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[Agent 0 Fortune]

Lily from animove, on 21 August 2015 - 07:31 AM, said:

4 people and no one able to aim at the legs of a shutdown mech? what kind of people do you play with and versus? can I have some of them please?

Nightmare1, on 21 August 2015 - 07:31 AM, said:

Sweep the legs? That seems to be working pretty well for me.

Ok, lets carry this to its logical conclusion.

10 Demand: Fix Hankyu hit registration.
20 Response: shoot the legs
30 Query: why
40 Response: because hit registration is broken for this mech
50 Goto 10

Hopefully you can see why "shoot the legs" is not a solution to this issue.

[Catalinasgrace]

I have seen what he is talking about as well on both the ACH and Crow... Yesterday I blasted a shut down ACH with gauss to a cored CT and nothing. Another example I hit one with 8ML's running directly at me dead center torso and it didn't even flash yellow as if I missed completely. As far as the Crow's go I thought it might have been their ping or something along that line but over the past day or two I have noticed it more and more. I hit one with 2LPL and 4ML not even running full out and not a lick of damage was done in a few matches.

But, even with that said and having a ping of 40-60 every match it seems to be completely random when mechs take damage or not. And, yes I know how to aim and can hit what I'm aiming at thank you...

[Aresye]

Must be an underhive problem, because I can still leg ACH's with CERLL's, which are undoubtedly some of the worst weapons to engage fast lights with.

They are supremely tiny though. Hitting them in general is the hardest part.

[Mystere]

Monkey Lover, on 21 August 2015 - 08:58 AM, said:

Crow needs endo removed ...

Say wut?

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

It sounds to me like those who lack experience using laser vomit builds don't realize its difficult to focus fire light mechs when they're moving quickly. Its common to shoot a light mech with 6 medium lasers, two or three times, and not register anything more than minimal damage. Laser vomit isn't like the AC meta builds most are used to where they only need one solid shot to register pinpoint damage.

[Drasari]

I have no issues with them. I think you just need some practice.

[Monkey Lover]

Aresye Kerensky, on 21 August 2015 - 09:06 AM, said:

Must be an underhive problem, because I can still leg ACH's with CERLL's, which are undoubtedly some of the worst weapons to engage fast lights with.

They are supremely tiny though. Hitting them in general is the hardest part.

When they're red or something? FLippen legs have more armor than the ct. It would take 3 erlaser on 1 leg to take them out....

Edited by Monkey Lover, 21 August 2015 - 09:26 AM.

[Mcgral18]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 21 August 2015 - 08:58 AM, said:

Ok, lets carry this to its logical conclusion.

10 Demand: Fix Hankyu hit registration.
20 Response: shoot the legs
30 Query: why
40 Response: because hit registration is broken for this mech
50 Goto 10

Hopefully you can see why "shoot the legs" is not a solution to this issue.

Broken? No, working as intended.


You realize when you hit a broken component, damage is more than halved (40% damage, 60% reduction). So, when you shoot that CT, spread damage across 5 components, eventually taking out a ST, you now deal less damage.


That's as opposed to straight up killing the legs (and avoid shooting the same one for 40% ST damage).



Game Mechanics explained for you, I hope it helps.

[FupDup]

Monkey Lover, on 21 August 2015 - 09:25 AM, said:

When they're red or something? FLippen legs have more armor than the ct. It would take 3 erlaser on 1 leg to take them out....

The legs are an easier target because they are exposed out in the open. The CT, meanwhile, can be shielded by the side torsos and arms by using the magical powers of torso twisting.

Legs can't be protected in that way, which is why all mechs in the game die faster to double-legging than trying to core them (but the effect is especially pronounced on lights).

Edited by FupDup, 21 August 2015 - 09:28 AM.

[GonaDie]

BigBenn, on 21 August 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

Sounds like a job for.... LBX MAN!

LBX man doesn't have a job.He's a homeless hobo, who works for food.Sad story.

[Catra Lanis]

The legs turn yellow, I shoot and shoot and the legs are still yellow. Yes I know how to aim decently, it works somewhat on other lights.

What the defenders of the Cheeter forget is that this means that the guy in the other mech has to be a far far better shot than the Cheeter pilot in order to land the same amount of damage in the same amount of time, which is crucial if you are in another light.

Tell me that it is not an advantage.

[Nightmare1]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 21 August 2015 - 08:58 AM, said:

Ok, lets carry this to its logical conclusion.

10 Demand: Fix Hankyu hit registration.
20 Response: shoot the legs
30 Query: why
40 Response: because hit registration is broken for this mech
50 Goto 10

Hopefully you can see why "shoot the legs" is not a solution to this issue.

"Sweep the legs" wasn't meant to be a solution, merely a means of coping until hit reg is fixed.

Seriously, if you're too stupid to adapt, then you deserve to have your hide nailed to the wall by this Mech.

[Mystere]

Catra Lanis, on 21 August 2015 - 09:30 AM, said:

The legs turn yellow, I shoot and shoot and the legs are still yellow. Yes I know how to aim decently, it works somewhat on other lights.

This is what makes me doubt what you claim you are able to do decently.

[Monkey Lover]

FupDup, on 21 August 2015 - 09:28 AM, said:

The legs are an easier target because they are exposed out in the open. The CT, meanwhile, can be shielded by the side torsos and arms by using the magical powers of torso twisting.

Legs can't be protected in that way, which is why all mechs in the game die faster to double-legging than trying to core them (but the effect is especially pronounced on lights).

I own mastered arctic cheeters i have never once been legged by er lasers
I have only been legged by mechs with tons of med pulse lasers after a few alphas.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 21 August 2015 - 09:34 AM.

[Catra Lanis]

Mystere, on 21 August 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

This is what makes me doubt what you claim you are able to do decently.

What do you mean? I leg other mechs but hitreg does not always work. The problems are far worse regarding the Cheeter than even the FS.

[Lightfoot]

Just shoot the ACH's legs. It's no different than the Spider. Low weight Lights have small CTs, you are just missing.

I assume you know you have to reverse and turn with them when fighting a fast mech?

[Monkey Lover]

Lightfoot, on 21 August 2015 - 09:42 AM, said:

Just shoot the ACH's legs. It's no different than the Spider. Low weight Lights have small CTs, you are just missing.

I assume you know you have to reverse and turn with them when fighting a fast mech?

Cheeter now reminds me a lot of the spider before the hitbox fixes and before they increase the hitboxes outside the model.

I die about 50% faster in a spider now compare to the cheeter. Maybe it has more to due with people shooting at my ct but i can tell you i am almost always one of the last alive. With having close to the top score.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 21 August 2015 - 10:01 AM.

[Dino Might]

I Zeratul I, on 21 August 2015 - 07:00 AM, said:

Its baffling the hate people have towards ACH.

If people on the forums weren't claiming it was an unstoppable, unkillable, monster I would never have thought it was any different from any other light mech.

Sometimes, I come across a fresh ACH in game. 20-30 seconds later its dead and it'll only have done minimal damage to me. There have been a few times they overheated near me and I blew off both their legs in 10-15 seconds.

Most of them use mass SPL builds which means if you stand somewhere on the map they can't use cover to get within 200-300 m of you, you can pick them apart at long range without them doing anything. Their range is so short that if they don't have cover to get close they're ineffective.

Arctic cheetahs are easy to deal with from my perspective. Whenever I see people complain about ACH I feel like I'm witnessing someone who "locked themselves inside their car" dialing 911 to ask for assistance freeing themselves. It just makes zero sense to me.

It's not baffling. The mech is too good compared to the other lights. Let's you and me play - ACH vs whatever you want. See what happens. You are probably a much better pilot than me anyways, and ACHs are no problem, so you should wipe the floor with me consistently.

The only way I'll win is if the ACH is just flat out too good, right?

[DivineTomatoes]

Yagarcanda, on 21 August 2015 - 06:44 AM, said:

Its just not fair pgi, and its almost impossible to fight against an artic with any light, med, heavys, and assaults too!!!! they just dont die!!! hit reg sucks, crows are a little better.. but still broken ct. crows.. we can take it... we can kill them after a while, but artics.. have u been seeing highlander movies when u build that mech??? come on, didnt u learn nothing when u fix the spiders???? PLEASE FIX ARTICS NOW!!!! dont u have dignity????

Life isn't fair, better just get used to it like the rest of us.

[Lily from animove]

Yagarcanda, on 21 August 2015 - 08:14 AM, said:

then all mechs should be made as the arctic.

but thats not possible because a commando looks like a commando, nd a spider like a spider and a raven like a raven and a locust like a ****.

Agent 0 Fortune, on 21 August 2015 - 08:58 AM, said:

Ok, lets carry this to its logical conclusion.

10 Demand: Fix Hankyu hit registration.
20 Response: shoot the legs
30 Query: why
40 Response: because hit registration is broken for this mech
50 Goto 10

Hopefully you can see why "shoot the legs" is not a solution to this issue.

hitreg is not broken it is the shape of the mech tha makes it look like that but in fact stuff works normal for how te mech is shaped. The earlier people udnertsand that the earlier they stop their nonsense claims.

people want a fix for something not broken because they can't get rid of their bad habit shooting at CT's of lights. Which btw is not even a new thing to do.

its more like:

10: demand: fix
20: get told nothing is broken
30: ignore 20 Goto 10

Edited by Lily from animove, 21 August 2015 - 11:00 AM.