on multiple occasions managed to sneak up and rip through a dires spine.

Jager was a reference to the high mount ballistics that people claim are unfair on the ebon, it might not laser boat, but it can certainly take that dual gauss sniper role.

The Timber can laser vomit just the same, and so can the Nova, the hellbringer can too, but it's just not as heat efficient.

The gargoyle was a reference to the fact that it, and the exe both carry a set of energy heavy arm mounts, that always seem to try and murder the floor.

The fact still stands, besides MASC, you're really not missing out on much.

Edited by Damien Tokala, 01 July 2015 - 08:18 AM.

[Hades Trooper]

Lord Perversor, on 01 July 2015 - 08:09 AM, said:

And Hades Trooper tries again to sway the forums on his P2W argument..

KJust curious it never gets boring try the very same post time after time just to sprung the very same answers?

An again we have a moron who has no idea at all who or what i stand for.

I'm sorry but i call a spade a spade not a shovel, do you understand that now?

I have Founders tags, full wave 1 and 2 purchases, plus some resistance mechs, so a little FYI matey. So i have ponied up the cash dimwit and yet as someone who's gotten the shinies early.

I"m sorry but it was a pay 4 power situation. I was there, i was lording it over people in my Summoners and whales.

So i'm sorry i'm not some cheap arse cash strapped cry baby u keep trying to imply. I'm just giving an honest view on how i see the game as it currently is.



Now for everyone who talking about mech comparisons, please get back on topic or post else where.

The TOPIC is

Are mech packs sold on an early access/pay 4 power system or are they really being sold on mech pack value?

I know it would be good to test this theory by making new mechs in mech packs come out as same time for c-bills but put a tax, for lack of a better word ( i'm no wordsmith), so there a higher cost than normal intitially.

Then those wouldn't be behind a paywall and if these packs are truly value for money than just pay 4 power they would sell just as well now.

Edited by Hades Trooper, 01 July 2015 - 08:21 AM.

[Damien Tokala]

And you wanna know the funny part? They may have added negative quirks to the Timber, but when it comes to my 7 med pulse build, that I have on both it and the ebon, I'm still preferential to the Timber, because it still cools down faster, despite having the exact same heat efficiency.

Not only that, it takes more punishment.

[TWIAFU]

kesmai, on 01 July 2015 - 07:36 AM, said:

You do not need to spend money on a free to play game. especially on this one, where you get 3-6 mechbays for free per year or even free mechs etc.

Kes, it's a lame rant that someone is spending money while someone else isn't, can't, or won't.

Take care Kes, cyas on the field!

[Alan Davion]

Hades Trooper, on 01 July 2015 - 08:20 AM, said:

An again we have a moron who has no idea at all who or what i stand for.

I'm sorry but i call a spade a spade not a shovel, do you understand that now?

I have Founders tags, full wave 1 and 2 purchases, plus some resistance mechs, so a little FYI matey. So i have ponied up the cash dimwit and yet as someone who's gotten the shinies early.

I"m sorry but it was a pay 4 power situation. I was there, i was lording it over people in my Summoners and whales.

So i'm sorry i'm not some cheap arse cash strapped cry baby u keep trying to imply. I'm just giving an honest view on how i see the game as it currently is.



Now for everyone who talking about mech comparisons, please get back on topic or post else where.

The TOPIC is

Are mech packs sold on an early access/pay 4 power system or are they really being sold on mech pack value?

I know it would be good to test this theory by making new mechs in mech packs come out as same time for c-bills but put a tax, for lack of a better word ( i'm no wordsmith), so there a higher cost than normal intitially.

Then those wouldn't be behind a paywall and if these packs are truly value for money than just pay 4 power they would sell just as well now.

Dude, I suggest you can the name calling, or you'll have a lot more to worry about than "Pay 2 Win" or "Pay 4 Power". You'll have to worry about people reporting you and PGI dropping sanctions on you.

[reign]

There Sold based on a early use bases.. as I had said in a *ahem* deleted post. I don't find anything in Wave II or Wave III (I focused on Wave III) Over powered.

And they took a Sledge hammer to Wave I Mechs.