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[CycKath]

Damocles, on 30 July 2015 - 07:00 PM, said:

probably visual variants not actual TRO variants

Even so its like the Founders for MWO, a exclusive never to be repeated cosmetic variant that many might miss out on through no fault of their own.

[Juodas Varnas]

Damocles, on 30 July 2015 - 07:00 PM, said:

probably visual variants not actual TRO variants

It's still basically "Kickstart us if you want the full game" bullcrap you see everywhere, nowadays...

[Speedy Plysitkos]

the atlas.... seems mwo atlas.. a lot

[Cattra Kell]

Titannium, on 31 July 2015 - 12:06 AM, said:

the atlas.... seems mwo atlas.. a lot

Because it is

[Damocles]

Juodas Varnas, on 30 July 2015 - 09:38 PM, said:

It's still basically "Kickstart us if you want the full game" bullcrap you see everywhere, nowadays...

/shrug don't buy it.

Although plenty of pre-order cosmetic content is commonly exclusive since idk like 10 years.

[Juodas Varnas]

Damocles, on 31 July 2015 - 12:21 AM, said:

/shrug don't buy it.

Although plenty of pre-order cosmetic content is commonly exclusive since idk like 10 years.

Oh, i'd be fine if it was just cosmetic, but the way they worded it "Mech variant", makes me think that they'll either be:
a ) Exclusive variant of the mech only available to Kickstarters (which would be absolute bollocks, even though i'd probably still buy the game, just wouldn't Kickstart it, because i'm against such practices)
b ) A free extra mech you'd start the game with, but you'd be able to buy it in-game anyway, which is less likely in my opinion, but would be a much better option (even though i still wouldn't like it, because these things usually make the games easier, which i'm not a fan of)

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 31 July 2015 - 12:28 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Ascaloth, on 30 July 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:

Even worse, if they are giving 'Mechs as rewards, it means that 'Mechs will possibly be locked and you have to grind/pay for them, just like MWO.
Paulconomy everywhere.

welcome to f2p games, LOL, be happy happy if they will have MWO like f2p structure, ebcause then at leats everything is free to play.

[spectralthundr]

Lily from animove, on 31 July 2015 - 12:36 AM, said:

welcome to f2p games, LOL, be happy happy if they will have MWO like f2p structure, ebcause then at leats everything is free to play.

Except it won't be F2P. It'll be a retail sku much like Shadowrun.

[Juodas Varnas]

Lily from animove, on 31 July 2015 - 12:36 AM, said:

welcome to f2p games, LOL, be happy happy if they will have MWO like f2p structure, ebcause then at leats everything is free to play.

If it was free to play, one of the rewards wouldn't be a "Copy of the game".

It's going to be a retail game and if they're going to lock-out certain mechs, just because the person didn't Kickstart it, i'll be disappointed.
VERY DISAPPOINTED

[Grimvid]

Garou Wolfs Haven, on 29 July 2015 - 08:12 PM, said:

The best "BattleTech" PC game I ever played was MechForce for the Amiga. I always wanted FASA Interactive to make that style of game and for Windows. Instead we got MechCommander, not a bad game but it wasn't BattleTech for the PC. Same for some of the other BattleTech style games for PC.

At this point I don't care if it looks like cardboard cutouts on a paper map, if It ever gets made, I will never stop playing it.

Mechforce was a great game. Two of my friends brought Amigas just to play that game with me. I had heard that the guy who made the game was stationed at Bentwaters at the same time I was stationed at Upper Heyford.

I would play a 3D version of that game. I would also enjoy a Mechcommander type game.

[martian]

Titannium, on 31 July 2015 - 12:06 AM, said:

the atlas.... seems mwo atlas.. a lot

That's because Jordan Weisman and Russ Bullock have decided to co-operate.

[Hans Von Lohman]

What worries me about this game announcement is the fact it says "modern" turn based combat.

Modern? Wait, what does that mean? Modern?

No, don't change it. We want "Classic" turn based combat, as in the actual rules used in the board game. Don't re-invent the rulebook. There already is one, and it works so well that the various editions of the rules barely have changed at all from the original.

Just use those rules and call it done.

[Shredhead]

Hans Von Lohman, on 31 July 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

What worries me about this game announcement is the fact it says "modern" turn based combat.

Modern? Wait, what does that mean? Modern?

No, don't change it. We want "Classic" turn based combat, as in the actual rules used in the board game. Don't re-invent the rulebook. There already is one, and it works so well that the various editions of the rules barely have changed at all from the original.

Just use those rules and call it done.

No, "we" don't want a 1:1 regurgitation of the TT, "we" want to see an aged and wisened Jordan's vision of Battletech. Speak for yourself, buddy.

[bad arcade kitty]

i hope they will use the experience of mwo

when people actually play vs people they quickly realize the problem places of the theoretic design like how boating is incredibly effective and needs special stuff like ghost heat to hold it a bit, how legging is the best strategy unless there is something as generous as we have in mwo - 40 kmh hopping on 1 leg with no problems, i never ever read about torso twisting in any battletech novel either etc

[Damocles]

bad arcade kitty, on 31 July 2015 - 03:13 PM, said:

when people actually play vs people they quickly realize the problem places of the theoretic design like how boating is incredibly effective and needs special stuff like ghost heat to hold it a bit,

True but we do not know if they will even have a mechlab yet right?

[Pariah Devalis]

Damocles, on 31 July 2015 - 03:21 PM, said:

True but we do not know if they will even have a mechlab yet right?

...or if people will be playing against people.

[EgoSlayer]

Pariah Devalis, on 31 July 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

...or if people will be playing against people.

Can you play against other people in Shadowrun Returns? Me thinks therein lies your answer...

CN:No you can't.

[Hans Von Lohman]

Shredhead, on 31 July 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

No, "we" don't want a 1:1 regurgitation of the TT, "we" want to see an aged and wisened Jordan's vision of Battletech. Speak for yourself, buddy.

Jordan's name is in the credits of the first rulebook. Those ARE his rules for his vision of Battletech.

[Jack Gallows]

EgoSlayer, on 31 July 2015 - 04:09 PM, said:

Can you play against other people in Shadowrun Returns? Me thinks therein lies your answer...

CN:No you can't.

I don't think it'd rule out multiplayer for Battletech, might be a stretch goal for the Kickstarter and HBS has to know how important it is to Battletech/Mechwarrior players. Even if it's a post launch expansion...I'd be fine as long as the core game is solid as hell and once the multiplayer aspect hits (or earlier) there will be a robust game editor like Shadowrun has.

Hans Von Lohman, on 31 July 2015 - 05:29 PM, said:

Jordan's name is in the credits of the first rulebook. Those ARE his rules for his vision of Battletech.

A lot changes in 25 years and we just aren't sure how hardcore he'll go on the rules for a RPG game on the computer. Here's hoping it's an in depth experience without getting too bogged down. (Can we have melee finally? =D)

bad arcade kitty, on 31 July 2015 - 03:13 PM, said:

i hope they will use the experience of mwo

when people actually play vs people they quickly realize the problem places of the theoretic design like how boating is incredibly effective and needs special stuff like ghost heat to hold it a bit, how legging is the best strategy unless there is something as generous as we have in mwo - 40 kmh hopping on 1 leg with no problems, i never ever read about torso twisting in any battletech novel either etc

MW:O isn't the only 'mech game to have rampant boating, all the past sim games had it as well. I do hope 'mechs are more stock and if any changes happens they can't be too drastic so different variants and 'mech types matter over "what can I rip out of this 'mech," since Inner Sphere designs aren't supposed to be very modular without a ton of time and a ton of money. Also..there's plenty of torso twisting in the novels...some implied and the rest actually commented on.

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From http://www.mmorpg.co...ed-Schemes.html


MMORPG: In the past there has been some controversy over the use of images. What kind of impact does that have on your art team? Are we going to see the original Mechs or do you plan to go in an entirely new direction?

HBS: Whatever controversy there was regarding images from Southern Cross and Macross was settled over a decade ago, so there will be no impact on our art team.



My biggest question, and one I'm sure a lot of people share... is that this doesn't seem to stack up with what's happened in the last decade. Wonder if we'll ever get a more clear answer or that the unseen redesigns from CGL will help put this to bed for good.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 31 July 2015 - 06:28 PM.

[Cattra Kell]

Jack Gallows, on 31 July 2015 - 06:15 PM, said:

MMORPG: In the past there has been some controversy over the use of images. What kind of impact does that have on your art team? Are we going to see the original Mechs or do you plan to go in an entirely new direction?

HBS: Whatever controversy there was regarding images from Southern Cross and Macross was settled over a decade ago, so there will be no impact on our art team.

My biggest question, and one I'm sure a lot of people share... is that this doesn't seem to stack up with what's happened in the last decade. Wonder if we'll ever get a more clear answer or that the unseen redesigns from CGL will help put this to bed for good.

This makes me wonder what Catalyst is up to with the recent cover with the unseen... maybe trying to bait HG into something? I know they said they wouldn't do something without lawyers going over it first... makes me wonder sometimes.