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[Bishop Steiner]

FlipOver, on 27 August 2015 - 07:21 AM, said:

This was my very fist rant, and to be honest, I could just have prevented it.

Thank you for making me understand the difference, too often I've thought about this in the past and somehow I found that what's on Tweeter should also be on this forum, but then again, some things are just decoys and some aren't.

Move along people, nothing to see here anymore

Eh, we all have rants....and all of us have been offbase, by some degree (sometimes greatly, I've been the gamut from spot on to spot-wrong myself). As rants go, this was hardly a big deal, but a matter of perspective. And as such, worth bringing up. The only time it's an issue when you have someone post something, and then even when other stuff is pointed out, just continue to rant, etc.

[Dino Might]

cdlord, on 27 August 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

Well, it's on the same level as I hate facebook. It's good for finding old friends, but for the LOVE of GOD I do not care what you had for breakfast and NO I do not want to play candycrush....

My wife had me sign up on that so she could get more lives for that stupid game. Now I am getting requests from people on a regular basis. It's almost as bad as the Farmville invites. No I do not want to play stupid point and click adventures. There was and probably only ever will be one farming game that is good - it's called Harvest Moon. Take your tablet tapper games and get away from me!

[Bishop Steiner]

Monkey Lover, on 27 August 2015 - 07:25 AM, said:

I don't think they do. Every post I seen from Russ was because someone went to tweeter and asked him to comment. Last one I say Russ post he said something along the lines of " this is why I don't post here" because some guy was negative.

Well, you'd be wrong, since he has PM'd to rip me a new one on some of my critical forum posts, over stuff that no one twittered.

[Monkey Lover]

TexAce, on 27 August 2015 - 07:22 AM, said:

This. This Forum is just full of stupid people who only rant before thinking for a split second and have no clue how games are being made, but think othrewise.

Pgi has had a bad record of saying something and not doing it. It's only been in the past year they been turning things around in my view. A lot of poeple here understand how games are made and how to program. So when they see a gui come out loaded with simple bugs they do freak out.

[TexAce]

Monkey Lover, on 27 August 2015 - 07:28 AM, said:

Pgi has had a bad record of saying something and not doing it. It's only been in the past year they been turning things around in my view. A lot of poeple here understand how games are made and how to program. So when they see a gui come out loaded with simple bugs they do freak out.

You can freak out as much as you want. As a developer, I would listen to those that dont freak out, but can talk calmly and with arguments and not throw eggs at me at first sight. Because thats what is happening here in this forum and is not happening on Twitter. The people Russ tweets with are all talking like human beings, not like some chimps on caffeine.

I wouldn't like to have a conversation with someone who is constantly just screaming at me while I try to talk like a normal human being.

Edited by TexAce, 27 August 2015 - 07:32 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Monkey Lover, on 27 August 2015 - 07:28 AM, said:

Pgi has had a bad record of saying something and not doing it. It's only been in the past year they been turning things around in my view. A lot of poeple here understand how games are made and how to program. So when they see a gui come out loaded with simple bugs they do freak out.

you mean the post IGP era....which is what we need to focus on judging them by...... Sins of the Father and all that......

[Monkey Lover]

TexAce, on 27 August 2015 - 07:31 AM, said:

You can freak out as much as you want. As a developer, I would listen to those that dont freak out, but can talk calmly and with arguments and not throw eggs at me at first sight. Because thats what is happening here in this forum and is not happening on Twitter. The people Russ tweets with are all talking like human beings, not like some chimps on caffeine.

I wouldn't like to have a conversation with someone who is constantly just screaming at me while I try to talk like a normal human being.

Lol do you think read the tweet reply from Russ?;not the ones he retweets? This is still the internet they're not pulling punches.

After seeing the last few tests and releases I can say the developer don't really care about feedback nice or not.

[Monkey Lover]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 August 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

you mean the post IGP era....which is what we need to focus on judging them by...... Sins of the Father and all that......

Yes but still in a lot of peoples minds.

I'm on my phone so its hard to quotes but your commentn about Russ pming you I would guess was due to others telling him about the posts. He has said recently he didn't like coming here because of what people say.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 27 August 2015 - 07:41 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Monkey Lover, on 27 August 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

Yes but still in a lot of peoples minds.

I'm on my phone so its hard to quotes but your commentn about Russ pming you I would guess was due to others telling him about the posts. He has said recently he didn't like coming here because of what people say.

and that's what happens when we paraphrase...... we put our own spin too it. (Much as the forum anarchists STILL twist the Open Beta comment from Russ about not really listening to what the serial haters say to mean that he doesn't listen to anyone.... despite the fact that most of the changes made have been taken from Forum Ideas..... just some people get pissed it wasn't their forum post they followed) My recollections are that he said he finds the forums unpleasant at times due to the rabidly negative types. Not that he didn't read it. And as Paul recently stated, he often doesn't post, because no matter how innocuous, one of those Trolls will jump on it, and it goes form being a simple post, to having a running debate, when he should be using his time actually on the game.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"The problem is that there's a sizable population who still harbor asinine amounts of animosity over what happened 2-3 years ago and make a point of undermining PGI any time they attempt to do anything."

Yes, but to be fair that works in both directions. I have seen PGI dismiss legitimate criticism as just more hatred from the reddit trolls.

[Bishop Steiner]

Grisbane, on 27 August 2015 - 08:06 AM, said:

why is not liking social canc... er.... media silly again. the pro's of it being a tool don't outweigh the cons of the idiots that populate it. i find the majority of social media hounds are either the intellectual under-hive formally known by the mobile housing they were commonly found in, or the people advertising to them. i can feel my IQ drop every time i browse one of those sites.

since you only have to hear those idiots if YOU choose to subscribe to them? Should be self explanatory. Kind of like condemning guns because there are idiots how misuse them.

[CDLord HHGD]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 August 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

you mean the post IGP era....which is what we need to focus on judging them by...... Sins of the Father and all that......

I've been a White Knight for PGI from the beginning and still defend them regularly. Seeing Russ post in the forums was a validation beyond my expectations. To watch that dry up and go to third party outlets is disappointing. Be nice to see some interaction still. For every ten oddball threads, there is still one good one that deserves some attention.

[Drasari]

I feel you OP, but twitter is no better. If you ask a hard question you get blocked or ignored. If you shove sun shine up his ass you get talked to. I do not even mean the questions are rude or anything, just pertinent.

Edited by Drasari, 27 August 2015 - 08:33 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Drasari, on 27 August 2015 - 08:31 AM, said:

I feel you OP, but twitter is no better. If you ask a hard question you get blocked or ignored. If you shove sun shine up his ass you get talked to. I do not even mean the questions are rude or anything, just pertinent.

I've found HOW one asks tends to have a lot more to do with that than anything. But it's true not every tweet is replied to

[Bishop Steiner]

Grisbane, on 27 August 2015 - 08:43 AM, said:

just easier to ignore social media altogether. (also, you can't unsubscribe to the ads) unlike most of the newer generation, i remember what a telephone was designed for and i still use it. no need for public broadcasting of my life. face to face social skills seeming to become a lost art as well. anymore i keep finding teens who think they can talk to me like they talk to some kid on the internet.

also, it isn't not the same as the gun issue. there are many other routes to go on that topic. i honestly think anyone buying a gun should have to pass an aptitude test before the purchase (which basically gives them no excuse). there are also other security measures (fingerprint firing safety to name one) that could be done to prevent illegal use but there are too many cheapskates for them to come to fruition.

that being said.. social media isn't worth the time or frustration. everyone has their own view on it. choosing to avoid it is far from silly.. .

choosing to rail against it, like it's a massive social issue, in and of itself, pretty much is, though.

If it is indeed the meaningless fluff you posit it to be, then the less silly approach would be to treat it as such, instead of the becoming the angry "get off my lawn" guy about it.

As would being able to acknowledge that just because you don't see the value in it, doesn't mean others can't view it differently.

Also, just FYI,. I remember the world before cellphones, too, (as I am sure Russ and Paul do) and I remember the curmudgeons of the day railing against them as useless distractions too.....

[Bishop Steiner]

Grisbane, on 27 August 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

how is anything i said the angry "get off my lawn"? i treat is just as you say.. meaningless fluff that's not worth my time or attention.. that's the point i was trying to push in the 1st place. there isn't anything wrong with wanting nothing to do with it.

so why make a point of calling it a cancer?

[ApolloKaras]

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Another cool sentence I saw, related to why it's on Tweeter and not the Forums was: "If players on the forum were more Positive we may get better responses

It's easier to block on twitter.

If there were something to be positive about. This PSR is something else, CW is still dead in the water, we're still asking for a game mode outside of Conquest/Assault/Skirmish. Hell we've even asked for the rewards to be increased on the objective game modes so you know... you get money? Its still Pokemech, mech packs being crammed down your throat... Its like CS with mechs.... and I stopped playing CS a long time ago because there are other deeper games out there.

[TWIAFU]

Charronn, on 27 August 2015 - 06:57 AM, said:

Any mmo game I have played the devs rarely ever post on the official forums.SWG,SWTOR,WOT to name but a few.
Star Wars Galaxies was the worst tho.Anybody who played it will know what I'm talking about "cough,cough NGE" anyone.

Been there, lived through that.

DEVs job is to make the game not posting on the forums. Out of any of the MMO's you have played, you have seen it happen; DEV posts, it is taken as gospel or worse, out of context and used, often, to fuel the angry mob - even taken as a "promise" to do XYZ.

I came from a game where we had a private DEV server. Dedicated players were asked to come and play, test, and give feedback. One on one DEV interaction in-game on this server was the norm and it was good. I spent 10 years of my free time 'working' with these DEVs to help create a wonderful game. One thing I learned was it is easier for DEVs to interact with the population on a smaller scale, forums are crap for meaningful feedback. Look at ours, there is 'proof'.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE DEV talk. Enjoy reading what they are working on, how they fix problems, love details. But the environment we have here is not open to that.

I know exactly what Russ meant with his statement about negativity here, we do it to each other and do it to PGI. We are our own worse enemy in that respect.

[ApolloKaras]

TWIAFU, on 27 August 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

Been there, lived through that.

DEVs job is to make the game not posting on the forums. Out of any of the MMO's you have played, you have seen it happen; DEV posts, it is taken as gospel or worse, out of context and used, often, to fuel the angry mob - even taken as a "promise" to do XYZ.

I came from a game where we had a private DEV server. Dedicated players were asked to come and play, test, and give feedback. One on one DEV interaction in-game on this server was the norm and it was good. I spent 10 years of my free time 'working' with these DEVs to help create a wonderful game. One thing I learned was it is easier for DEVs to interact with the population on a smaller scale, forums are crap for meaningful feedback. Look at ours, there is 'proof'.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE DEV talk. Enjoy reading what they are working on, how they fix problems, love details. But the environment we have here is not open to that.

I know exactly what Russ meant with his statement about negativity here, we do it to each other and do it to PGI. We are our own worse enemy in that respect.

Im not sure about all of that, You'll see Blizzard in their forums frequently.

The thing here is not as much as conversing, but choosing how you want to release information to the player base. Right now I have to go to Twitter and Reddit lol.

Edited by Saxie, 27 August 2015 - 09:14 AM.

[Almond Brown]

FlipOver, on 27 August 2015 - 06:44 AM, said:

I understand that, but that's no reason to chose another information channel. Just handle all the feedback from the community and use the feedback to their advantage (improvement, more tests / analysis, etc.).
Heck, double check it with some key players, but keep the information in one place!

And what about those who play MWO and prefer Twitter over the Forum to get their game info? They don't count or you just don't give a **** about anyone but yourself and how you want it to be?

cdlord, on 27 August 2015 - 07:11 AM, said:

I hate twitter.....

And some might say Twitter is all the better for it. j/k

Edited by Almond Brown, 27 August 2015 - 09:22 AM.