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[Riptor]

There is no reason to not redesign the "unseen" to have some original artwork.

The problem here is to make them stand out enough to not look like the originals.

Also.. let PGI make some money first before they tackle that beast... even if they redesign the unseen to a point where everyone agrees they look nothing like their originals someone might still sue.

Remember Bethesda vs Mojang? Just because their new game had the name Scrolls?

Both games had absolutely nothing to do with each other and bethesdas legal department still tried to sue Mojang. I see the same problem here.

Admittetly any such claim might be simply waved off but as a company you still need to allways be prepared for worst case scenario.


On the other hand let me all ask you this:

How come we get the Leopard dropship that is clearly an unseen...

And why is PGI still showing the original mechwarrior 5 trailer on their official youtube account if they are not allowed to use the image of the warhammer?

These are the two things that personaly bother me the most.

Oh and seeing that the leopard made it in despite being an unseen dropship... heh... guess i proofed this topics name wrong then didnt I?

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Leopard

This ship is originally from crusher joe and thereby an unseen and yet its still in the game (or rather is planned to be) despite the glaring similarities.

Edited by Riptor, 06 July 2012 - 12:33 AM.

[MagnusEffect]

Wow... excellent point Riptor. I can't believe I missed that. So if we go by the release of concept art, technically some Unseens have already been confirmed in the game. If the Leopard is in, I see no reason the ShaddyHack won't (both originally inspired by the same series weren't they?).

Oh boy... I am sooo excited by this revelation

EDIT: my mistake... I meant the Locust. Still awesome.

Edited by MagnusEffect, 06 July 2012 - 01:00 AM.

[Riptor]

Easy there fella... the shuttle doesnt equal the mechs.

The existance of the leopard "might" hint at an apearance of other crusher joe related stuff...

but it still this doesnt mean 100% we will get the mechs because frankly redesigning what basicaly boils down to an oversized space shuttle is alot more different to redesigning a fictional machine and still keep some aspects of the original intact.

Cause lets face it.. aircraft/shuttle do look alot alike because they allways have the same working design choices and are alot less unique then a mech in looks because mechs do not really follow any proofen design patterns.

The fact remains that the unseen are not ruled out and infact that one design snuck in through the backdoor. So anyone claiming we will "never" see them is just talking out of their *** especialy since atleast the leopard made it in.

Unless ofcourse PGI wasnt aware that the leopard was an unseen and soon said concept art will simply disapear

[Rayspace]

Landeraxe, on 05 July 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

I dunno; the Jaegermech looks a lot like a redesigned Rifleman. If I see a bunch of redesigned unseen named something new, I am still OK with it. It's going to bring back the same feelings I had for the originals. I know i want a Jaegermech for sure based on nothing more than its similarity to the old rifleman; even if it is significantly different.

Unfortunately, the Warhammer is an Iconic mech and changing how it looks defeats the purpose of having it. I would love to see the Warhammer and Rifleman again. They were the first two miniatures I played a game with. They were owned by one of the Fasa guys and were huge miniatures on a huge 3d map. I got to command the lance on one side and we trounced the other guys. I remember a PPC head shot that really made a difference. Anyway the big Warhammer miniature I got to use as lance commander has ingrained that mech into my brain. I hope that someday the lawsuits will end and they can quietly introduce the original Warhammer into the game.

[Seeificare]

Umm battlemaster isn't part of the unseen, they used that design and the marauder,longbow and thunderbolt in their wiz kids table top game. So you may see them.

You will see clan new versions of each one watch.

[Steel Talon]

PGI already redesigned warhammer, it appears in old trailer, but nowhere else

[Schtirlitz]

They may redesign alot of mechs.
All for it.

[Shoklar]

Sychodemus, on 05 July 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

The original Behemoth image was made by Victor Musical Industries. As an "out of house" design it became an Unseen until it was redesigned.

Just remember that even though you can still buy a product does not mean that the company's policy has not changed. Once a merchant has purchased something it can stay in circulation for years.

Granted it came from another source, but it isn't unseen. Only the Macross ones remain unseen because of HG d-bags.

From sarna:
"On 24 June, 2009, it was announced that Catalyst Game Labs had secured the permissions needed to utilize the original "unseen" artwork for these designs again.
Shortly after the return of the "unseen" BattleMechs was announced, the BattleTech: 25 Years of Art & Fiction PDF was pulled from circulation. Managing editor Randall Bills made a statement on Catalyst Game Labs' website on August 10th, 2009 explaining the move. An error was made in negotiating the distribution rights for some of the images. Twelve Unseen images, those originating from Macross, were again pulled from circulation and will remain unseen, due to their exclusive distribution rights (within the United States) belonging to another company (Harmony Gold). Whether or not these images will be licensed or purchased in the future remains to be seen. The tone of the article was doubtful."

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen


and from catalyst:
"Though we’re still able to use many of the unseen designs, these core twelve [Archer, Longbow, Rifleman, Warhammer, Wasp, Stinger, Phoenix Hawk, Crusader, Marauder, Stinger LAM, Wasp LAM and Phoenix Hawk LAM] remain some of the most beloved. I hope you understand it was entirely out of our own passion for the game that this entire situation has unfolded as it did."

http://battletech.ca...e-want-them-to/


Paranoia is the only thing stopping the others from appearing. It would be easy to negotiate a license fee to use any of the non-HG designs. It's not like they're making ANY money off of them unless someone does want to license them.

So there's only 12 unseen...and this isn't one of them:

Edited by Shoklar, 06 July 2012 - 06:51 AM.

[Sychodemus]

Shoklar, on 06 July 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

Granted it came from another source, but it isn't unseen. Only the Macross ones remain unseen because of HG d-bags.

From sarna:
"On 24 June, 2009, it was announced that Catalyst Game Labs had secured the permissions needed to utilize the original "unseen" artwork for these designs again.
Shortly after the return of the "unseen" BattleMechs was announced, the BattleTech: 25 Years of Art & Fiction PDF was pulled from circulation. Managing editor Randall Bills made a statement on Catalyst Game Labs' website on August 10th, 2009 explaining the move. An error was made in negotiating the distribution rights for some of the images. Twelve Unseen images, those originating from Macross, were again pulled from circulation and will remain unseen, due to their exclusive distribution rights (within the United States) belonging to another company (Harmony Gold). Whether or not these images will be licensed or purchased in the future remains to be seen. The tone of the article was doubtful."

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen


and from catalyst:
"Though we’re still able to use many of the unseen designs, these core twelve [Archer, Longbow, Rifleman, Warhammer, Wasp, Stinger, Phoenix Hawk, Crusader, Marauder, Stinger LAM, Wasp LAM and Phoenix Hawk LAM] remain some of the most beloved. I hope you understand it was entirely out of our own passion for the game that this entire situation has unfolded as it did."

http://battletech.ca...e-want-them-to/


Paranoia is the only thing stopping the others from appearing. It would be easy to negotiate a license fee to use any of the non-HG designs. It's not like they're making ANY money off of them unless someone does want to license them.

So there's only 12 unseen...and this isn't one of them:

Unfortunately, the links you posted are out of date.

As far as I know, this was the most recent official statement: http://bg.battletech....msg221669.html

But the original Ostsol, Ostroc and Ostscout have been removed from the official list since December 2011, though they haven't made an official reappearance as yet. Therefore, they remain on my list.
This is apparently due to changes that Duane Loose made to the original designs (adding arms, heavily modifying the torsos and reversing the legs.) The Ost series may have been inspired by battlepods, but those changes might have made them different enough.

Further, Herb Beas made comments during a chat that he was looking into resolving the Unseen issue (though perhaps not in a way that would please everybody.) "I am pursuing an option that may resolve the Unseen matter more definitively for the universe. It will, of course, not please all of the fan base, but we have dealt with this particular problem since the late 90s, and I think it's time we finally close it down for good. Remember, of course, your minis remain valid." (18 February 2012 BattleChat)

Later, he stated that new art would might in the works but it wouldn't be reseen; rather "The option to retcon the Unseen remains on the table, but it would not be to make the Project Phoenix models into the new art. Instead, we are considering something closer to a more "primitive" look." (28 April 2012 BattleChat)

Once again, the simplest solution (and probably the best one from a legal standpoint) is to create new art (or use reseen art) and move on.

[Butane9000]

Indeed, there have been lots of redesigns for the unseen mechs. A lot of them are fantastic. So there might be a possibility of seeing them but it wouldn't be for a long time anyway so who cares?

[WolfSpider]

Redesign the darn things and call it a day. If they redesign them then I will spend the money to upgrade my machine to play. I want to be able to gun other mechs down in a warhammer or beat them down from my Archer I dont care what they look like!!!! But if they did design them with the way the orig fluff read then so much the better!!!

[ScrapIron Prime]

I'll be crying myself to sleep in a jump capable centurion, pretending it's really a Wolverine.

Thank goodness it's so sexy.

[Deathz Jester]

MOAAAR!!! SPECULATION AND ASSUMPTIONS!!! MOAR!!

[Wolftrap]

Who hasn't thought about taking the ac2s off the jagermech and throwing a large laser on there and go....wow it looks and plays just like a Riflemen.(only 5 tons heavier....more armor and heat sinks please) if they do the variant with ppcs for jagermech you will be able to do this...I just can't stand only having 6.5 tons of armor on a 65 ton mech.

[The1Marauder]

"Marauder"

This makes me a sad Marauder.

[Marauder3D]

Ahh, another Marauder lover!

Perhaps someday our callsigns will rejoice when they add our namesake mech to the game! There is always hope.

[The1Marauder]

Marauder3D, on 07 July 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

Ahh, another Marauder lover!
Perhaps someday our callsigns will rejoice when they add our namesake mech to the game! There is always hope.

I didn't get my name from the game but I sure did love that 'mech. I too will hold out hope!

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Hawkeye 72, on 05 July 2012 - 10:05 AM, said:

Pretty sure we are beating a dead horse guys. I say good day!!

you forgot the "sir"

also if you LOOK at the images at the bottom there are new pics for(the unseens Ive soon) of the unseens





Why cant we have THOSE versions?

Edited by 514yer, 07 July 2012 - 11:01 AM.

[Benaresh]

Rokuzachi, on 05 July 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

Warhammer

My heart is broken, but I figured as much. I lived to pilot that thing too.

I feel ya ! would have exclusivly used the Warri as my mech of Choice!
at least i can get an "Tomahawk" Model from the Interwebs.

Captain Fabulous, on 05 July 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

There's a Phoenix Hawk reseen. I prefer this one anyways.

COOOBRAAAA!


HAHA anyway here is a Picture of the stuff Harmony Gold would sue IGN as for:

[Benaresh]

Wrayeth, on 05 July 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

How else do you think little omnimechs are made?

zer0imh, on 05 July 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

check your history/timeline.

A...are you trolling?