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[Lugh]

GrimRiver, on 13 August 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

People say "my aim sucks go for the legs" and then I have 7 pages worth of people noting how much trouble they have killing the ACH because of hitbox, hit reg and lagshield issues on it.

Before that the game had bad hit reg issues and people said my aim just sucks and it turned out it WAS a hit reg issue that later got fixed and I bet some people are gonna feel funny when it turns out the ACH IS broken.

This may be shocking to some people but REGULAR GOOD OLD MLAS are the best at legging lights.
Any long burn laser will do in a pinch.
Hitscan weapons are AWESOME at target detection so trace with MLAS and when it turns red keep rolling to hips and hit AC X and profit.

[Jack Shayu Walker]

To summerize my stance on the issue.

-I can kill Cheetahs just fine.

-I believe Cheetahs are overpowered because they outperform every other mech in their weightclass at general light duties. Ravens, Adders, and Kitfoxes aren't affected and I never meant to imply that they were; all three mechs have niche duties that the AC and other lights can't fill; two out of those three don't even behave like light mechs.

-The cheetah may not be perfect in every respect, but it has great speed, great damage, clan range, great survivability, and ECM all in one package. Other lights are still playable, it'd be silly to imply that they weren't, but the AC fills the harasser role better than any other mech now.

-I believe that the Cheetah needs to be toned down, and be put more in line with Firestarters and Jenners. A hitbox fix would be a start, and some negative laser quirks on the ECM torso would also be nice.

[1453 R]

GrimRiver, on 13 August 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

People say "my aim sucks go for the legs" and then I have 7 pages worth of people noting how much trouble they have killing the ACH because of hitbox, hit reg and lagshield issues on it.

Before that the game had bad hit reg issues and people said my aim just sucks and it turned out it WAS a hit reg issue that later got fixed and I bet some people are gonna feel funny when it turns out the ACH IS broken.

Here's the issue.

You're not asking them to investigate possible errors in the hitboxes. Again, people have accused every 130+kph light 'Mech that has ever come out of having 'broken hitboxes'. Spider, Commando, Raven, Firestarter, all of them.

You're asking them to ruin the Arctic Cheetah. This and every other thread all complaining that the Cheetah is unrecoverably broken are all asking for the 'Mech to be destroyed, and for the Clans to once again be reduced to the fantastically inadequate Ice Ferret as their only option for fast strike roles.

Does the thing need the egregious structure quirks it's got? No. Nobody knows why Piranha gave it a bunch of upquirks, and every reasonable Clan pilot I've seen agrees that they're not needed and should go. If there are actual problems with hit registration, fix them. But remember - this exact same hullabaloo has been thrown around for the Spider, the Raven, the Firestarter, the COMMANDO of all things...everything that manages to go over a hundred and thirty klicks, and a few things that haven't, with the notable exception of the Jenner and its extremely disadvantageous geometry.

I've seen "hitreg made me lose!" so often in this place that I've stopped believing it. It's the new "matchmaking made me lose!" Common Complaint for People Who Don't Want to Acknowledge They Might Not Be Awesome (abbreviated to CCfPWDWtATMNBA). If hitreg was actually as bad as the forums made it out to be, the game would be completely unplayable because nobody would ever land damage on anything.

Anything that reaches CCfPWDWtATMNBA status? It's basically a ghost issue. At this point people will point to anything as 'proof' that hitreg is borked, simply because the notion 'hitreg is borked' is so pervasive on the forums that it's become the first thing anyone thinks of when anything at all happens. It used to be that matchmaking was the go-to automatic reflexive excuse, and frankly everyone got tired of the endless "matchmaking is BROKEN! Fix it NYAOW!" threads, too.

Look outside that one, singular game you've been holding up as incontrovertible proof of the Cheetah's utterly broken nature and the reason it should be effectively nerfed out of the game, and ask yourself this, Grim.

Is the Cheetah truly, completely, indisputably broken...or is it possible that maybe you've had a few bad WTF moments combined with your aim not being quite as precise as it could be?

Because I, for one, freely admit that I can't hold a beam steady on lights of any stripe, not just Cheetahs, to save my existence and so they give me no end of trouble. Those guys can soak damage from me far more effectively than most mediums and many heavies - they're small, they're fast, they're twitchy, and my damn-dirty-casual man hands and their lack of Monster-fueled teenage reflexes can't keep up. I'd much rather fight a Timber Wolf than a Cheetah - one of those isn't nearly so effective at deliberately throwing off my aim.

[GrimRiver]

I got shadowplay to work but im trying to figure out how to upload from folder straight to here.

You want proof im gonna bring proof...when I catch it in the act, but in the meantime how about people bring ME proof that ACH isn't broken in someway because im starting to think that the small amount of people defending it is afraid of losing their ubermech.

[meteorol]

GrimRiver, on 13 August 2015 - 12:03 PM, said:

You want proof im gonna bring proof...when I catch it in the act, but in the meantime how about people bring ME proof that ACH isn't broken in someway because im starting to think that the small amount of people defending it is afraid of losing their ubermech.

You make a claim and want others to prove you wrong without proving your claim first? That is not how things work.

[Mcgral18]

GrimRiver, on 13 August 2015 - 12:03 PM, said:

I got shadowplay to work but im trying to figure out how to upload from folder straight to here.

You need to upload/host it elsewhere then link it.


Youtube, for example.

[MechWarrior5152251]

GrimRiver, on 12 August 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

Anybody else getting very tired of the ACH living though everything you pump into it's CT that very much will kill any assault only for it to run around all happy go lucky without a care in the world?

The ACH has been a broken mech since it came out, hiding behind hit reg and lagshield issues like for exp: A few matches ago I was in my atlas-d-dc that does an alpha of 53.8 and had a very hurt ACH at 30% with an open bloodred CT run around me only to overheat from firing 3meds after I fired 2 alphas dead center into his CT he gets back up from overheating and runs off with 28% health.

This was 1 of MANY times this has happened, not just to me but my teammates as well.


Is there anything gonna be done about this issue?

Nerf incoming. As soon as they have sold as many as they can for MC....

[Mystere]

MechWarrior5152251, on 13 August 2015 - 04:41 PM, said:

Nerf incoming. As soon as they have sold as many as they can for MC....

You're busy trolling the forums today, aren't you?

[Armored Yokai]

AC5 dragon's love arctic cheaters the HSR is spot on

[GrimRiver]

Mcgral18, on 13 August 2015 - 12:56 PM, said:

You need to upload/host it elsewhere then link it.


Youtube, for example.

Oh boy, well this is gonna take awhile because the videos are 5 minutes each and it take an hour just to upload 30 seconds to youtube.

[GrimRiver]

meteorol, on 13 August 2015 - 12:53 PM, said:

You make a claim and want others to prove you wrong without proving your claim first? That is not how things work.

It's not just me making the claim, there's plenty of other people on here talking about how OP or messed up the ACH is more so then the people defending it and they haven't proven that it's NOT broken yet sooo...

And im not on here to prove a point.

The reason it may seem like nothing is wrong with it is because not enough people are looking at the time of incident, they just shoot at it like any other mech and think nothing else but when you REALLY look at it you will most likely notice it take WAY more shots then it should be taking.

[Dino Might]

Lugh, on 13 August 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

Only they aren't. The fire starter runs more lasers, cooler for ~slightly more firepower.

And good pilots beat ACH pilots in them all the time. And vice versa.

This is false. Look at the damage numbers for the Clan vs IS lasers you are comparing.

For example:
7 CSMP = 42 damage
8 IS SMP = 32 damage

That's one less laser and still 30% higher damage per alpha. Oh yeah, and 50m greater range.
I know you are going to bring up sustained fire - okay, show me the numbers there. Then consider that if you are facetanking alpha after alpha in a light, you're doing it wrong.

Fact is, both the FS9 and ACH have the ability to facetank alpha after alpha, which is the only reason we even worry about sustained firepower with those mechs. They're already borked, and then we have a 40+ damage alpha from one of them. It's absurd.

Edited by Dino Might, 14 August 2015 - 07:24 AM.

[Hornviech]

GrimRiver, on 12 August 2015 - 09:24 AM, said:

Anybody else getting very tired of the ACH living though everything you pump into it's CT that very much will kill any assault only for it to run around all happy go lucky without a care in the world?

The ACH has been a broken mech since it came out, hiding behind hit reg and lagshield issues like for exp: A few matches ago I was in my atlas-d-dc that does an alpha of 53.8 and had a very hurt ACH at 30% with an open bloodred CT run around me only to overheat from firing 3meds after I fired 2 alphas dead center into his CT he gets back up from overheating and runs off with 28% health.

This was 1 of MANY times this has happened, not just to me but my teammates as well.


Is there anything gonna be done about this issue?

Ooooh yeees hmm its the same withe the Jenner, the Firestarter, the Raven and the Spider isn't it

Except Laserduration is longe and longer cooldown.

Its a typical "meeeeeeeh the clan mechs are soooo OP meeeeeehheeeeeeheeee!!!!!

[MechWarrior3671771]

"You're asking them to ruin the Arctic Cheetah."

You lost me here with this hyperbole. People are saying its out of balance, not that it needs to be destroyed.

Three matches in a row last night ended with my team's 6-8 mechs standing in a circle unloading alpha after alpha because the thing just would not die. It gets ridiculous, and something is broken.

[Adiuvo]

Fenrisulvyn, on 14 August 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

"You're asking them to ruin the Arctic Cheetah."

You lost me here with this hyperbole. People are saying its out of balance, not that it needs to be destroyed.

Three matches in a row last night ended with my team's 6-8 mechs standing in a circle unloading alpha after alpha because the thing just would not die. It gets ridiculous, and something is broken.

Increasing the hitboxes past the visual representation is exactly what people are asking for. That also ruins the mech. This happened to the Raven's legs for a long time.

People said the same **** about the Firestarter for ages. Literally the same claims of broken hitboxes and tanking too much. It's calmed down now with basically no changes to the mech from PGI.

The ACH doesn't have any broken hitboxes. It registers damage as it should, ignoring any basic problems with hit reg in this game that affect all mechs. What isn't as it seems is people's aim.

[GrimRiver]

I have it people proof the ACH is broken, I'll upload the video in 2 or so hours. To sum up the video at end of the match my teams lone ACH takes a beating by 5 mech all over him, he overheats even while taking a beating...still dies though but the beating would've killed any other light a long time ago.

Edited by GrimRiver, 14 August 2015 - 08:42 AM.

[1453 R]

GrimRiver, on 14 August 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

I have it people proof the ACH is broken, I'll upload the video in 2 or so hours. To sum up the video at end of the match my teams lone ACH takes a beating by 5 mech all over him, he overheats even while taking a beating...still dies though but the beating would've killed any other light a long time ago.

"I have proof of the Arctic Cheetah being broken and needing to be destroyed! it's a video where 5 'Mechs shoot an Arctic Cheetah for a while and it dies in the end!"

Seriously, man? Just...seriously?

[GrimRiver]

1453 R, on 14 August 2015 - 08:56 AM, said:

"I have proof of the Arctic Cheetah being broken and needing to be destroyed! it's a video where 5 'Mechs shoot an Arctic Cheetah for a while and it dies in the end!"

Seriously, man? Just...seriously?

Whats not serious about it? The fact it took 5 mechs focusing fire just to kill him or that he dies but somehow negates that fact that it took 5 mechs to kill him. If it were any other light they would've died within 15 seconds but he took 40 seconds worth of beating and before that he was already at 69%.

[Mcgral18]

GrimRiver, on 14 August 2015 - 07:05 AM, said:

Oh boy, well this is gonna take awhile because the videos are 5 minutes each and it take an hour just to upload 30 seconds to youtube.

You can convert it to MP4 and it would upload in 10 minutes, but mine always look like ****.

[Catra Lanis]

Fenrisulvyn, on 14 August 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

"You're asking them to ruin the Arctic Cheetah."

You lost me here with this hyperbole. People are saying its out of balance, not that it needs to be destroyed.

Three matches in a row last night ended with my team's 6-8 mechs standing in a circle unloading alpha after alpha because the thing just would not die. It gets ridiculous, and something is broken.

I have found a personal solution. I run mechs that at least have a chance against it and every match I ignore other enemies. I go only for the Cheetahs. Once they are gone or I am I start enjoying the match.