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[bad arcade kitty]

till the end of the game when they can say gg, it serves no purpose at all and is highly abusable

here is a recent game of mine, i was moving in a wide circle hoping to find some enemy and got my position repeatedly reported while another jerk asked what was wrong with me. with me, damn!

p.s. imo name and shame policy shouldn't force me painting the names on screenshots, not like it's defamation or something, it's just screenshots, but w/e, i abide

[GRiPSViGiL]

I hate...literally hate the people that give away position. Would love to meet one in person.

[Ultimax]

The players aren't dead, their mechs are just destroyed.





(although they shouldn't give away your position...)

Edited by Ultimatum X, 28 July 2015 - 12:11 PM.

[CtrlAltWheee]

I like all chat after dead because sometimes I know the guys on the other team and we're chatting while the game progresses.

BUT. What shadowsfury is describing is garbage. The player still alive has every right to play out his game without you interfering. I think that's pretty selfish.

[Paigan]

Discussing errors.
Reporting teamkillers.
Talking about builds, impressive kills, etc etc.

No purpose? Very narrow-minded.

What the chat does need however is an ignore function.

[Lexx]

Just report them and send the screenshot to support. There is no need to make a thread about this. Dead mechs will probably never get muted.

I once sent in a ticket asking for an official stance from PGI about the last player in a Skirmish match running away and avoiding combat. They wouldn't give me a clear answer and just said report them and they would look at it on a case by case basis.

One thing the guy answering the ticket wanted to make clear, so much so that he said it twice, was we aren't allowed to give away their position. PGI calls this "team treason" and they will punish for it. I was told the only time it's ever ok to give away a teammate's position is when they are they last mech, they have disconnected and it's clear they aren't going to reconnect.

[ScreamingSkull]

GRiPSViGiL, on 28 July 2015 - 11:38 AM, said:

I hate...literally hate the people that give away position. Would love to meet one in person.

I hate the idiots that hide when it's 1v12. He deserved to get sold out for griefing the enemy team.

[Shad0wsFury]

CtrlAltWheee, on 28 July 2015 - 12:07 PM, said:

I like all chat after dead because sometimes I know the guys on the other team and we're chatting while the game progresses.

BUT. What shadowsfury is describing is garbage. The player still alive has every right to play out his game without you interfering. I think that's pretty selfish.

Sorry you don't like it. I happen to find the opposite selfish: Wasting 23 people's time to me seems more selfish than giving away the position of a player who, IMO, selfishly refuses to die to pad their own stats.

Edited by Shad0wsFury, 28 July 2015 - 12:14 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Basic rules of engagement:

If you run away to prolong a fight that you cannot win (your team is down and you have no weapons, for instance), then you are violating the game's Terms of Use and should be reported to Support. Also, your position should be given away, because you are not attempting to win or draw; you are just trying to lose slowly instead of losing quickly. You are still trying to lose. (Note - trying to reposition is different from running away, but if you take all day to "reposition" when you can't win, then you are effectively evading combat)

If you run away and avoid combat to force a draw, that's allowed because you're trying to "not lose."

If you run away from combat entirely to secure a victory (if your team has 2 unarmed Scouts and the enemy has a full-health Atlas in a Assault Match), then it's okay because you are trying to win.

If you reveal someone's position for trying to win or draw by running away, then YOU should be reported tonSupport for violating the game's Terms of Use.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 28 July 2015 - 12:16 PM.

[Lord Perversor]

Shad0wsFury, on 28 July 2015 - 11:44 AM, said:

Are you going to defeat 10 mechs with 246 streak SRM missiles and two working launchers, with heavy damage to your armor and internals?

If not then you should go die honorably (and quickly), or run yourself out of bounds if you must.

Sitting around and hiding on a map does nothing but waste everybody's time. Personally, I like to level mechs one at a time, so I'll often wait till the matches are over so I can continue leveling that chassis.

So yea, better keep hoping PGI takes out that (dead) all-chat, or people like me will keep reporting the positions of people like you.

(ps. it wasn't me in that screenshot, but I do it all the time unless the person has a legitimate chance of winning the match)

It is possible to do so just not probable.

Still the players has the whole rights to Attempt to fight on his terms, as LONG you see it's flanking and not straight hidding, wait a couple of mins, check what he does then wait or leave match.

[TheArisen]

Lexx, on 28 July 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

Just report them and send the screenshot to support. There is no need to make a thread about this. Dead mechs will probably never get muted.

I once sent in a ticket asking for an official stance from PGI about the last player in a Skirmish match running away and avoiding combat. They wouldn't give me a clear answer and just said report them and they would look at it on a case by case basis.

One thing the guy answering the ticket wanted to make clear, so much so that he said it twice, was we aren't allowed to give away their position. PGI calls this "team treason" and they will punish for it. I was told the only time it's ever ok to give away a teammate's position is when they are they last mech, they have disconnected and it's clear they aren't going to reconnect.

Indeed, so basically if someone is actually trying (despite hopeless odds) you're not allowed to do anything about it.

[Lord Perversor]

TheArisen, on 28 July 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:

Indeed, so basically if someone is actually trying (despite hopeless odds) you're not allowed to do anything about it.

That's the thing if you see trying, wich also means you must watch a couple of mins to check how that player behaves.

But most of people are entitled whinners and will complain and start to blame/report position after 10 secs if they can't see that last players guns blazing.

[Shad0wsFury]

To be clear, I probably wouldn't report a player's position that is actually trying to fight. The only exception I make to that is if they are in a heavy or assault ECM mech (or medium) who still somehow has 90% armor or more after their entire team is dead because they like to sit back under ECM cover with their giant mech trying to "snipe" while their team died 500-1000 meters away. Call me a phallus--if you so desire--but I'm reporting that person's position too.

Basically what I'm saying is: If you aren't intentionally hampering the team to pad your own stats, and you aren't hiding like a coward, I would personally never report your position.

[martian]

And this is what the official rules of MWO actually say:

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Team Treason
"Treasonous provision of information to enemy combatants, also known as "bird-doging" is forbidden. This involves a player using the in-game chat to provide the enemy team with the locations of their own team mates. While we appreciate that some players may wish to have a round end early by calling out the location of an AFK team-mate, the risk that this could be used against an active participant of the match to deny them the use of cover and movement makes this a form of a griefing. You may declare a teammate AFK but not their coordinates or position."

People relaying the position of their own teammate to the enemy team are commiting the team treason. The rules are very unambiguous in this.

[CtrlAltWheee]

Lord Perversor, on 28 July 2015 - 12:13 PM, said:

It is possible to do so just not probable.

Still the players has the whole rights to Attempt to fight on his terms, as LONG you see it's flanking and not straight hidding, wait a couple of mins, check what he does then wait or leave match.

This. Seen enough games where that last guy with the erll takes 5 minutes to carve down the enemy, but he does it.

@shadow, I sympathize with the 1vs23 idea, but I won't ask a guy to quit. If he's intentionally dragging it out and being stubborn I leave and move on. If he's going to try for a 1vs4 -- considerable odds, but possible -- he has the right to play the game in peace. It's about playing the match out. At some point we all are that last guy against multiple enemies and pull out a win.

[MischiefSC]

Just report people who do that. They can exit the match if they want. Reporting your position is against tos and very feeble. Some people are control freaks though and if you don't do what they want they will try and screw your match up. You can't fix broken people but you can report them.

[Davegt27]

The abuse is like 1 in 20 more often than not your team mates will try to help you

Try to teach you

That’s how I learned about setting mouse sensitivity
I find if I get muted I can’t type or talk
I did a search and other players reported the same problem but maybe that’s how PGI wants it

Anyway the cry babies/ I mean upset players have great power just mute everyone at the beginning of a match

[CtrlAltWheee]

Shad0wsFury, on 28 July 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

To be clear, I probably wouldn't report a player's position that is actually trying to fight. The only exception I make to that is if they are in a heavy or assault ECM mech (or medium) who still somehow has 90% armor or more after their entire team is dead because they like to sit back under ECM cover with their giant mech trying to "snipe" while their team died 500-1000 meters away. Call me a phallus--if you so desire--but I'm reporting that person's position too.

Basically what I'm saying is: If you aren't intentionally hampering the team to pad your own stats, and you aren't hiding like a coward, I would personally never report your position.

Yea I don't think we're far apart here. There's a gray area.

[Novakaine]

ScreamingSkull, on 28 July 2015 - 12:11 PM, said:

I hate the idiots that hide when it's 1v12. He deserved to get sold out for griefing the enemy team.

Wrong make em work for it.
Nothing personal.
If I'm the surviving mech and my team gets stomped I won't make it easy for them at all.
If people are that impatient then just go get in another mech.
Ya got more than one i'd assume.
Novakaine goes hard.

[Lugh]

Paigan, on 28 July 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

Discussing errors.
Reporting teamkillers.
Talking about builds, impressive kills, etc etc.

No purpose? Very narrow-minded.

What the chat does need however is an ignore function.

I thought it had one? /ignore (name)