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[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Was really looking forward to the Thunderbolt Hero. Was expecting something like this :

Energy range +25%
Medium laser range +25%

and this is what we get :

Energy Range +5% .......

*facepalm*

Would have made a great medium laser boat that you could at least fight the clans with, but sadly you cant. The whole reason the other Thunderbolts are good is because of the range boosts!

TDR-9SE - Large Pulse Range
TDR-9S - ERPPC Range
TDR-5SS - Medium Pulse Range
TDR-5S - Large Laser Range

If this is a taste of whats to come for the Black Knight in september, PGI are going to have alot of unhappy customers. Im hoping for energy efficiency and range for the Black Knight, but this is not a good sign.

[Kira Onime]

It was said to not even have quirks before release and they don't want it to be a "pay 2 win" mech.

[ilikerice]

The reason it ISN'T good is because it's a hero...

Can't have people complaining about pay to win.

[VanguardMk1]

Personal opinion: the 5SS is way overquirked

Probable reason why the quirks are smaller is because large quirks generate a lot of hate on either the IS or Clan side, so they've been playing it save with the quirks on new mech. I think a +12.5% armor and +12.5% structure is already great, making it pretty tanky for a thunderbolt. The Resistance 1 mechs haven't received large quirks either except for maybe armor buffs on the Zeus. Perhaps the quirks will be altered later when we've played a little with it.

I do think you're a bit spoiled when you expect super quirks on all new mechs, that's no way to balance this game.

[Eximar]

The quirks are defensive. Did you happen to notice the rest of them compared to other Tbolts?

Acceleration Rate (Low, Med, & High Speeds): +10%
Deceleration Rate (Low, Med, & High Speeds): +10%
Turn Rate (Low, Med. & High Speeds): +10%
Armor Strength (Full Body): +12.5%
Structure Strength (Full Body): +12.5%
Torso Turn Angle (Yaw): +9
Torso Turn Rate (Yaw): +10%

[Ultimax]

Russ thinks this mech having 9 energy hardpoints that it's going to be "a beast" (town-hall).


Unfortunately the reality is that 9 IS energy hardpoints are only worth about 6 clan energy hardpoints - and you can at best eek out a tiny little advantage if you relegate your mech to 250m range engagements with MPLs.


Otherwise, it's a Thunderbolt, without any real firepower quirks so it should demonstrate how mediocre and sub-par TDRs were before the quirkening.

[Sigilum Sanctum]

You EXPECTED 25% range buffs?

You're funny.

[Sarlic]

Sorry no offense. This, ladies and gentlemen is a fine example of a powercreep.

[Kira Onime]

Also, better to have something come out on the UP side of the spectrum and gradually shift it towards a balanced state instead of having it come out OP and "Pay 2 win".

[Sable]

See it's a problem when people start expecting every IS mech to have bloated quirks. It's tankier than every other mech of it's size. I think someone said it even has the most structure HPs of any mech in the game.

[Ultimax]

Sable, on 08 July 2015 - 09:41 AM, said:

See it's a problem when people start expecting every IS mech to have bloated quirks.

Yes the problem is that IS weaponry is by and large completely inferior.

IS engine options are also completely inferior.


So players expect quirks to make up the difference, since there is zero indication that the weapons or factional tech bases are going to be balanced on their own merits.

[Sarlic]

Ultimatum X, on 08 July 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

Yes the problem is that IS weaponry is by and large completely inferior.

IS engine options are also completely inferior.


So players expect quirks to make up the difference, since there is zero indication that the weapons or factional tech bases are going to be balanced on their own merits.

And that's exactly the reason why the quirk and all these silly proposals are getting out of hand. People are getting more and higher expectations.

[DONTOR]

Eximar, on 08 July 2015 - 09:38 AM, said:

Armor Strength (Full Body): +12.5%
Structure Strength (Full Body): +12.5%

Is THIS a joke? F*** range, you won the armor/structure lottery.

[Ultimax]

Sarlic, on 08 July 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

And that's exactly the reason why the quirk and all these silly proposals are getting out of hand. People are getting more and higher expectations.

They aren't "higher" expectations, they are baseline expectations.

[Gas Guzzler]

Well I would hope the BK has some quirks that are better than the Grasshoppers but maybe not TDR level..

I really want them to make it the best option for IS heavies. I don't want to have to say "I could take a BK, but a Tbolt is just as good/better for 10 less tons".

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Sable, on 08 July 2015 - 09:41 AM, said:

I think someone said it even has the most structure HPs of any mech in the game.

If you do the math, it gets about as much internal structure as a 75 ton mech, nothing to write home about, but a decent boost.

[Pjwned]

The fact that people expect ridiculous +25% quirks really shows how busted quirks are.

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Gas Guzzler, on 08 July 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

Well I would hope the BK has some quirks that are better than the Grasshoppers but maybe not TDR level..

I really want them to make it the best option for IS heavies. I don't want to have to say "I could take a BK, but a Tbolt is just as good/better for 10 less tons".

I feel the same way. Im thinking + 10% to general stats ( laser range, heat efficiency etc ), and maybe pick 1 type of laser and give it another 10%, add structure armor % like this Thunderbolt and we have a winner.

Pjwned, on 08 July 2015 - 10:25 AM, said:

The fact that people expect ridiculous +25% quirks really shows how busted quirks are.

The Thunderbolts need good quirks to compete against heavier mechs in the solo que ( Timberwolf etc )

[Sir Wulfrick]

Obviously the Tbolt needs powerful quirks because as it is it's obviously under-powered, unpopular and weak compare to... Oh, hang on...

[GRiPSViGiL]

Sarlic, on 08 July 2015 - 09:40 AM, said:

Sorry no offense. This, ladies and gentlemen is a fine example of a powercreep.

Been obvious for quite some.