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[InspectorG]

Jman5, on 20 August 2015 - 08:24 PM, said:

Oh I am certain there are people out there who want to throw games or pad stats to put them in different tiers. However, I think these people will ultimately fail at it in the long run. If you're a tier 1 player and you suicide for a week down to tier 5. You will have to continuously throw games to keep yourself at that level. The week you start playing for real you're just going to bounce right back to where you belong. Frankly it would require a hell of a lot of effort just so you can stomp noobs for a handful of matches.

That and they presumably will tire of friendly fire, people blocking where you need to move, camping, rabbit runs, /etc.

Its all gonna average out in the long term anyhow.

They could make an alt account for slumming in T5 i suppose.

[Mystere]

Viges, on 20 August 2015 - 05:24 AM, said:

I claim my tier 6

The correct title is "Level 6":

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

Mystere, on 20 August 2015 - 09:15 PM, said:

The correct title is "Level 6":

How is the guy being dragged even alive?

Could've sworn I saw a sword stuck in his back come out through the other side.

He's extremely durable it would seem.

[Mystere]

I Zeratul I, on 20 August 2015 - 09:24 PM, said:

How is the guy being dragged even alive?

Could've sworn I saw a sword stuck in his back come out through the other side.

He's extremely durable it would seem.

Khlyen intentionally missed the heart and spine.

[spectralthundr]

Jman5, on 20 August 2015 - 08:24 PM, said:

Oh I am certain there are people out there who want to throw games or pad stats to put them in different tiers. However, I think these people will ultimately fail at it in the long run. If you're a tier 1 player and you suicide for a week down to tier 5. You will have to continuously throw games to keep yourself at that level. The week you start playing for real you're just going to bounce right back to where you belong. Frankly it would require a hell of a lot of effort just so you can stomp noobs for a handful of matches.

That's exactly why I say there's no point to it, you're just going to tier yourself up again unless you make a habit of throwing games, and what fun is that? Doesn't seem worth it to me really.

[KharnZor]

spectralthundr, on 20 August 2015 - 09:46 PM, said:

That's exactly why I say there's no point to it, you're just going to tier yourself up again unless you make a habit of throwing games, and what fun is that? Doesn't seem worth it to me really.

You'd have to be a 'special' person
There are quite a few 'special' people around...

[spectralthundr]

KharnZor, on 20 August 2015 - 10:27 PM, said:

You'd have to be a 'special' person
There are quite a few 'special' people around...

Can't disagree with that.

[Joseph Mallan]

mogs01gt, on 19 August 2015 - 07:05 PM, said:

That has more to do with the inherent issues with arties.

So an inherent issue with arty is it does what it is supposed to?

You know cause pain!

[Lootee]

Hell this is a great idea. Are Urbie mechs available for CB yet?

I'd go full Tier 5 in a stock Urbie just to see whose names still pop up. Be more exciting and fun than playing this garbage normally. This would be great science.

Edited by Lootee, 21 August 2015 - 06:04 AM.

[Koniks]

Jman5, on 19 August 2015 - 07:05 PM, said:

In all fairness, just like a few good games doesn't mean you're a good player, a few bad games doesn't mean you're a bad player. Yesterday I had a game where someone landed a freak ac/20 round straight into my cockpit seconds before an airstrike rolled in and finished me off. I did a whopping 26 damage that game.

Tier 1 also probably has some really big differences in skill from the top to people who are closer to Tier 2. So players may have been big fish in the kiddie pool but are now swimming with the sharks.

ETA: the tiers probably have some people misaligned, too, since it's based on match score and W/L. The benefit of Elo was it weighted your W/L relative to the quality of your opponent and the predicted outcome. Unless they've applied a similar weighting, it's possible that some people put up really great stats against inferior competition without earning a high Elo rating so they get lumped in with really great players now and are going to get stomped for awhile.

And vice versa.

Edited by Mizeur, 21 August 2015 - 09:36 AM.

[mogs01gt]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 August 2015 - 04:14 AM, said:

So an inherent issue with arty is it does what it is supposed to?

Lack of proper warning
Ease of use
Come from above which hits mechs in the least armored spot
Some mechs cockpits are over sized making them more vulnerable
cockpit location
etc etc

[Mystere]

mogs01gt, on 21 August 2015 - 09:31 AM, said:

Lack of proper warning
Ease of use
Come from above which hits mechs in the least armored spot
Some mechs cockpits are over sized making them more vulnerable
cockpit location
etc etc

Sounds like how artillery should be to me.

[MerryIguana]

mogs01gt, on 21 August 2015 - 09:31 AM, said:

Lack of proper warning
Ease of use
Come from above which hits mechs in the least armored spot
Some mechs cockpits are over sized making them more vulnerable
cockpit location
etc etc

You forgot infinite range.

[Jman5]

Mizeur, on 21 August 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

Tier 1 also probably has some really big differences in skill from the top to people who are closer to Tier 2. So players may have been big fish in the kiddie pool but are now swimming with the sharks.

ETA: the tiers probably have some people misaligned, too, since it's based on match score and W/L. The benefit of Elo was it weighted your W/L relative to the quality of your opponent and the predicted outcome. Unless they've applied a similar weighting, it's possible that some people put up really great stats against inferior competition without earning a high Elo rating so they get lumped in with really great players now and are going to get stomped for awhile.

And vice versa.

I imagine these next two weeks will largely correct any weirdness in that regard. If people were getting just bad opponents consistently, they will now have to put up or shut up against other high performers.

I am curious how much shuffling is going on with the tiers now that games are being matched under these new rules.

Edited by Jman5, 21 August 2015 - 10:14 AM.

[Koniks]

I'd imagine quite a bit, especially for people who've played infrequently since January. Or whose performance has changed significantly between now and then, whether due to skill or leveling mechs. Or the fact that they've now lumped everyone's performance across all classes into one rating so matchmaker doesn't even account for what kind of mech you're in other than 4x3.

They probably should've found a way to either group the tiers around Elo as a starting point or weight the PSR tiers around Elo with declining influence over time.

[LordBraxton]

Mizeur, on 21 August 2015 - 10:24 AM, said:

. Or the fact that they've now lumped everyone's performance across all classes into one rating so matchmaker doesn't even account for what kind of mech you're in other than 4x3.
.

That sucks... didn't know that... I have a 2.0 kdr in assaults\heavies, but a 0.5kdr in lights. I never pilot them, but if I did, I imagine Id be way out of my depth. I often fight EMP\SJx\228 etc etc

[Uncl Munkeh]

mogs01gt, on 19 August 2015 - 06:50 PM, said:

who then get carried in the match!!! Who's with me!! LMAO @ these guys saying they are T1 and doing 200dmg, no kills and like a match score of 150...




Mogs

That's just plain funny.

Take it as them trying to escalate to a pitched battle or a brawl or whatever.

Still funny though.

[Lugh]

mogs01gt, on 21 August 2015 - 09:31 AM, said:

Lack of proper warning
Ease of use
Come from above which hits mechs in the least armored spot
Some mechs cockpits are over sized making them more vulnerable
cockpit location
etc etc

So the spotting smoke that hits the ground first isn't enough of a clue?

The interface can barely handle 6 weapons group and you want a complicated map based calling out grids by latitude and longitude system? are you HIGH?

Would you rather the artillery be in earth based borer missles that explode at your feet? (There is nothing like this in the LORE)

Ah so you are one of those min maxers that strips out a couple cockpit armor points and then gets all whiney when someone manages to hit you in the head?

LordBraxton, on 21 August 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:

That sucks... didn't know that... I have a 2.0 kdr in assaults\heavies, but a 0.5kdr in lights. I never pilot them, but if I did, I imagine Id be way out of my depth. I often fight EMP\SJx\228 etc etc

Which is why my ratio in lights is .8 ... but hey! I'm learnin' seeing what they do

[nehebkau]

Let me clarify the tiers for you:

Tier 1: I have the best computer, the best internet connection and have spent a lot of time and money on the game. I play it every day because I either have no life or I am married and would rather not spend time with my wife and kids. This game is my primary hobby and as with any hobby the more you play the better you get. In some cases my entire life-worth is hinged on my performance in this game and so I may do anything to stay at the top.

Tier 2: I have a decent computer and internet connection and I am either fairly good at video games and don't try to hard or I am dying to get to tier 1 and will do anything to get there even though I don't have the skills. I either have lots of things that I like to do besides video games and I don't spend as much time practicing as I should or I play a lot and just don't seem to improve. I do spend money on the game but not a whole lot in the great scheme of things.

Tier 3: I have an ok computer and internet connection but the game really can bog down. I love to play the game and I am ok at it but it's never been about the competition -- its always about the fun. I will drop in 6MG nova or 7 flamer firestarter if I want a laugh and can sometimes make them work. While I do want to win or at the very least have an awesome game I am not going to go on a rant fest if some lower tier is only using their LRMs below 180 M -- its just a game.

Tier 4: I really shouldn't play this game with my computer, or I just started and only have trial mechs to use. I am here to either have fun and to learn and I would appriciate some locks for my LRMs from time to time because its hard to aim direct fire weapons when your computer drops to 5 FPS. If I shoot you -- I am sorry but I will be to afraid to admit that it was me who shot you. With me you get out of me what you put in so either give me directions or dont cry when i walk right into the middle of the enemy and die.

Tier 5: Wow this game is super hard on my TRS-80 4-bit colour. I just can't seem to get my joystick to have the same performance of the other players' and I don't know how they expect me to pick out a cockpit on this 10 inch monitor. I have a hard enough time managing the force feed-back on my joystick to be able to actually hear you when you are giving me instructions. Also I can't really see the grid marks on my map so telling me to go to a gird is useless. Can I have a lock and can you hold it for a long time please?

[Jman5]

Mizeur, on 21 August 2015 - 10:24 AM, said:

I'd imagine quite a bit, especially for people who've played infrequently since January. Or whose performance has changed significantly between now and then, whether due to skill or leveling mechs. Or the fact that they've now lumped everyone's performance across all classes into one rating so matchmaker doesn't even account for what kind of mech you're in other than 4x3.

They probably should've found a way to either group the tiers around Elo as a starting point or weight the PSR tiers around Elo with declining influence over time.

For the most part, I've been pretty happy with the matchmaker since this change. But every once in a while it throws a curve ball and sets up really stupid teams that you can clearly see from the outset. I'm hoping these are just growing pains and in the coming weeks most people will re-shuffle into where they belong.