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[Lorian Sunrider]

Spr1ggan, on 28 July 2015 - 11:36 AM, said:

It's definitely a better mech once double basics are acquired. However the lack of firepower puts you firmly in a pure support role. So when your team start getting dumped on there's not much you can do unless you go full A game zone mode and play brilliantly.

A 45 ton mech shouldn't be able to carry your team if they play like idiots or you are heavily outnumbered.

Play it like you would play a Cicada with better manoeuvrability and you'll likely enjoy it more.

[Throat Punch]

Lorian Sunrider, on 28 July 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

A 45 ton mech shouldn't be able to carry your team if they play like idiots or you are heavily outnumbered.

I dunno about you, but im always like this in my S-Cat.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lorian Sunrider, on 28 July 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

A 45 ton mech shouldn't be able to carry your team if they play like idiots or you are heavily outnumbered.

Play it like you would play a Cicada with better manoeuvrability and you'll likely enjoy it more.

any mech should be able to in the hands of an able pilot. No, that is not the same as being able to face tank the enemy team. But using smart tactics, yes, any mech should be able to carry.

[Spr1ggan]

Lorian Sunrider, on 28 July 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

A 45 ton mech shouldn't be able to carry your team if they play like idiots or you are heavily outnumbered.

Play it like you would play a Cicada with better manoeuvrability and you'll likely enjoy it more.

Funny, 35 ton and lower mechs carry teams quite often. I also used to carry in a blackjack which is... 45 tons.

I'm not saying you can't carry in the scat, i've got screens to prove you can. However It's much tougher to do it than with other mechs i've played. Including certain cicadas.

Edited by Spr1ggan, 28 July 2015 - 03:07 PM.

[spectralthundr]

Mors Draco, on 28 July 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

I use a SHC-Prime with a A/C 10 and 2x cML w/ ECM build and a SHC-B with a 3x SR6+Artemis and 2x cSMP w/ECM. Both builds are pretty nice and I can get in the 650-700 damage range with them.

My Prime is the same build w/ 3 tons of ammo, my B is similar with streak 6's and a couple med lasers. Even have a dual ER PPC build that's hot but effective, 500 average damage with all of em. Those saying it sucks or is a lesser medium either don't know how to pilot it hit and run style or just have no situational awareness. Willing to bet it's mostly the latter as most pugs seem to have zero situational awareness to begin with. The mech is awesome.

[Spr1ggan]

spectralthundr, on 28 July 2015 - 07:28 PM, said:

My Prime is the same build w/ 3 tons of ammo, my B is similar with streak 6's and a couple med lasers. Even have a dual ER PPC build that's hot but effective, 500 average damage with all of em. Those saying it sucks or is a lesser medium either don't know how to pilot it hit and run style or just have no situational awareness. Willing to bet it's mostly the latter as most pugs seem to have zero situational awareness to begin with. The mech is awesome.

Those that think it's a brilliant mech obviously aren't in a decent Elo...

As for hit and run style, i can do that with a Stormcrow while having more firepower and rek the **** outta your scat. Even the Ferret is a better hit and run mech.

Oh you can get 500 damage in it, wow it must be something special... Just because you can do okay with it in pugland doesn't make it a good mech. I've had 700-1000+ damage rounds in it and in my opinion it's not good. I've seen people score high with some of the games shittiest mechs, doesn't change the fact that those mechs are still ******.

Edited by Spr1ggan, 29 July 2015 - 06:11 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Spr1ggan, on 28 July 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

Those that think it's a brilliant mech obviously aren't in a decent Elo...

As for hit and run style, i can do that with a stormcrow while having more firepower and rek the **** outta your scat.

or even take the occasional vacation detour through one, lol.

As for hit and run, I can do more damage in a Jenner, Firestarter, Huggin or Cheetah. All of which are faster, harder to hit and can jump enough, to boot.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 July 2015 - 07:39 PM.

[spectralthundr]

Yeah you know, only been playing since closed beta but I'm sure it's my elo that sucks or something.

Just managed this drop with 2 LPL 1 ER Med and a MK 1 TC But hey the mech is so ******!

[Mcgral18]

spectralthundr, on 28 July 2015 - 07:51 PM, said:

Yeah you know, only been playing since closed beta but I'm sure it's my elo that sucks or something.

Just managed this drop with 2 LPL 1 ER Med and a MK 1 TC But hey the mech is so ******!

Well...that is an altogether mediocre score for a mediocre robot....so yes, working as intended.



I thought we've been through this before?

[spectralthundr]

lol, you're a riot Mcgral

[Mcgral18]

spectralthundr, on 28 July 2015 - 08:03 PM, said:

lol, you're a riot Mcgral

I call it what it is.



This isn't even a great match.


It should have been a 7 kill match, had I been using nearly any other robot, but 27 damage (for 30% heat) is just pathetic when trying to kill stuff. BJ1x is 42 damage for 35% heat.

Edited by Mcgral18, 28 July 2015 - 08:06 PM.

[Greenjulius]

Mcgral18, on 28 July 2015 - 08:05 PM, said:

It should have been a 7 kill match, had I been using nearly any other robot, but 27 damage (for 30% heat) is just pathetic when trying to kill stuff. BJ1x is 42 damage for 35% heat.

And it has better hitboxes. And it goes 116 without crappy masc.

[spectralthundr]

Mcgral18, on 28 July 2015 - 08:05 PM, said:

I call it what it is.



This isn't even a great match.


It should have been a 7 kill match, had I been using nearly any other robot, but 27 damage (for 30% heat) is just pathetic when trying to kill stuff. BJ1x is 42 damage for 35% heat.

And the BJ get's sneezed on and it's dead quicker than the scat. At least that's been my experience. I know though top damage and 5 kills is **** of course. Silly. Just silly.

[Greenjulius]

spectralthundr, on 28 July 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

And the BJ get's sneezed on and it's dead quicker than the scat. At least that's been my experience. I know though top damage and 5 kills is **** of course. Silly. Just silly.

That's not my experience. I find that the Blackjack is so easy to dodge shots with, that I usually get missed altogether when I torso twist. I survived this match with no arms and 1 leg. I get 1000+ damage matches in BJs contantly.

[Mcgral18]

spectralthundr, on 28 July 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

And the BJ get's sneezed on and it's dead quicker than the scat. At least that's been my experience. I know though top damage and 5 kills is **** of course. Silly. Just silly.

When you're talking 500 damage, yes, yes it is.


Of 6 matches I played yesterday with the 1X, 4 were 800 damage, and 2 were 600 damage. Always 2 kills, I think up to 4?


For a series of 6 back to back matches, that beats any SadCat run I've ever had. The 1X doesn't feel exceedingly fragile, but true, it does only have +11 per ST which will result in death.



I'm alright with that, since it can kill things with ease, from range, with nearly half the burn duration as the SadCat (unless you go with nearly half the alpha, at 3 MPLs).

[spectralthundr]

Greenjulius, on 28 July 2015 - 08:19 PM, said:

That's not my experience. I find that the Blackjack is so easy to dodge shots with, that I usually get missed altogether when I torso twist. I survived this match with no arms and 1 leg. I get 1000+ damage matches in BJs contantly.

Go fig. I dunno man, I generally pilot mediums or heavies and really the scat has been just flat out fun for me so far. At any rate I'm enjoying the hell outta the damn thing.

[Greenjulius]

spectralthundr, on 28 July 2015 - 08:24 PM, said:

Go fig. I dunno man, I generally pilot mediums or heavies and really the scat has been just flat out fun for me so far. At any rate I'm enjoying the hell outta the damn thing.

I'm to the point where I'm willing to give up on the SCat MASC being improved. Enough people are posting decent games in them that the mech will likely be in limbo for some time.

That said, anytime I've steamrolled a team lately, I've found they have 3-4 SCats. I just don't see them as a threat. Just easy prey.

[spectralthundr]

Greenjulius, on 28 July 2015 - 08:31 PM, said:

I'm to the point where I'm willing to give up on the SCat MASC being improved. Enough people are posting decent games in them that the mech will likely be in limbo for some time.

That said, anytime I've steamrolled a team lately, I've found they have 3-4 SCats. I just don't see them as a threat. Just easy prey.

They can be if they stand still. I generally try not to do that, or at the very least use the ecm effectively enough to get behind them.

Edited by spectralthundr, 28 July 2015 - 08:39 PM.

[Greenjulius]

spectralthundr, on 28 July 2015 - 08:39 PM, said:

They can be if they stand still. I generally try not to do that, or at the very least use the ecm effectively enough to get behind them.

For some reason, 50% of SCats I encounter now are some kind of 2xLPL or 2xERLL build. Both are terrible when confronted at close range. Just take the one side torso off and they are neutered.

I've seen a few very mixed builds doing okay, maximizing the hardpoints with SRMs, Energy and MGs. How they make them work is astonishing to me.

[spectralthundr]

Greenjulius, on 28 July 2015 - 08:47 PM, said:

For some reason, 50% of SCats I encounter now are some kind of 2xLPL or 2xERLL build. Both are terrible when confronted at close range. Just take the one side torso off and they are neutered.

I've seen a few very mixed builds doing okay, maximizing the hardpoints with SRMs, Energy and MGs. How they make them work is astonishing to me.

I have different builds with all of em, I think the most effective one for me so far has been a single UAC 10, 3 tons of ammo and 2 er meds, have done a few 800 or so damage games in that one. 2 LPL one ER Med, 2 ER PPC's and the last one I'm still tinkering with but right now it's 3 Strk 6 and 2 er med.

I don't know how people make it work with MG's either but then again I hate MG's, always have.

Edited by spectralthundr, 28 July 2015 - 08:56 PM.