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[Sarlic]

This is why you don't let the Community decide. Full Disclosure is just bloody stupid.

If it's going on Full Disclosure i am insta quitting this game. Because obviously this game will turn in another game rank full e-peen matching contests.

Mature folks? I don't see any when voting that option.

Edited by Sarlic, 23 August 2015 - 03:42 AM.

[tokumboh]

PitchBlackYeti, on 23 August 2015 - 02:40 AM, said:

I vote for "hidden", I wan't to know if I'm good or bad for my own private information, not to wave my e-peen around if tier 1 (oh I'm sure I'm not) or to get griefed by elitists if tier 5. Threatening to treat anyone that doesn't want to display their tier as T5 (thus calling names, belittling and disregarding their opinion) is...immature at best, and here I thought that MWO community's average age is quite high.

TBH I am thick skin enough to enjoy the game as a game, I'd like to improve but actually, the only way I see that you can improve is by playing the game if you are a PUG and can't commit to a team. It's a bit like playing pick up basketball, but without ever playing it in high school. So part of me thinks they are coming at this in the wrong direction. My first view would be how do I make training better in game? what information would a noob need to work out what worked and what didn't
To me having played combat flight sims back in the day. There was extensive training,senarios and information including details such as per match statistics, and actually a last match replay facility are useful. It would uplift noobs from being poor to being at least effective.

I think the tier should be public since if match maker works then I'd not be play "sean lang" in PUG queues and if I am it is either there is not enough players or it is broken, both of which are bad by the way, the first being much worse than bad code.

As ever opinons are like arseholes, everyone's got one and everyone else's stinks more than yours......

;-)

[Ketzer08]

I didn't care about my ELO level. I don't care about my current PSR tier. And I am certainly not interested in other people stats.
What does matter is working of Match Maker. If devs have time, it will be better to polish Match Maker.

[Seelenlos]

Paul Inouye, on 19 August 2015 - 11:08 AM, said:

Hi Folks,

Now that Pilot Skill Rating (PSR) is in full swing and ranking on a personal level has begun, we would like to know what your thoughts are on publicly displaying your personal skill tier.

Please note:
- We will not be disclosing the match score > psr calculations.
- We will not be disclosing your actual PSR value.
- We will only be showing (depending on the result of this poll), the Tier (1-5) you reside in.

This poll will close in 2 weeks (Sept 2nd).

Sticky Pealse on the Mainpage
And the answer, when will it be implemented, after voting

[Revenge UK]

Personally I think the the system should be based on a You can see your Tier on your web profile, during Competitions on the leader board (mech based) it is shown and it is available to the officers in units (you choose to join a unit and opt into the comps) That way it can be a who is winning comps and you share tier with friends in your unit. as for listing the system in game during pug or standard drop group games I think is suicide, some players we play with, we know they are not good, some have issues with mouse control due to disability or other issues such as not being able to afford the best PC, but you bring them because they are friends and they can be very useful if they have an ECM mech or a Narc or tag mech which assists the team, I think posting the tier which they are in would put these casual players off the game, especially with the VOIP and text chat. When this game goes to steam the age and attitude of the community will change, and publicly listing tiers will only bring more trolling and arguments.

Rev

[Todo Sandybanks]

If you voted Opt-in you better keep your mouth shut about your tier unless you flaunt it openly.

[Durandal]

tokumboh, on 23 August 2015 - 03:43 AM, said:

My first view would be how do I make training better in game? what information would a noob need to work out what worked and what didn't
To me having played combat flight sims back in the day. There was extensive training,senarios and information including details such as per match statistics, and actually a last match replay facility are useful. It would uplift noobs from being poor to being at least effective.

I don't often post here, but this needed to be quoted. In fact, it should really be quoted over and over again in every post: MANY of us have been saying for well over a year that the new player experience is vastly subpar. We have a tutorial system that was out of date 2 years ago, and the best ways of learning the game are still to go outside of PGI's resources to the Reddits, forums, youtube videos, and Twitch streams dedicated to this game, where people can give up to date information to people. The learning curve...sorry, learning sheer cliff of this game is more important to fix right now than whether or not we can see what tier we're in.

[Skarlock]

bad arcade kitty, on 19 August 2015 - 09:54 PM, said:

i recently (pre-patch, solo queue conquest) was in a game where enemy had plenty of tags and we had very few, we had to calm down pugs who thought they already lost... disregard 2 pugs afked... we still almost won 10 vs 12, it was 1v1 at the end, their cored nova hid from our dire wolf till their cap reached 750 (with skirmish it would be tie or win)

now imagine how much people would afk seeing tier disadvantage when even useless tags on poor players scare pugs so much

You could show the tier rankings of the enemy players on the score screen then, and only the score screen. Just like how you can't tell what mech someone is driving before and during the match on the enemy team, you can't see what their rank is.

[RazerThrone07]

Full disclosure would make the game into a rank contest, targeting noobs for another notch on the leader board.

Edited by BlamedThrone707, 23 August 2015 - 08:34 AM.

[Dimento Graven]

BlamedThrone707, on 23 August 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

Full disclosure would make the game into a rank contest, targeting noobs for another notch on the leader board.

MM doesn't let the top tier fight the bottom tiers so, it won't be as bad as all that...

[Heavenward]

I have been playing this game along time now and this topic has finally made me post on the forums.

I personally think that everyone should have the choice to opt in and have the option to show their rating.

From the games I have been playing over the weekend I have seen a lot of vitriol from players using these 'tiers' as an excuse to antagonise and insult each other. I'm a grown up and can laugh it off but I personally think PGI shouldn't have mentioned the tiers at all and just said that the new system would more accurately match players of equal skill as to not create tier snobbery.

[Davers]

I would just like to mention that there is no need for 5 tiers if 4 of them can be in the same match.

[aryn walker]

why would it matter.I think you all are thinking it wrong because if you are t 1 or t2 .youll be playing against other t1 /t2 players anyways or this rating wouldn't be working.seeing it will fact that its working\

[corpse256]

Paul Inouye, on 19 August 2015 - 11:08 AM, said:

Hi Folks,

Now that Pilot Skill Rating (PSR) is in full swing and ranking on a personal level has begun, we would like to know what your thoughts are on publicly displaying your personal skill tier.

Please note:
- We will not be disclosing the match score > psr calculations.
- We will not be disclosing your actual PSR value.
- We will only be showing (depending on the result of this poll), the Tier (1-5) you reside in.

This poll will close in 2 weeks (Sept 2nd).

hey paul I like this, I voted option 2 because player choice to do it matters. Some people just want to have fun and would like to keep their tier rank private and some like the braging rights. I will be one of those people that will publicly show my tier. I hope I'm 3 or 2. Was a blast playing MWO with you paul hope we can play together sometime soon again. Maybe another dev kill event? I know you guys are busy so keep up the good work and keep the content coming. Super excited for your new training level and for the singleplayer or Player Vs Enviroment(PVE) (with co-op up to 4 lancemates, I hope). Game is still going in the right direction and can never thank you guys enough for bringing back a great classic game I played as a kid and still enjoy today. I will keep supporting you guys as long as you are around to make this game happen. Big thanks to the MWO team and NGNG you guys are awesome.

[turtleQld]

As a mature player, viewing other players Tier rankings in the pre match screen will allow me to see who i should listen to & who may need some guidence.
I would like to think any tier 1-2 player would be team supportive and not a "look at me you losser" type player.

In addition:
Is the Tier ranking "Weight Class" specific or General?
I play Mediums 70%, followed by Heavy. Assaults & lights are my least favourite play class, but i do play them, & am not very good.
If the Tier ranking is general, then whenever I play Assault & Light, my rank will be higher than it probably should be for those weights.
And my crappy assault/Light games will lower my score which will affect my matches when in Medium/Heavy classes.

Maybe a step for future updates?
Weight Class Tiers.

Possibly a combination, Overall/Weight selected.
So for my Light Mech games I could be an overall of 3, and for the selected Mech (Light) a 5.
3/5
Thoughts?

[Phoenix Gray]

Hmmmm... according to the preview, I'm not so much a tier as a foundation piling... *g*

[riverslq]

MovinTarget, on 19 August 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

Opt-in is fine. If someone talks big but refuses to voluntarily show his tier then he shows his real character...

which is the problem with even having the option of showing the tier
this is the internet, where everyone can be a ****, and every bit of information can be used to be said ****

Todo Ringman, on 23 August 2015 - 06:34 AM, said:

If you voted Opt-in you better keep your mouth shut about your tier unless you flaunt it openly.

again
the problem with that option
the trolling begins 2 weeks early apparently

[30ft SMURF]

I don't understand what the big deal is. I voted opt in. I think it very well could become a requirement to show your rank if you want to join unit A and it might not be for unit B. As for all the people worried that thier lack of skill in the game will make people treat them poorly on the forums... grow up. Idiots like me give people a hard time occasionally in game and its more directed toward the other decent players who screw our mech up and knock us out of the game. Complaints about strategy and tactics likely happen across all skill levels and probably won't change much based on the ranking system. As for idiots on forums... have you used forums before? There will be morons, but you moderate them... Anyone who argues that your opinion is less important because you're not good at the game is an illogical ******** who through disregarding others opinions proves their own should be disregarded... People who care about if you're good at the game will still care about it if they can't see your rank, but now those people can just not group with you or do so knowing there may be room for improvement. If your in the public que solo you'll apparently be with similarly skilled players and people will be able to ballpark your rank. I think it would be better to let the people who are in the try-hard category/rank know who is similarly skilled so they can play competative if they want and not play with scrubs if they don't want to. Call me crazy, but that sounds better for everybody... Don't think that will stop people from blaming their team or other people in the drop for losing matches though...

[Reptile Blackdeath]

Meh. I'm not convinced the whole tier thing is balanced in any case. If I'm out in a light, I may be spending a lot of my time spotting, EMC shielding/jamming.. capping.. distracting.. what ever.. and my score will be low because I didn't do as much damage in this roll. If the situation calls for it, for the good of the team, you should do it. If it calls for being aggressive, then I'll do that. From my understanding it's the damage and kills that get all the points. And hey.. I'll do that sometimes too.. If I feel like I want kills and credits, I'll grab a metamech and burn mechs away... but that's not fun all the time.. What ever the outcome, I'll pay some attention to the Tier thing.. but not that much. I'll watch as all the silly elitist clans make their tier requirements and hope not to drop against them, as sus gauss headshots from across the map are also not fun... lol but that's another topic.... I'll keep playing for the fun of it and running different build... but I do worry about the polarizing elite clumping effect showing tiers may have on the game.

Edited by Reptile Blackdeath, 23 August 2015 - 09:51 PM.

[IraqiWalker]

If people were civilized, I'd vote for full disclosure, but all this will do is make the e-peen contests worse, and people will start using it to shut down others.

I can already see it:

Player A has a good opinion/idea
Player B: My Tier is higher than you, you're clearly an idiot. If you weren't, you'd be in a better tier.

We already have a lot of that in the forums, and in game, already. At least it's vague, and looked on as childish right now, but if you make tiers public, can you imagine how much worse it will get. Sorry, until the human race decides to stop being @$$holes, I don't think any kind of ranking like that should be made public.


Hell, I don't even care about my ranking. PGI can publish mine in the news for all I care. I'll come out and say I probably shouldn't be anything higher than tier 3, even if some of my friends think I'm in the mid 2s. I also don't care what people think about me, but I can't say the same for MANY people on these very forums.

I want this place to be hospitable, and not as full of scrap as it was two years ago. So until people start being decent, we should not make tiers public.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 23 August 2015 - 09:52 PM.