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[pbiggz]

quad mechs are disgusting, novas should have torso twist whether the original TRO art says so or not. /thread

pls talk about whammys and marauders again.

[NocturnalBeast]

MischiefSC, on 28 July 2015 - 02:04 PM, said:

I'd run a Warhammer *stock*, in cw. Ppcs, lrms, mgs and all. That is how boss it is.

It really will depend on how the mech and hitboxes are scaled. That SRM-6 on the torso is a huge target, as well as the arms.

[Malleus011]

Malleus' Ultimate Unseen Pack(s)
(because a man can dream, can't he?)

Project Phoenix II (Battle Lance)

• new unique PPII camo pattern
  
• new unique PPII colors (phoenix green, yellow, and purple)
  
• PPII Warhorn
  
• PPII Cockpit Item
  
• Phoenix Wasp and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Rifleman and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Warhammer and 2 variants
  
• Optional Phoenix Griffin, Wolverine, or Shadow Hawk and 2 variants

Project Phoenix III (Raider Lance)

• new unique PPIII camo pattern
  
• new unque PPIII colors (phoenix blue, white, and orange)
  
• PPIII Warhorn
  
• PPIII Cockpit Item
  
• Phoenix Stinger and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Hawk and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Marauder and 2 variants
  
• Optional Phoenix Griffin, Wolverine, or Shadow Hawk and 2 variants

Project Phoenix IV (Fire Lance)

• new unique PPIV camo pattern
  
• new unque PPIV colors (phoenix cyan, brown and tan)
  
• PPIV Warhorn
  
• PPIV Cockpit Item
  
• Phoenix Valkyrie and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Crusader and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Archer and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Longbow and 2 variants

Phoenix Reinforcements!

• Phoenix Ostol and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Ostroc and 2 variants

Loyalty Rewards:

• Founders receive a 'Founders' Skin option for ALL their PP 'mechs and a Founders Warhorn.
  
• Project Phoenix I owners gain PPI skins for ALL their PP 'mechs and a PP I Warhorn.
  
• Any Mechwarrior with 2+ Phoenix packs gains a Wolf's Dragoons Black Widow Company skins, colors, and decals for all owned PP 'mechs.
  
• Any Mechwarrior with at least 1 Phoenix pack gains Wolf's Dragoons decals.
  
• Owning top tier of any previous pack (Clan or IS) grants access to a 4th variant of each chassis.
  
• Any Mechwarrior with at least 1 previous top tier IS 'mech pack who adds any Phoenix II-IV pack gains a Phoenix Marauder II and 2 variants.
  
• Any Mechwarrior with at least 1 previous top tier Clan 'mech pack who adds any Phoenix II-IV pack gains a Phoenix Marauder IIC and 2 variants.

(I suppose IIC 'mechs should intersperse between packs)


This is the biggest cash generator PGI has left ... make these 'mechs sing.

Edited by Malleus011, 28 July 2015 - 02:32 PM.

[MischiefSC]

My bad. I ran an xl variant with no smls or srms but two lrm15s and 4 tons of ammo and better armor. She was a hard working girl.

[NocturnalBeast]

Malleus011, on 28 July 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

This is the biggest cash generator PGI has left ... make these 'mechs sing.

Not quite, PGI can make tons of money off of Word of Blake mechs and Clan totem mechs also, not to mention Solaris "customizations".

Edited by Ed Steele, 28 July 2015 - 02:48 PM.

[Alan Davion]

Malleus011, on 28 July 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

Malleus' Ultimate Unseen Pack(s)
(because a man can dream, can't he?)

Project Phoenix II (Battle Lance)

• new unique PPII camo pattern
  
• new unique PPII colors (phoenix green, yellow, and purple)
  
• PPII Warhorn
  
• PPII Cockpit Item
  
• Phoenix Wasp and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Rifleman and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Warhammer and 2 variants
  
• Optional Phoenix Griffin, Wolverine, or Shadow Hawk and 2 variants

Project Phoenix III (Raider Lance)

• new unique PPIII camo pattern
  
• new unque PPIII colors (phoenix blue, white, and orange)
  
• PPIII Warhorn
  
• PPIII Cockpit Item
  
• Phoenix Stinger and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Hawk and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Marauder and 2 variants
  
• Optional Phoenix Griffin, Wolverine, or Shadow Hawk and 2 variants

Project Phoenix IV (Fire Lance)

• new unique PPIV camo pattern
  
• new unque PPIV colors (phoenix cyan, brown and tan)
  
• PPIV Warhorn
  
• PPIV Cockpit Item
  
• Phoenix Valkyrie and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Crusader and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Archer and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Longbow and 2 variants

Phoenix Reinforcements!

• Phoenix Ostol and 2 variants
  
• Phoenix Ostroc and 2 variants

Loyalty Rewards:

• Founders receive a 'Founders' Skin option for ALL their PP 'mechs and a Founders Warhorn.
  
• Project Phoenix I owners gain PPI skins for ALL their PP 'mechs and a PP I Warhorn.
  
• Any Mechwarrior with 2+ Phoenix packs gains a Wolf's Dragoons Black Widow Company skins, colors, and decals for all owned PP 'mechs.
  
• Any Mechwarrior with at least 1 Phoenix pack gains Wolf's Dragoons decals.
  
• Owning top tier of any previous pack (Clan or IS) grants access to a 4th variant of each chassis.
  
• Any Mechwarrior with at least 1 previous top tier IS 'mech pack who adds any Phoenix II-IV pack gains a Phoenix Marauder II and 2 variants.
  
• Any Mechwarrior with at least 1 previous top tier Clan 'mech pack who adds any Phoenix II-IV pack gains a Phoenix Marauder IIC and 2 variants.

(I suppose IIC 'mechs should intersperse between packs)


This is the biggest cash generator PGI has left ... make these 'mechs sing.

The part in bold and underline is the biggest problem I have with this arrangement.

Edited by Alan Davion, 28 July 2015 - 03:10 PM.

[AlexEss]

Malleus011, on 28 July 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

Malleus' Ultimate Unseen Pack(s)
(because a man can dream, can't he?)

Dream all you want but that pack has way to much fluff to be financially viable. So a dream it will remain.

Pick four mechs.. add another as a big ticket reward (the MAD i´d guess) and keep to the normal formula of fluff items and you might have something going.

But hey,, it is your dream so dream all you want. =)

[NocturnalBeast]

Just call the pack "The Unseen" and give the mechs unique "stealthy" cammo and include new, unique swag.

[Strum Wealh]

Ed Steele, on 28 July 2015 - 01:00 PM, said:

PGI will make it twist at the waste like the Locust, Jenner, Nova.... It would take too many game engine mods otherwise.

It wouldn't take any modification - they'd just need to build a standard 'Mech, then set the torso twist limits to 0.001 degrees (that is, one one-thousandth of one degree) in either direction.

It's be even easier than what it took them to work out the 360-degree rotation for the UrbanMech.

[RedDevil]

Here's the master prototype model from Catalyst Games:

Warhammer shot 1
Warhammer shot 2

[NocturnalBeast]

Strum Wealh, on 28 July 2015 - 03:24 PM, said:

It wouldn't take any modification - they'd just need to build a standard 'Mech, then set the torso twist limits to 0.001 degrees (that is, one one-thousandth of one degree) in either direction.

It's be even easier than what it took them to work out the 360-degree rotation for the UrbanMech.

True, but I remember them saying somewhere that it would take too much work to do (plus it would not make them any additional money like the Urbanmech pack did). In TT mechs without torsos could not torso twist and could only change the direction of the torso while moving. Torso-less mechs could still move their arms and any turret mounted weapons (the Locust's ML was on a turret) independently though.

[MischiefSC]

RedDevil, on 28 July 2015 - 03:24 PM, said:

Here's the master prototype model from Catalyst Games:

Warhammer shot 1
Warhammer shot 2

I would purchase those just to rub my penis on them.

[Outlaw]

To those who say we have to go through HG needs to brush up on their history. Harmony Gold sold the rights to Macross/Robotech to Sony Pictures, so the only ones we need to be able to appease is them. With them showing off the new Master Prototype miniature im willing to bet that Sony is being a lot more reasonable than HG was, and they have their blessing to go ahead with it. Warhammer master prototype mini unpainted but definitely droolworthy.

[Alan Davion]

Outlaw, on 28 July 2015 - 03:38 PM, said:

To those who say we have to go through HG needs to brush up on their history. Harmony Gold sold the rights to Macross/Robotech to Sony Pictures, so the only ones we need to be able to appease is them. With them showing off the new Master Prototype miniature im willing to bet that Sony is being a lot more reasonable than HG was, and they have their blessing to go ahead with it. Warhammer master prototype mini unpainted but definitely droolworthy.

Wrong, HG only sold a license to Sony. If they'd completely sold the rights off, we would have heard something to that affect, which would mean we could get all the Macross anime over here in the states with little to no trouble.

[Wildstreak]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 July 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

I am Twitterpating Russ as we speak. All Twitter account owners and users, unite for the Unseen! And those who aren't because of some "reasons" man up and make the sacrifice for the cause. Using twitter doesn't revoke your man card.

I don't Twitter, as I told people on Facebook, I have enough social media to do and the most I would say is, "Chirp, *****, chirp," and that's it. I don't need 'followers' I am not starting a religion.

As much as I am a BT nostalgia fan, I do have to be honest in what I expect if more Unseen were put in game.

Stinger / Wasp - slower than most existing MWO Lights, engine cap would still make them slower, even if Firestarter/Cheetah sized or somewhere between that and Spiders, they would be DOA in playability.

Valkyrie - suffers the same speed problem but might be excused as a 30 tonner with better weapons than a Spider.

Phoenix Hawk - it would be bigger than a Blackjack with roughly the same hardpoints, BJ is better.

Scorpion - no Quads in game currently, not even sure if PGI is looking at Quads.

Rifleman - lighter Jager, still easy to hit making XL use rough. Might be useful if similar to Jager model but smaller thus better than Dragon / Quickdraw.

Crusader - I hate to do this to a Mech I really liked but it was as tall as a Hopper and is there a need for another 65 ton LRM focused Mech.

Archer - 70 ton Catapult.

Warhammer - would be worth something if it was not so bulky, PGI already had polls about changing Mech size.

Marauder - picture a torso and legs between Catapult and Stalker size with arms and a RT gun (art keeps putting it center that is wrong) results in a 75 ton target that dies easier than a Stalker.

Goliath - See Scorpion.

Longbow - 85 tons of Catapult A1.

Marauder II - See Marauder then make bigger to fit 100 tons. Bigger than a King Crab.

Closest to worthwhile ones for a pack would be Valkyrie, Rifleman, Longbow unless PGI can do Quads. With only 2 Mediums but more in other weights, they need a different release method than packs unless PGI did what I suggested, redid PP tires into a new system with new variants then they could move the Griffin and Wolverine as Mediums into a new set of releases.

[Outlaw]

I stand corrected, i thought they sold the whole deal to them... that makes me a sad panda. Either way though, I think there are enough differences here that HG cant really say much. To be honest I can see some of the Hammerhands in the new Warhammer artwork particularly in the legs if you remove the weird bar structure, and somewhat in the Torso.

Their Marauder on the other hand, yeah dont know how thats going to fly.

Edited by Outlaw, 28 July 2015 - 03:57 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Someone go grab Bishop and make him to twitterflirt at Russ.

I'm not kidding - I want a gold Warhammer. Possibly a Marauder too. I would pay extra for a 'pimp-walk' cockpit item that made the mech pimp walk. I'm 100% serious.

PGI, you get me mechs that look like what Catalyst is doing with the Unseen and I'll drop $500 on a gold Warhammer (or Marauder, maybe one of each cuz that's how I roll) to pick up an 8 mech (24 total variants a la Clan Wave 1) and I'll buy that so fast he won't have time to tweet "WTF?"

I can't be the only old school BT fan here who'd fill the cup Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back style to get proper Unseen mechs. Make it happen.

[Alan Davion]

Outlaw, on 28 July 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

I stand corrected, i thought they sold the whole deal to them... that makes me a sad panda. Either way though, I think there are enough differences here that HG cant really say much. To be honest I can see some of the Hammerhands in the new Warhammer artwork particularly in the legs if you remove the weird bar structure, and somewhat in the Torso.

Their Marauder on the other hand, yeah dont know how thats going to fly.

Well, between the cover art for the Warhammer, and that gorgeous miniature prototype, my hopes are increasing here.

As for the Marauder, we only got a back/side view on that cover art. Give it a couple weeks to a month and we'll see more of the Marauder and all the remaining unseen.

[MischiefSC]

It don't matter how. All that matters is WHAT. HGs 'rights' to those images and the original licensing FASA had for those images has always been sketchy; it was just too much of a legal hassle before. Guys that was the 80s-90s, the legalities around royalties and licensing has changed dramatically as has the legal process for dealing with and establishing rights to such things. Odds are good that HG doesn't own the rights to those images for Battletech; actually odds are good that nobody does.

End of the day it's irrelevant. If Catalyst sacked up and sorted the issue to let us back to the glory of those mechs we need to carpe the holy living **** out of that diem and GET THOSE PRETTIES IN MY GAME.

[pbiggz]

RedDevil, on 28 July 2015 - 03:24 PM, said:

Here's the master prototype model from Catalyst Games:

Warhammer shot 1
Warhammer shot 2