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[Lugh]

ugrakarma, on 14 August 2015 - 04:44 AM, said:

Please elaborate how I "circled in the open" so the ACH could get behind me? And we had a deal that no back to the wall to make it somewhat fair.

I wasn't saying anything about your example, which is staged in a duel. And agreeing to do that against a light is silly, but I can see how he wouldn't accept if it wasn't a condition.

Too often people agree to terms that don't let them fight their fight.

YOU did exceedingly well turning and anticipating his movements.

I merely commented that it would have been even easier had you had your back to something.

In the wild, which is where the complaints stem from, that is the best way to fight lights when isolated.

Edited by Lugh, 14 August 2015 - 05:40 AM.

[nehebkau]

Sheesh,
More people crying about light mechs. If you would learn how to shoot and to pilot, lights become a non-issue unless they are piloted by a skilled, coordinated team. If lights are piloted by a skilled opponent and are used in a coordinated way shouldn't they be just as deadly as any other mech?

[MechWarrior3671771]

"If lights are piloted by a skilled opponent and are used in a coordinated way shouldn't they be just as deadly as any other mech?"

Hop in a Raven 3L and dogfight a Firestarter and Cheetah. If you can win 2 of 3 I'll take you seriously.

[Lugh]

Fenrisulvyn, on 14 August 2015 - 06:10 AM, said:

"If lights are piloted by a skilled opponent and are used in a coordinated way shouldn't they be just as deadly as any other mech?"

Hop in a Raven 3L and dogfight a Firestarter and Cheetah. If you can win 2 of 3 I'll take you seriously.

Can't take you seriously as the Raven 3l isn't designed as a dog fighter. That is why you fail. Taking a mech that isn't designed for something and trying to make it do that other something as well as a mech that is CLEARLY designed to do that job well.

You might as well say, stand in the open and duel an LRM boat with your large laser boat without using cover.

It's just as tactically and strategically dumb.

[Veev]

Mister D, on 13 August 2015 - 01:26 AM, said:

It needs those structure bonuses removed.

For a fast light, it should be on par with any IS tier1 light, soon as its out for Cbills that is the only mech that is going to get played.

Between its lagshield, ECM, and pretty impressive SPL boating, it doesn't need to be as tough to kill as it is.

Why it got quirked up so much right out of the gate.. baffles me when PGI knew right from the start that this was going to be not only the Clan's best light right from the start, but maybe the best light in the entire game.

If you cannot figure out why PGI would do such a thing....

Lets just say it has something to do with artificial sales and un skilled players wanting to feel like good players...

[ZippySpeedMonkey]

Actually, if anything I've found it to be a disappointment...

It has too many jump jets and I find that the engine is too big, as a result it wastes valuable tonnage that I could use to optimize it...

I actually prefer the Panther, and the sad part is that I had really high hopes for this clan mech..

Edited by ZippySpeedMonkey, 14 August 2015 - 06:41 AM.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"Can't take you seriously as the Raven 3L isn't designed as a dog fighter. That is why you fail. Taking a mech that isn't designed for something"

Wrong. I never said the Raven 3L is designed to dog fight. Its a scout mech, and what do scout mechs routinely encounter? Other light mechs. And he didn't make the distinction either, he said: "If lights are piloted by a skilled opponent and are used in a coordinated way shouldn't they be just as deadly as any other mech?"


"you might as well stand in the open and duel an LRM boat with your large laser boat without using cover"

That's a false analogy, the laser boat has the option of using cover, the Raven does not have the option of avoiding firestarters or cheetahs.


"It's just as tactically and strategically dumb."

How so? You are out scouting or sniping, you don't *choose* to dogfight, but its either stand and fight or die running away. Do you even pilot lights?

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 14 August 2015 - 06:52 AM.

[MechWarrior3671771]

You were about to say the Raven 3L is weaker to compensate for having ECM...

[cheetah wizzes by]

Go on.....

[Tetra One]

wow a mech from the latest pack considered 'broken' havent seen that before... /s

no worries it will get nerfed by the next pack release as usual...guess what will be considered 'broken' then

but hey gotta keep those servers running eh..

[Lugh]

Fenrisulvyn, on 14 August 2015 - 06:43 AM, said:

"Can't take you seriously as the Raven 3L isn't designed as a dog fighter. That is why you fail. Taking a mech that isn't designed for something"

Wrong. I never said the Raven 3L is designed to dog fight. Its a scout mech, and what do scout mechs routinely encounter? Other light mechs. And he didn't make the distinction either, he said: "If lights are piloted by a skilled opponent and are used in a coordinated way shouldn't they be just as deadly as any other mech?"


"you might as well stand in the open and duel an LRM boat with your large laser boat without using cover"

That's a false analogy, the laser boat has the option of using cover, the Raven does not have the option of avoiding firestarters or cheetahs.


"It's just as tactically and strategically dumb."

How so? You are out scouting or sniping, you don't *choose* to dogfight, but its either stand and fight or die running away. Do you even pilot lights?

I'm so sorry you seem to be having such trouble with simple concepts. You are a scout mech with long range weapons, you encounter dog fighters, you inform the team and work your way back to the team while avoiding the optimal range of those dog fighters.

You continue to poke while you can, you have been the proper bait, your team kills them when they get in range of the team.

Yes I pilot lights. I pilot all mech chassis so I know what each is capable of, in a Raven, standing and fighting is dumb as you have equivalent speed. If you weren't FAILING at scouting you could avoid the dog fighters more often.

What I mean by that is you found a juicy morsel scoped in and lost sight of your primary job role, SCOUTING.

How do I know you've made that mistake? Because I see it over and over again. I do it too on occasion. I am not perfect, far from it. But when I make a mistake, I can identify what it was that I DID that caused me to lose out.

Edited by Lugh, 14 August 2015 - 08:22 AM.

[Dino Might]

Lugh, on 14 August 2015 - 07:07 AM, said:

I'm so sorry you seem to be having such trouble with simple concepts. You are a scout mech with long range weapons, you encounter dog fighters, you inform the team and work your way back to the team while avoiding the optimal range of those dog fighters.

You continue to poke while you can, you have been the proper bait, your team kills them when they get in range of the team.

Yes I pilot lights. I pilot all mech chassis so I know what each is capable of, in a Raven, standing and fighting is dumb as you have equivalent speed. If you weren't FAILING at scouting you could avoid the dog fighters more often.

What I mean by that is you found a juicy morsel scoped in and lost sight of your primary job role, SCOUTING.

If you have equivalent speed, then when you see him come over a hill 200m away, you are dead no matter what you do. You can't outrun him. He will continue drilling 30-40 damage alphas into you as you are turned around without any return fire because you were "smart" to run away.

Even in a Locust, I have a very difficult time running away from anything going over 130kph, because the speed differential, roughly 20-30 kph for most lights, is not enough to increase the distance fast enough. They can still get off 2-3 alphas if I was running straight away. I can't do that because one would kill me, so I have to juke, which reduces my effective retreating speed, only narrowing the speed discrepancy.

Some lights are head and shoulders above the rest - those lights are the ACH and FS9. There's no way you can say a Raven is on equal footing with a Cheeto. A Raven is on similar footing to a Locust, but the LCT-1E still outperforms it many times. I'd say the Jenner is the closest competition in the light class for the aforementioned monsters.

I'll take a Cheeto vs your Raven on any map you want. See how it plays out.

Edited by Dino Might, 14 August 2015 - 07:34 AM.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"I'm so sorry you seem to be having such trouble with simple concepts. You are a scout mech with long range weapons"

If you want to get condescending with me, stop making ignorant assumptions. My Ravens run large pulse, medium pulse, med lasers and SRMs. I find the 2ERL sniper to be a bad build because for a variety of reasons, unless it stays with the main body.

Anyone who has run Raven 3Ls for awhile understands this. The Firestarter has 8 laser hardpoints and you will usually encounter them alone away from your team. Hence the swap to weaps with less burn time.

Again, its sounds like you don't know what you're talking about. And getting insulting is a good tell that you are trying to cover your ignorance with ad hom. Please try again.

[Yosharian]

Don't worry, the Cheetah will get the leg structure nerfs it needs to make it balanced.

Just before it's released for cbills...

[Davegt27]

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I feel like the only problem with the ACH is that it's simply too tough

ok thanks for getting to the point

you feel like the ACH is to tough

[Adiuvo]

Fenrisulvyn, on 14 August 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

If you want to get condescending with me, stop making ignorant assumptions. My Ravens run large pulse, medium pulse, med lasers and SRMs. I find the 2ERL sniper to be a bad build because for a variety of reasons, unless it stays with the main body.

The reason why a short range Raven is bad is precisely due to what you're complaining about.

This is like me taking a PPC/Gauss DDC then complaining that I can't peek. Well, duh.

[Yosharian]

Adiuvo, on 14 August 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

The reason why a short range Raven is bad is precisely due to what you're complaining about.

This is like me taking a PPC/Gauss DDC then complaining that I can't peek. Well, duh.

Can't the Arctic Cheetah do that scouting role even better than the Raven?

[Adiuvo]

Yosharian, on 14 August 2015 - 08:31 AM, said:

Can't the Arctic Cheetah do that scouting role even better than the Raven?

No, Raven has better laser quirks that make it superior as a long range platform.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"The reason why a short range Raven is bad is precisely due to what you're complaining about."

No, its not. See how that works? Assertion is easy.

Try not to be so vague, make an actual argument, demonstrate that you have some idea what you are talking about.

Why would you bring 2ERLs when you routinely encounter 6-8 small pulse at short range?

[Yosharian]

Adiuvo, on 14 August 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

No, Raven has better laser quirks that make it superior as a long range platform.

Laser Duration -7.5%? Are you for real bro?

[Adiuvo]

Yosharian, on 14 August 2015 - 08:36 AM, said:

Laser Duration -7.5%? Are you for real bro?

Look at the 2X and 4X.