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[bad arcade kitty]

Mcgral18, on 28 July 2015 - 08:20 PM, said:

When you're talking 500 damage, yes, yes it is.


Of 6 matches I played yesterday with the 1X, 4 were 800 damage, and 2 were 600 damage. Always 2 kills, I think up to 4?


For a series of 6 back to back matches, that beats any SadCat run I've ever had. The 1X doesn't feel exceedingly fragile, but true, it does only have +11 per ST which will result in death.



I'm alright with that, since it can kill things with ease, from range, with nearly half the burn duration as the SadCat (unless you go with nearly half the alpha, at 3 MPLs).

Mcgral18, on 28 July 2015 - 08:20 PM, said:

When you're talking 500 damage, yes, yes it is.


Of 6 matches I played yesterday with the 1X, 4 were 800 damage, and 2 were 600 damage. Always 2 kills, I think up to 4?


For a series of 6 back to back matches, that beats any SadCat run I've ever had. The 1X doesn't feel exceedingly fragile, but true, it does only have +11 per ST which will result in death.



I'm alright with that, since it can kill things with ease, from range, with nearly half the burn duration as the SadCat (unless you go with nearly half the alpha, at 3 MPLs).

i only wish you had those matches when you land on my team instead of only reading of them on the forum

[Mcgral18]

bad arcade kitty, on 28 July 2015 - 09:15 PM, said:

i only wish you had those matches when you land on my team instead of only reading of them on the forum

You mean doing that in the Awesome wasn't enough? BJ's a bit better than the Awesome.

[Deathlike]

I'll eventually get around to running the Shadowcat, but all of the lack of build diversity seems really eerily similar to the Mist Lynx.

This event isn't entirely helping (I'm just running the Cheetah because I can).

[Navid A1]

Deathlike, on 29 July 2015 - 12:29 AM, said:

I'll eventually get around to running the Shadowcat, but all of the lack of build diversity seems really eerily similar to the Mist Lynx.

This event isn't entirely helping (I'm just running the Cheetah because I can).

The sadcat can't even match a 4 ERML lynx.

[Khobai]

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Ugh... IS MGs and Clan MGs are exactly the same, except Clan MGs are half the weight.

theyre half the weight

its hard to argue a CMG isnt worth .25 tons

But an ISMG is definitely not worth .5 tons

[Widowmaker1981]

It has its uses, but its not a meta slayer. what PGI SHOULD have done for the invented variant is give us a LT with 2-3 E hardpoints but no ECM - so you can choose ECM or effective firepower.

For now though. i quite enjoy the 2xERPPC and 2xLPL variants, but only in the solo queue and CW. For group queue this mech can take a long walk off a short pier (but then i dont care since i drive assaults in the group queue 95% of the time anyway)

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 July 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

so you can pack 7 utterly worthless MG? Yeah, that'll fix the hardpoint issues. When your Elo pops up a tad and you start playing against stiff competition, I hope you can maintain your rosy disposition about that Wee Shady Kitten.

And what if he can do that Bish? He may be the guy who can run that build against god and win. I mean look at me. How many of you say the Atlas NEEDS "X". Yet I am edging my way back to a Positive W/L and KDr in mine.

A Mech does not have to be good for EVERYONE to be good.

Khobai, on 29 July 2015 - 01:13 AM, said:

theyre half the weight

its hard to argue a CMG isnt worth .25 tons

But an ISMG is definitely not worth .5 tons

Sorry man but 1/2 ton weapons are not worth putting on a Multi ton vehicle anyway. Unless you are only 20 tons. And even then... Get a bigger ride you tightwad!!!

[Khobai]

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Sorry man but 1/2 ton weapons are not worth putting on a Multi ton vehicle anyway. Unless you are only 20 tons. And even then... Get a bigger ride you tightwad!!!

what are you even talking about

its not like the shadowcat has any other option to fill its 6 ballistic slots

machine guns are the only choice really

[Zolaz]

Scat is about as good as an unquirked Dragon. It can fill slot in a drop. Sometimes it is good. Other mechs are way better.

[RoboPatton]

This is what I'm hearing the SCAT is like--



"GAH! Mediocre!"

Edited by RoboPatton, 29 July 2015 - 06:54 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Why are we comparing the SadCat to the BJ-1X in here? That's ridiculous! You'd be more on-point to compare the BJ-1X to the Storm Crow because that's closer to what it performs like. It's a good thing it doesn't have access to ERML of any sort or sweet sh*t all other Mediums would be f*cked six ways from Sunday with those hard-points.

The BJ-1 is the only BJ variant that can and should be compared to the SadCat.

[Greenjulius]

RoboPatton, on 29 July 2015 - 06:53 PM, said:

This is what I'm hearing the SCAT is like--



"GAH! Mediocre!"

These forums need 75% more Fury Road references.

[ChewBaka]

spectralthundr, on 28 July 2015 - 08:56 PM, said:

I have different builds with all of em, I think the most effective one for me so far has been a single UAC 10, 3 tons of ammo and 2 er meds, have done a few 800 or so damage games in that one. 2 LPL one ER Med, 2 ER PPC's and the last one I'm still tinkering with but right now it's 3 Strk 6 and 2 er med.

I don't know how people make it work with MG's either but then again I hate MG's, always have.

I don't quite see how the UAC10 build is that different to the 2LPL build though. Its still the same. Blow out the right side and you're down to a Med.

At least with 2LPL, you can put one on your left side but that just makes it harder to peek.

[spectralthundr]

Charlie Pohr, on 29 July 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

I don't quite see how the UAC10 build is that different to the 2LPL build though. Its still the same. Blow out the right side and you're down to a Med.

At least with 2LPL, you can put one on your left side but that just makes it harder to peek.

When people are getting UAC shells streamed into their back from a mech under ECM they don't know is there, they usually panic. If you play the mech how it's intended to be played as a stealthy support medium, not only is it really effective, but flat out fun. I haven't been stripped once in it so far. YMMV.

[Deathlike]

For a day, the Shadowcat is what I thought it was. It's still meddling, but I like it.

Heat (though lack of tonnage for DHS) and hardpoints are the greatest limiting factor, but man it's totally reliant on its ECM far more than any other mech due to its lack of durability. It's not quite Vindicator squishy, but it doesn't seem very capable of getting away once a mistake is made.

MASC should be that answer, but it's not a buff that I would call "enough" given what you could do with that 2 tons.

[Greenjulius]

Deathlike, on 29 July 2015 - 11:19 PM, said:

For a day, the Shadowcat is what I thought it was. It's still meddling, but I like it.

Heat (though lack of tonnage for DHS) and hardpoints are the greatest limiting factor, but man it's totally reliant on its ECM far more than any other mech due to its lack of durability. It's not quite Vindicator squishy, but it doesn't seem very capable of getting away once a mistake is made.

MASC should be that answer, but it's not a buff that I would call "enough" given what you could do with that 2 tons.

That's the part that's a real shame. I really like how it pilots, with the great jumping capability, great torso movement, high mounted weapons, etc.

It's squishy and low on firepower, and MASC doesn't do enough. That's my general take on it. I'm sure people will have good games in them, but so do people with the Ice Ferret and Vindicator. Hell, I've gotten 1000+ damage games in the Ferret. That doesn't make it a great mech though.

It's just not as good as the Cheetah and Stormcrow. Because of that, it will likely fade away like the 2nd and 3rd tier clan mechs.

[Widowmaker1981]

Greenjulius, on 30 July 2015 - 08:25 AM, said:

That's the part that's a real shame. I really like how it pilots, with the great jumping capability, great torso movement, high mounted weapons, etc.

It's squishy and low on firepower, and MASC doesn't do enough. That's my general take on it. I'm sure people will have good games in them, but so do people with the Ice Ferret and Vindicator. Hell, I've gotten 1000+ damage games in the Ferret. That doesn't make it a great mech though.

It's just not as good as the Cheetah and Stormcrow. Because of that, it will likely fade away like the 2nd and 3rd tier clan mechs.

Its difficult though, because it cant have the damage output of a Crow, or even an Adder really - because that would make it OP combined with the jumping and ECM. it is only 10 tons heavier than the Adder..

I think it is a little too low on firepower, and would benefit from some quirks in the ~10% range to help out with that.

But it does have a place. Its turned Vitric Forge from my most hated CW map to one of my favourites instantly, because playing it like a roof ninja is hilariously fun, and the JJs allow it to go anywhere (few places make use of 6JJs but this is one). You can put up with the low DPS there when you have ECM and high mounted hardpoints - combined with the fact that very few people put enough jets on any IS mech to get up to the highest places, so mostly you are completely safe if you shoot down UAVs. 2xSCat + 2xTimber, set up with 3 or 4 JJs.. so much win. It is only 1 map though..

[DONTOR]

Mcgral18, on 28 July 2015 - 12:18 PM, said:

They have the same stats...

They weigh twice as much...

[Mcgral18]

DONTOR, on 30 July 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

They weigh twice as much...

And are otherwise identical. Mechs have the same hardpoints (in 4 and 6, generally) so to say one is more effective at killing than the other is kinda false.



Stat wise, identical. Same damage, same CoF, same RoF. Weight is the only difference, which doesn't touch their killing potential (which is VERY low).

Edited by Mcgral18, 30 July 2015 - 09:24 AM.

[Throat Punch]

ok, after several days playing the 'mech and using several different builds, I will gladly admit that the S-cat isn't the greatest medium mech, and is out classed by some lights 'mechs; however, I find it a great deal of fun to play. The S-Cat is one of my favorite TT mechs to play so that could be why I have taken a liking to the S-Cat in MWO. It isn't great, but I have a ball in it and can get some decent scores (600-700 dmg) and a handful of kills. Now I may be in the joe average man Elo (god how i wish they would show elo so you could gauge where you stood) and that could be why I'm getting such good results with the chassis, or it could just be because I enjoy it and it just works for me. Whatever. It's not a god 'mech but it ain't poopnugget either if you can pilot it well. Anyway just my 2 c-bills.