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[Fastwind]

White Bear 84, on 06 January 2016 - 03:32 PM, said:

Solo's should be allowed to drop, but only if they first know how to play CW (suggest a CW training mode in the academy) and only if they rank high enough to contribute to the game..

NB:If you are commonly doing less that 500 dmg in 4 mechs you need to either 1. re-evaluate your builds or 2. re-evaluate how you are playing CW.

it's more like if you are commonly doing less than 1000 dmg THOUSAND in 4 mechs you should stop playing cw

[MischiefSC]

Fastwind, on 09 January 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

it's more like if you are commonly doing less than 1000 dmg THOUSAND in 4 mechs you should stop playing cw

You can have one-off games where you throw up a bad score. Happens to everyone.

However, as a given rule you need to break 1k. That's 250 damage per mech in pug matches. If you want to really be 'contributing' you need to break 1600. That's 400 damage, that's enough to keep you in the high end of Tier 3.

If someone can't do that consistently they need to stop, take stock of what they're doing and what they're bringing and try to adjust and adapt.

Edited by MischiefSC, 09 January 2016 - 02:58 PM.

[Jarl Dane]

I support the OP.

Increase the rewards and make it unit/group only.

[mikerso]

MischiefSC, on 09 January 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

You can have one-off games where you throw up a bad score. Happens to everyone.

However, as a given rule you need to break 1k. That's 250 damage per mech in pug matches. If you want to really be 'contributing' you need to break 1600. That's 400 damage, that's enough to keep you in the high end of Tier 3.

If someone can't do that consistently they need to stop, take stock of what they're doing and what they're bringing and try to adjust and adapt.

Mech The Dane, on 09 January 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:

I support the OP.

Increase the rewards and make it unit/group only.

I understand your point and that of the OP, however we were all pugs once. What if we were never invited to a unit.

I am not some stellar recruit, but I was an FRR PUG dropping solo in community warfare. I was invited to join SO by Theaus in one of those games. Helping pugs that drop solo, is an extremely effective way to get new blood.

Fastwind, on 09 January 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

it's more like if you are commonly doing less than 1000 dmg THOUSAND in 4 mechs you should stop playing cw

I disagree with your assesment. Other day a few SO members dropped with a premade from a well known merc corps. Only one member in the corps broke 1k damage by a long shot. Most of us in the group were right around 1k. We rolled the Clan team all the way back to their spawn.

[Sandpit]

mikerso, on 10 January 2016 - 02:14 AM, said:

however we were all pugs once. What if we were never invited to a unit.

this is part of the mentality that needs to be changed though.

We were all new players at some time.
PUG has nothing to do with "good" or "bad"
This weekend Marik has had a mishmash of nothing BUT PUGs and have faced off against everything from other PUGs to 12man teams and have done very well. We played under very basic guidelines in our drop bay.
Drop lead calls
We follow the strategy
We focus targets
We coordinate and communicate

That's the difference in a group of PUGs that understand those concepts and a PUG of 12 solo players wanting to do their "own thing".

And before anyone even THINKS to say it, we picked up MANY solo players out of faction chat to fill us out every time we needed it. Guess what they did when they joined us?
They played as a team with us!

We politely asked and suggested what we would be doing and asked them to help us. Not a single, solitary one of them complained, disliked it, or felt pressured or like they were "unwelcome".

We have picked up so many new players, some doing their first CW drop ever, over this weekend just using faction chat it was amazing.

If YOUR faction chat, faction, and CW experience is different, then YOU start self-policing and helping build a good community within your faction and that has ZERO to do with PUG, solo, new, vet, 12man, etc.

That has to do with building a community and making new players WANT to drop with you, coordinate, hang out on TS, have some fun, meet some new friends.

If that's not what you're looking for then CW is most definitely not the mode for you because that's truly what CW is for.

[White Bear 84]

Fastwind, on 09 January 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

it's more like if you are commonly doing less than 1000 dmg THOUSAND in 4 mechs you should stop playing cw

Benefit of the doubt for newer or less experienced players so would argue same as Mischief to adapt or learn, but yes I share your sentiment..

Edited by White Bear 84, 10 January 2016 - 05:48 AM.

[Sandpit]

White Bear 84, on 10 January 2016 - 05:46 AM, said:

Benefit of the doubt for newer or less experienced players so would argue same as Mischief to adapt or learn, but yes I share your sentiment..

it's like I tell players in PUB drops, if you are consistently doing less than 250 damage in anything bigger than a light mech, it's time to start looking inward as to why. Whether that be play style, build, mech, loadout, player skill, etc.
At that point it becomes more than simply "my team sucks" and if you want to be "better" at the game you really need to start examining some of the factors I listed above.

Throughout all the teams, PUGs, premades, solos, new players, factions, units, and losses there is only one singular constant and that is the individual player

[Armando]

Sandpit, on 10 January 2016 - 04:26 AM, said:

That's the difference in a group of PUGs that understand those concepts and a PUG of 12 solo players wanting to do their "own thing".

Almost like Rambo Warriors 'solo's', and Lone Wolves 'pugs' are two completely different animals? Could it even be said that one makes solid contribution to the CW matches they drop in, while the other makes the game experience less enjoyable for everyone involved??? If it WAS said, while it might not be the 'right thing to SAY', would the person saying it be 'wrong'?

[Uncle Totty]

Armando, on 10 January 2016 - 10:02 AM, said:

Almost like Rambo Warriors 'solo's', and Lone Wolves 'pugs' are two completely different animals? Could it even be said that one makes solid contribution to the CW matches they drop in, while the other makes the game experience less enjoyable for everyone involved??? If it WAS said, while it might not be the 'right thing to SAY', would the person saying it be 'wrong'?

"Solo" just means you are not in a pre-made, as a pre-made of six is still PUG. (How many times do we need to tell you this?)

[Sandpit]

Nathan K, on 10 January 2016 - 11:23 AM, said:

"Solo" just means you are not in a pre-made, as a pre-made of six is still PUG. (How many times do we need to tell you this?)

Take note Armandon, this is why I've stopped replying to you and ignoring you. You know the context, it's been explained to you, either grow up and participate in a "grown up conversation" that helps the entire community or go back to finding a new thread to troll the community with.

Stop being dense, it was "funny" 20 pages ago, now it's just getting relegated to ignore status and getting your ideas (some of which are good) ignored and dismissed because of your persistence in things like this

Armando, on 10 January 2016 - 10:02 AM, said:

Almost like Rambo Warriors 'solo's', and Lone Wolves 'pugs' are two completely different animals? Could it even be said that one makes solid contribution to the CW matches they drop in, while the other makes the game experience less enjoyable for everyone involved??? If it WAS said, while it might not be the 'right thing to SAY', would the person saying it be 'wrong'?

[Armando]

Nathan K, on 10 January 2016 - 11:23 AM, said:

"Solo" just means you are not in a pre-made, as a pre-made of six is still PUG. (How many times do we need to tell you this?)

Lone Wolf: means they are not in a pre-made. They are aware and act like they are part of a team w/o being in a group.
PUG: means they are not in a pre-made. They are aware and act like they are part of a team w/o being in a group.
Solo....means that they are steaming hot selfish garbage. They play the game alone all game, every game.

Solo = alone (never alone)
Solo = without teammates (never without teammates)
Solo = is outside the community

What a pilot says/posts: I am a "solo" pilot.
What I (any anyone who knows better) hears/reads: I am steaming hot, selfish as the day is long, garbage.

In any case the term "solo" was, is, and forever will be associated with the worst scum in the game.
There is no worse insult in the game than to call out a pilot for playing 'solo'.
Aim can be improved, the maps can be learned, but selfish A$$H073 is forever.

You call em what ever you want, call yourself what ever you want....I am going to call them what the are.

Edited by Armando, 10 January 2016 - 07:57 PM.

[mikerso]

Sandpit, on 10 January 2016 - 12:55 PM, said:

Take note Armandon, this is why I've stopped replying to you and ignoring you. You know the context, it's been explained to you, either grow up and participate in a "grown up conversation" that helps the entire community or go back to finding a new thread to troll the community with.

Stop being dense, it was "funny" 20 pages ago, now it's just getting relegated to ignore status and getting your ideas (some of which are good) ignored and dismissed because of your persistence in things like this

Gonna have to side with Armando here. Not all solo players are created equal. As you stated yourself some are open to suggestion, and potentially being brought under a unit wing. If a player says they are in CW just as a solo player (on my own player) remind them nicely that cw is a team game. If a player is there solo, but willing to learn bring them in.

Not sure the beef you guys have, but remember to keep the thread constructive. We aren't just speaking to us, but those solo players out there that are hoping to join cw as well.

[Sandpit]

mikerso, on 10 January 2016 - 09:30 PM, said:

Gonna have to side with Armando here. Not all solo players are created equal.

not all
PUGs
Solo players
12mans
premades
players
builds
are created equal. Fail to see what that has to do with anything I said.

I have no "beef" with him, I quite simply am tired of hearing how certain players should be excluded from CW, how CW is "unfair", how CW should have a separate solo queue, how CW should be (insert whatever bandwagon they're currently trying to publicize) in the name of "it's hurting the game and/or new players"

It's a load of horse sh*t

It's been plainly, clearly, and EASILY explained
step by step
repeatedly
on how to extremely mitigate those issues with your particular faction's new players, solos, etc.

If you choose to ignore it (which they do) then that's on them. Don't care what they have to say at that point because after 3 years it is VERY easy to spot those that quite simply just want their
easy button
easy mode
club seal mode
etc.

It's not because of some altruistic notion and mentality, it's done for no other purpose than to push whatever bandwagon's agenda they've currently jumped on.
plain and simple.

Again, that may sound a bit harsh, but it's the real truth of it.

If they were truly as altruistic as they want everyone to think they are, there wouldn't even be ANY kind of discussion about using things like faction chat, your faction forum section, posting to new players, giving tips, etc.

Are they doing that?
Go ahead and check their post history.

Then we'll discuss who's really here trying to have discussions on how to improve CW and/or MWO for everyone and who's simply here using that as a facade to get whatever idea they personally want implemented even if it would be detrimental to several others aspects and/or portions of the population.

The second someone admits to "using click bait" just to get their thread page count up, I dismiss any and everything they have to say until they show they can have an actual adult conversation and help discuss how to improve MWO.

See, the ones that do want to improve it, they don't have one singular idea they're sticking to, they've come up with multiple ideas on how to improve different sections of the game instead of replying with "Nuh uh (insert strawman here) shows I'm right and my idea should be done" even when they're shown factual examples of why it's wouldn't work

[Uncle Totty]

Armando, on 10 January 2016 - 07:51 PM, said:

Lone Wolf: means they are not in a pre-made. They are aware and act like they are part of a team w/o being in a group.
PUG: means they are not in a pre-made. They are aware and act like they are part of a team w/o being in a group.
Solo....means that they are steaming hot selfish garbage. They play the game alone all game, every game.

Solo = alone (never alone)
Solo = without teammates (never without teammates)
Solo = is outside the community

What a pilot says/posts: I am a "solo" pilot.
What I (any anyone who knows better) hears/reads: I am steaming hot, selfish as the day is long, garbage.

In any case the term "solo" was, is, and forever will be associated with the worst scum in the game.
There is no worse insult in the game than to call out a pilot for playing 'solo'.
Aim can be improved, the maps can be learned, but selfish A$$H073 is forever.

You call em what ever you want, call yourself what ever you want....I am going to call them what the are.

"Lone Wolfs act like they are part of a team"? You really do not know what you are talking about. "Lone Wolf" can be best used for what you use "solo" for.

Also, a PUG (Pick Up Group) is a coblation of individuals and/or SMALLER GROUPS. (So yes, a pre-made of six is still PUGing.)

[TWIAFU]

MischiefSC, on 09 January 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

You can have one-off games where you throw up a bad score. Happens to everyone.

However, as a given rule you need to break 1k. That's 250 damage per mech in pug matches. If you want to really be 'contributing' you need to break 1600. That's 400 damage, that's enough to keep you in the high end of Tier 3.

If someone can't do that consistently they need to stop, take stock of what they're doing and what they're bringing and try to adjust and adapt.

I am proof positive you can have off games....



Now, one huge thing about the Unit I am in or just Unit's in general, they are a wealth of information.

I know I can ask anyone of the members ANY question and get an honest and informative answer. There is no fear of asking a "dumb" question. Sometimes you just have to swallow that pride and ask for help.

[Armando]

Nathan K, on 11 January 2016 - 02:28 AM, said:

"Lone Wolfs act like they are part of a team"? You really do not know what you are talking about. "Lone Wolf" can be best used for what you use "solo" for.

Also, a PUG (Pick Up Group) is a coblation of individuals and/or SMALLER GROUPS. (So yes, a pre-made of six is still PUGing.)

A Wolf is a predator, a PUG is a "Pick-up-Guy in a Pick-up-GROUP", while self proclaimed "Solo" pilots are steaming garbage who play the game alone. You want to tell everyone you are a "solo" player, go right on head....Identify yourself as garbage.

You could replace the term "Solo" with the term "Seal"....that is accurate (not talking about the Seal's you find in the Navy either....I'm talking about the kind of "Seal" that gets clubbed by any/all real teams of players)

Edited by Armando, 11 January 2016 - 06:44 AM.

[CrazyWorm9]

Ever read the lore, lone-wolfs exist in battle tech and was used often to stem the tide of battle. think of it this way phase 3 will change cw soo much wait till then then campaign this nonsense. Besides most lone-wolfs only join units if they fight beside a unit and like that units style.

[MischiefSC]

TWIAFU, on 11 January 2016 - 03:22 AM, said:

I am proof positive you can have off games....



Now, one huge thing about the Unit I am in or just Unit's in general, they are a wealth of information.

I know I can ask anyone of the members ANY question and get an honest and informative answer. There is no fear of asking a "dumb" question. Sometimes you just have to swallow that pride and ask for help.

I'm not saying people need to throw up 1500 damage games all the time or they're terrible - that just needs to be your focus. Can vary on your builds, etc. If you play Clans and the trials, that Dire is a killing machine with minimal damage output.

What's important is that people compete with themselves and set goals to improve to.

[Sandpit]

CrazyWorm, on 11 January 2016 - 07:37 AM, said:

Ever read the lore, lone-wolfs exist in battle tech and was used often to stem the tide of battle. think of it this way phase 3 will change cw soo much wait till then then campaign this nonsense. Besides most lone-wolfs only join units if they fight beside a unit and like that units style.

not exactly
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lone_Wolves
Lone Wolves are a loose collection of independent fighting together as a mercenary cartel. (The VERY first line in the article I might add)


What part of that implies a single pilot in a single mech?

EDIT:
PGI
Fix your dam forum formatting already.
These are the "rinky dink" type things that make you look like a haphazard company honestly. 3 years and we still can't even do simple cut and paste text without having to reedit everything
(Ok, rant over, but seriously, PGI fix this kind of crap)

Edited by Sandpit, 11 January 2016 - 11:49 AM.

[CrazyWorm9]

Sandpit, on 11 January 2016 - 11:47 AM, said:

not exactly
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lone_Wolves
Lone Wolves are a loose collection of independent fighting together as a mercenary cartel. (The VERY first line in the article I might add)


What part of that implies a single pilot in a single mech?

not the point the single pilots in solo drop form lances with other solo pilots just like the lone wolfs and not being apart of the mrbc they do what they want when they want usually aid a defender or attacker if defender refuses their aid. solo players in turn play out just as a lone-wolf in lore but to a more smaller scale as was in lore

from sarna.net

• Each Company, Lance, and sometimes even 'Mech, is considered an independent contractor that owes no loyalty to other members of the Lone Wolves. The Committee demands payment from their employer every day, and each day they pay the MechWarriors who fight. If a MechWarrior doesn't like the deal or wants to take a day off, he is free to do so but won't be paid for that day. Once a MechWarrior is paid, The Committee expects him to fight.^[7] Every MechWarrior must pay for every single work that is done for their equipment by the Lone Wolves' technical group.

kinda sounds like solo players in mwo

Edited by CrazyWorm, 11 January 2016 - 12:15 PM.