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[Toaster Repair Pony]

Commissar Aku, on 10 July 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

I am going to go with you all suck, you lazy P.O.S. never defended any of the IS from the clans instead you bickered and whined and did nothing while mercs defended your borders. In my opinion you guys are all as bad as those no good dirty Gate Keeper Liao.

Stoneblade, on 10 July 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

See? I knew he would show up...eventually.

Commissar Aku everyone... Round of applause. /clap

[ccrider]

Annnnnddddd....the train just went spinning off the tracks. I remember posting in this thread; but after aku's post everything else said is a blue. Everything before it too. Gonna just assume this is a normal thread and end this with:
Capellans have terrible hair. Bow down to my glorious Davion locks.

[Wolf Clearwater]

[Damon Howe]

Anything Aku says should be taken with a grain of salt...and by that I mean the whole damn salt mine.

[Wolf Clearwater]

Btw, just because I have seen this mentioned frequently (sorry, I am not going back to dig up quotes), and not just in this thread: One of the reasons Marik, Liao and Davion have little merc traffic is because of the general lack of activity in CW. I know this, because it was one of the deciding factors in how we scheduled our time in each, as well as discussions with other merc company COs. Your three factions are viewed as a vacation spot, somewhere you spend two weeks where you might acquire a mechbay, do pretty much nothing, and then get back to "the real fighting". Take that as you will, I am not trying to start up the Succession Wars between you or poke fun. I am good with blunt honesty, not so much of a diplomat.

[Stoneblade]

Wolf Clearwater, on 10 July 2015 - 05:04 PM, said:

Btw, just because I have seen this mentioned frequently (sorry, I am not going back to dig up quotes), and not just in this thread: One of the reasons Marik, Liao and Davion have little merc traffic is because of the general lack of activity in CW. I know this, because it was one of the deciding factors in how we scheduled our time in each, as well as discussions with other merc company COs. Your three factions are viewed as a vacation spot, somewhere you spend two weeks where you might acquire a mechbay, do pretty much nothing, and then get back to "the real fighting". Take that as you will, I am not trying to start up the Succession Wars between you or poke fun. I am good with blunt honesty, not so much of a diplomat.

Honestly this is exactly what needs to change.

[Lucity]

[Commissar Aku]

Stoneblade, on 10 July 2015 - 06:22 PM, said:

Honestly this is exactly what needs to change.

The FLH runs CW every Thursday at 7pm MST, you guys have our TS if you want some people to come play with. I personally won't play as a dirty Liao but the rest of the guys would be more than willing to share knowledge we have learned from fighting as both IS and Clans to help get you past all the figuring out and butthurt it takes to fight the "real fight".

Also if you don't want me posting on your **** I would recommend not mentioning me so much, I can't help but post.

[Timicon]

I should have stayed on Boardwalk and taken a desk job...

[Vandril]

Zvolimir the Blackhand, on 10 July 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

I can't imagine why I'd be all in a huff. First of all, let's talk about the whole "Marik Leadership" thing like it's an actual thing? And I never spoke out of turn for any unit that didn't approach me. Sorry for not including 4TCR in the talks, but it's quite obvious we can't work together in any capacity. So as far as not being contacted as "leadership" - let's not call it what it isn't.

Well well, I guess either you have a ghost writer or you don't remember what you say. Let's see what you said just on this post about leading the faction...

Zvolimir the Blackhand, on 09 July 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

Buddy, we ARE leadership in House Liao. There's no more cohesion between units here, but a few of us have talked to one another and we've decided it's no longer an issue, since Marik has never really returned friendship or aid.

Zvolimir the Blackhand, on 10 July 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

I have no idea who you are. What I'm tired of are Liaoists who regularly make the wrong choice for the community at large and I have no more patience for each person who thinks their idea are new, or that the Command Staff hasn't made a far-ranging prognostication as to the results of our actions. No, you came in here all huffy. With who? Oh yeah...those guys. I've been talking with "Marik leadership" since the nSL catastrophe - until they all evaporated. We stopped posting that info when the Liao community vomited all that hate on us WAY BACK WHEN...

Sure seems like you are claiming to speak for the faction..... even if it is obvious you don't.

Zvolimir the Blackhand, on 10 July 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

You wouldn't really know, having never attended any sort of meeting, ever...now would you? Or any member of your unit?

Ummm .... read the posts. I'll post them for your ease of reading....

Murakaigan, on 10 July 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

Oh this is just about the Gatekeepers? With a title like Renew CW Initiative I thought you are calling all of house Liao. My Bad
Good luck on your offensive.

Zvolimir the Blackhand, on 10 July 2015 - 10:07 AM, said:

My point exactly.

Stoneblade, on 10 July 2015 - 11:17 AM, said:

(Yeah the quotes work now)

Let me point this out: I started this post to renew interest for the WHOLE FACTION, not just the Loyalist units. Those Mercs who are coming here for mech bays? Let get this going. Although [FLH] has some members that opening mock my unit in every match I see them: I hold no grudge against them. I want them and other units to enjoy CW on the Liao front. In order to do that: we have to have open attack lanes. As a small faction: we have to form CW groups using the LFG tab. Do I run around jumping up and down about unit sizes? NO. Because it is pointless. Just because your unit has XXX ammount of members doesn't mean you have 100% attendance to all things your unit does, so unit size doesn't matter vs the POPULATION of Liao players online to perform CW.

Bottom line: Start creating CW groups, add your group to the LFG tab(Invite only or everyone can join option is your choice), spam faction chat, PLAY CW on the Liao Fronts.

Done.

Is that really so hard for players to understand?

Well now.. I guess that IS a bit awkward.

Zvolimir the Blackhand, on 10 July 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

Yeah, Marik leaders...chime in. Other Liao "leaders" too.

What was going on when we pitched in with the Star League and where we are now are two totally different things.

By the way, during the first CW I know quite well where Marik stood, thank you. None of those organizations exist today.

The truce predates the Star League effort. Marik units that are left have honored it so nothing has really changed other than your willingness attack Marik. Once again, Stoneblade has made good strides to express the good points and mertis of the subject, your comments are not constructive however. In addition you are attempting to stir the pot and anger Marik's which will only run counter the goals of having good CW matches. You certainly are doing nothing to attempt to even work with the rest of Liao. I understand that is your modus operandi, we don't toe your line so we don't count but at the end of the day HLGK needs the rest of Liao as well. I've seen several loyalist units represented on this thread, and nowhere is there support for your "leadership" in this matter. A good leader understands their environment and potential resources in addition to those under their direction. Not every problem is a nail.... You might want to seriously evaluate your EI before posting more.

And to before you denigrate those other units because of their size, please remember we have already established that the size of the unit doesn't matter.

[Wolf Clearwater]

Commissar Aku, on 10 July 2015 - 07:07 PM, said:

The FLH runs CW every Thursday at 7pm MST, you guys have our TS if you want some people to come play with. I personally won't play as a dirty Liao but the rest of the guys would be more than willing to share knowledge we have learned from fighting as both IS and Clans to help get you past all the figuring out and butthurt it takes to fight the "real fight".

Also if you don't want me posting on your **** I would recommend not mentioning me so much, I can't help but post.

Especially don't say his name nine times while staring into a mirror outdoors on a moonless night at 2:15 a.m.

[Zvolimir the Blackhand]

Vandril, on 10 July 2015 - 07:54 PM, said:

*SNIP*

None of that makes sense, even out of context like you've arranged it.

[Commissar Aku]

Wolf Clearwater, on 10 July 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:

Especially don't say his name nine times while staring into a mirror outdoors on a moonless night at 2:15 a.m.

It is 4:20am thank you, you don't need to protect Liao.

[Vandril]

Zvolimir the Blackhand, on 10 July 2015 - 08:02 PM, said:

None of that makes sense, even out of context like you've arranged it.

Actually it's chronological, so not out of context.

But to simplify it. You state you are the leadership for all of House Liao, and then backtrack when I call you out. Stoneblade stated this post is for the entire faction yet you go off on Murakaigan about how this is just for HLGK.

The quotes simply prove what was said and I am calling you out on it. You can't hide behind "You haven't been to any meetings" or "I never said that."

Edited by Vandril, 10 July 2015 - 08:39 PM.

[Zvolimir the Blackhand]

Vandril, on 10 July 2015 - 08:37 PM, said:

Actually it's chronological, so not out of context.

Then put the context in.

Vandril, on 10 July 2015 - 08:37 PM, said:

You state you are the leadership for all of House Liao, and then backtrack when I call you out.

This is where you overstep. This is what I said.

Zvolimir the Blackhand, on 09 July 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

Buddy, we ARE leadership in House Liao. There's no more cohesion between units here, but a few of us have talked to one another and we've decided it's no longer an issue, since Marik has never really returned friendship or aid.

Last time I checked, I still had three companies of active players...which was tonight. The thread is about the whole faction, sure, but some steps have already been taken and it's not my fault you were not privy to them.

Edited by Zvolimir the Blackhand, 10 July 2015 - 08:47 PM.

[Stoneblade]

Lets emphisize some words here: we are leadership IN house Liao. So lets break down this sentence: We = multiple; Are = carry word to the next word; Leadership = Leader or Leaders, there can be more than one; In = adjective meaning part of; House Liao = The faction we are apart of.


By misreading this sentence: We ARE the Leadership in House Liao. You have seemed to think he is talking about himself. Are you not a leader IN House Liao, Vandril? So in the context of the sentence you were included. Is Murakaigan a unit leader? Honestly, I don't know. Is he/she a member of 4TCR? I don't know. I think he/she is, but like I said: I don't know. But the vitriol generated off of this ONE sentence being misread seems more personal. If it is, please stop feeding it on this thread. This thread is about more than that.

So, the 13th is coming up. Is House Liao ready to start revitalizing CW? or is this just a moot point because feathers are ruffled and the peacocks are all out in their plumage?

[ccrider]

We've all seen Liao hair styles; you're definitely out of plumsge.

[BSK]

Wolf Clearwater, on 10 July 2015 - 05:04 PM, said:

Your three factions are viewed as a vacation spot, somewhere you spend two weeks where you might acquire a mechbay, do pretty much nothing, and then get back to "the real fighting".

*raises hand*


After the grind of the Hardcore CW event we decided to take a holiday here for 2 weeks. On 21. the rest of the third wave mechs will be released and we go back to clanners.
And you know which units we fought the most during the event when we attacked FRR planets? Marik and Liao merc units that were fed up with the inactivity in their factions.

I have said it many times in other threads, we need Bandit Kingdoms implemented on the other side of the clan invasion corridor. Then we get pirate jump points for Lone Wolfs and action for IS factions with no clan border.

[Vandril]

Joshua McEvedy, on 09 July 2015 - 10:28 AM, said:

Have fun with your ghost drops then...and good luck explaining your raids with the Liao leadership.

Zvolimir the Blackhand, on 09 July 2015 - 11:33 AM, said:

Buddy, we ARE leadership in House Liao. There's no more cohesion between units here, but a few of us have talked to one another and we've decided it's no longer an issue, since Marik has never really returned friendship or aid.

Here is the exact context. Question by a Marik player, and then Zvolimir's huffy response to him. While I can understand what he is trying to get here with the inclusion of "in". However the emphasis on 'ARE' leaves the impression that this thread is representative of THE leadership in House Liao. Clearly stating which groups have been consulted with and agreed would have gone much further to eliminate the confusion. This is why a leader of a House Liao Unit I am speaking up.

It really isn't personal. Mura is part of the 4TCR but the same dismissive tone was taking towards every non-HLGK player that spoke up. It not like Mura or Lucity or Rahul Roy attacked HLGK personally. It does bother me that one of my members was taken to task about thinking it was a faction wide call when... it was...

Being privy to HLGK war councils is not a big deal. Making it sound like HLGK war councils are representative of the faction's will is another thing.

[Vandril]

Stoneblade, on 10 July 2015 - 09:17 PM, said:

So, the 13th is coming up. Is House Liao ready to start revitalizing CW? or is this just a moot point because feathers are ruffled and the peacocks are all out in their plumage?

The one problem with any attempt to revitalizing CW is that we face the same problem with the Davions as we do with the Mariks. They have the option to just NOT show up. It is even worse with Marik because they are a smaller faction than the Davions and have three other active fronts to go to. PGI has set the stage to really limit the smallest faction in CW, and we have little recourse. We face the same trouble of having to constantly ghost drop to get the faction's attention.

BSK, on 11 July 2015 - 12:54 AM, said:

*raises hand*

I have said it many times in other threads, we need Bandit Kingdoms implemented on the other side of the clan invasion corridor. Then we get pirate jump points for Lone Wolfs and action for IS factions with no clan border.

BSK, do you think that mercs will jump over to both sides to fight Liao and Marik if it results in needing to ghost drop 2-4 times to start up a fight during a cycle? I fear the "Davion Defense" as I've been calling it will be implemented in Marik space where they fight once or twice, and if they lose badly they jump to another world.

My next question is, what makes the Marik border different than the Davion border from a Merc point of view? Why would Mercs under the Marik battle choose fights with Liao over Steiner or Davion?

I am also in complete agreement about the bandit kingdoms part. There needs to be an outside force on the other side of the invasion corridor.