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[Doktor Schmerz]

Let's get some things straight first before you read any further...

1) If you do not think clan mechs are overpowered, you sir/mam are completely oblivious and should seek serious medical attention.

2) BT/Mech lore cannot dictate mech competitiveness in a game where a primary mode has two sides fighting against one another with everything else still being equal. If we want to go to lore land, then how about the IS get more mechs to drop with then? The lore excuse is a convenient argument for clanners that are in power to stay there.

3) This is a call for balance. Why? Because playing a game that isn't equal isn't fun. I don't care if that ruins your clanner lore dream fantasy. Hell, it doesn't even have to be exactly equal, I like a challenge, but things are too far apart. The current situation is analogous to an MLB team on steroids vs. an asthmatic high school team. Its not fun to play.

4) PGI has the right to write their own page in mech lore and improve upon the foundation of the game and should do so. Anyone who says otherwise is, in my opinion, a pretentious ass.

Whatever PGI just did to clan ballistics was a mistake. I don't care if they sucked before for you, they were supposed to. Every ******* weapon system clans get to have is half the tonnage of IS, if not exactly half, it is close to it or has some other benefit. With that, there was the notion that something must suck to balance it out, extra heat, longer duration, etc... It seems that this is no longer the case for ballistics. Fix it, period.

Fix the damned stormcrow already, I'm tired of this medium mech being such a pain in the ass. The thing is unhittable half the time due to ****** hitboxes and not recognizing damage. I'm not sure how many times people need to say this about this mech before it gets fixed. If you can't fix it soon, take it out of the game, or at least CW.

While you're working on the stormcrow, have a go over of the ice ferret. GCGB actually uses a tactic of bringing a whole ferret wave because they are broken as well.

If Inner Sphere weaponry is to remain heavier, damage should be increased. No quirking, no cheeky antics, just give us more damage so that we can stay on par with clan mechs.

I also want to be able to blow one side torso with an XL and still live, OR have clanners blow up with from only one torso.

I want IS gauss ammo to weigh less than clans'. Increase it to 15-20 rounds per ton, that would make more IS bring gauss and even the field against the clans who get several tons extra to put in just because their guns weigh less.

Give us more arm hardpoints that can actually fit gauss, because anything in the chest is a death sentence because you have to run an XL engine in order for the mech to be weight viable.

The raven should also go 192 kph again. IS needs better lights, you took away our light rush ability in CW anyway. And by better, yes, dare I say it, better than clan mechs.

There should also be modules for other various things on weapons and mechs. Range and cooldown are a good start, but how about other things like velocity and heat generation?

IS narc should cancel ECM in a significant radius ~200m.

I'd also enjoy a projectile explosive that uses the narc mechanic in that it sticks to mechs, but then explodes after a duration.

All consumables should be able to be taken twice if desired.

This is all heresy necessary, but it must be done in order for this game to grow in popularity and viability for new players. I'm also sure other people will have great ideas to contribute as well. Please join the discussion.

[LordBraxton]

I switched to Turkeys because I bought clan mechs for cbills and then bought wave 3. No point in touching my 80 some IS mechs anymore. ESPECIALLY after the Tuesday patch... I was rocking with UACs since the last buff. Now they are god tier! IS has fallen far behind, and TTK is through the floor. IS advantage comes from specialization. Slow-speed-specialist-glass-cannons have no place in a game where TTK is this low. Any mech can alpha another mech down in 2-4 shots. Might as well grab a 90kph heavy omni and go to town.

Edited by LordBraxton, 09 July 2015 - 05:49 AM.

[Throat Punch]

I need serious medical attention it seems...hmmmmm

[kesmai]

Whatever.

walloftext.

Edited by kesmai, 09 July 2015 - 05:53 AM.

[Rhaythe]

Clans don't need to be rebalanaced. They need to be finished. For an "asymmetrical" class of mech, each one really just plays like a slightly different IS mech. Clan tech should play different. The multiple-shell ACs were a good start at this. LRMs, to a lesser extent. But that's where the differences stop. Aside from different burn times and damage, clan lasers and SRMs are exactly the same as IS.

For true asymmetrical gameplay, Clan weapons should have operated differently. For example, lasers have a charge that is used when holding down the fire button. Release, and the lasers stop firing and the charge rebuilds. This could allow for light damage at first, then increased damage the longer the laser is on target. It would play differently than IS, but not necessarily better.

But no. Minimum viable product. So clanners get time and damage modifiers instead.

[JohnnyWayne]

Doktor Schmerz, on 09 July 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

Let's get some things straight first before you read any further...

1) If you do not think clan mechs are overpowered, you sir/mam are completely oblivious and should seek serious medical attention.

Stopped reading there, L2p. Get your ******* quirks and GG, OP IS player.

Oh well who am I talking to. Probably someone that can only afford IS mechs that never piloted a clan mech besides maybe TBR and SCR.

Edited by JohnnyWayne, 09 July 2015 - 06:16 AM.

[WarHippy]

Doktor Schmerz, on 09 July 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

Let's get some things straight first before you read any further...

1) If you do not think clan mechs are overpowered, you sir/mam are completely oblivious and should seek serious medical attention.

Anyone that from the start that states their opinion as the only valid opinion, and that anyone who might have a different view needs to seek medical attention should not be taken seriously under any circumstances. Learn how to have a grownup conversation without the juvenile drivel.

I personally prefer my IS mechs as they feel much better and more efficient than any of my Clan mechs. That isn't to say the Clan mechs are not strong because some of them are indeed very strong, but I really do not consider them to be in any way overpowered.

Doktor Schmerz, on 09 July 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

4) PGI has the right to write their own page in mech lore and improve upon the foundation of the game and should do so. Anyone who says otherwise is, in my opinion, a pretentious ass.

Who is more pretentious the one who feels that a singular company that temporarily holds the rights to one aspect of a franchise with 30 years of history and shouldn't be allowed to do whatever they want beyond reason, or the one who thinks said company should be able to trump the work of many others that have been around longer than they have? I will give you a hint. The pretentious ass is the one who thinks his opinion is the only one that matters and tries to shut down debate by belittling anyone with a different view point before they even have a chance to respond.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

Isn't PGI already doing a complete rebalance that's due out in a couple months?

[JohnnyWayne]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 09 July 2015 - 06:19 AM, said:

Isn't PGI already doing a complete rebalance that's due out in a couple months?

Yes, but hes not going to like it I guess.

[Rhaythe]

WarHippy, on 09 July 2015 - 06:18 AM, said:

Who is more pretentious the one who feels that a singular company that temporarily holds the rights to one aspect of a franchise with 30 years of history and shouldn't be allowed to do whatever they want beyond reason, or the one who thinks said company should be able to trump the work of many others that have been around longer than they have? I will give you a hint. The pretentious ass is the one who thinks his opinion is the only one that matters and tries to shut down debate by belittling anyone with a different view point before they even have a chance to respond.

Just to play devil's advocate, that's essentially what every Mechwarrior single-player game has ever done. Each one attempts to tell a story in the BattleTech universe in some fashion and, therefore, ends up writing a page in BT lore. Hell, even MechAssault is listed on sarna at this point.

[MechWarrior849305]

What I can't kill is OP. Sure TS has to learn to aim and kill mechs I guess

[Kira Onime]

So you start your wall of text by saying "Clans are OP, you're an idiot if you think like me".

Yeah, not gona give a **** about your wall of text when you start with that kind of statement.

[JohnnyWayne]

Rhaythe, on 09 July 2015 - 06:22 AM, said:

Just to play devil's advocate, that's essentially what every Mechwarrior single-player game has ever done. Each one attempts to tell a story in the BattleTech universe in some fashion and, therefore, ends up writing a page in BT lore. Hell, even MechAssault is listed on sarna at this point.

As far as I remember, none of them is canon.

[Rhaythe]

JohnnyWayne, on 09 July 2015 - 06:27 AM, said:

As far as I remember, none of them is canon.

They aren't explicitly, but the creators of BT admit they fudge with that a little bit. For example, the calliope turret:
http://www.sarna.net...rret#Canonicity

[Coralld]

Narcissistic Martyr, on 09 July 2015 - 06:19 AM, said:

Isn't PGI already doing a complete rebalance that's due out in a couple months?

I was just about to say, PGI is going to do another balance pass with every mech and equipment, they specifically said that this is in the works. Crying for making things more balanced when PGI stated that they were going to do this already is childish.
As for what those balance changes will be we don't know yet.

[WarHippy]

Rhaythe, on 09 July 2015 - 06:22 AM, said:

Just to play devil's advocate, that's essentially what every Mechwarrior single-player game has ever done. Each one attempts to tell a story in the BattleTech universe in some fashion and, therefore, ends up writing a page in BT lore. Hell, even MechAssault is listed on sarna at this point.

Most of those games had single player campaigns that told stories based on the lore. There was some embellishment for the sake of the player, but core principals were maintained to a certain extent. However, what the OP is advocating for is complete freedom for the devs to do whatever they want like 192kph Raven's, sticky bombs, and absurd stat and hard point changes to IS equipment and mechs.

[Rhaythe]

WarHippy, on 09 July 2015 - 06:35 AM, said:

Most of those games had single player campaigns that told stories based on the lore. There was some embellishment for the sake of the player, but core principals were maintained to a certain extent. However, what the OP is advocating for is complete freedom for the devs to do whatever they want like 192kph Raven's, sticky bombs, and absurd stat and hard point changes to IS equipment and mechs.

Agreed, just saying that there is some precident for creative leeway. Though obviously not lore-based absurdity.

[Wronka]

The thread didn't start off very well but the guy is mostly right. PGI thinks he's right. That's why you have clans with negative quirks and IS mechs with up to 50% boosts. Clan nut swingers will always swoop in and claim IS mechs are OP, to protect their powerful mechs, but the reality is IS mechs as a whole are rather lacking when you take out the few high quirked ones that are actually on par with nerfed clans today. There would not be a complete re-balance coming if there wasn't a problem with IS mechs as a whole, no matter if you think they are over or under powered.

Edited by Wronka, 09 July 2015 - 06:57 AM.

[spottiedogman]

The OP must have just come out of a CW round to be this upset! OP you should know by now that talking about someone's favorite mech is worse than talking about his wife if he has one or favorite pet.

My opinion about lore is that if we were holding to lore(which we are not unless suits the situation) then IS would field more mechs than the Clans just for starters not to mention all the other issues that go against lore amd TT.

[Paigan]

Doktor Schmerz, on 09 July 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

Let's get some things straight first before you read any further...

1) If you do not think clan mechs are overpowered, you sir/mam are completely oblivious and should seek serious medical attention.
[...]

Hoho.
If you sir think that many IS Mechs with 25% or even 50% quirks are not overpowered and must be seriously nerfed, you should seek serious medical attention. And not just for the pain, but the brain.
Schmerzen, kei Witz ^^

That much just as an example on how biased and naiv your statement is.
Especially since it does not provide any arguments (as opposed to my statement because 50% quirks, which can by applying basic math can result in 200% dps in case of cooldown, are obviously a game breaking joke in themselves).

To get the topic to a more mature level:
- Clan tech is SUPPOSED to be technologically better.
- Balance is paramount nevertheless and should be achieved by more elegant means, like e.g. more tactical viablity for IS (more tonnage, more and meaner consumables like mines etc).

If all the whiners couls stop with their childish whining and think about some reasonable (asymmetrical) balance, I would be so glad.

Edited by Paigan, 09 July 2015 - 07:03 AM.