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#241 Jack Gallows

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 01:43 PM

View PostAlan Davion, on 11 September 2015 - 01:26 PM, said:


If HG were to be wiped from the face of the earth, it would allow PGI/CGL/M$ to renegotiate the right for those Macross mecha, and possibly more from those anime.

That could only be a good thing. But, as we all know, HG is not likely going away any time soon. So we have to make due with what we have now.


I'd argue that they'd not give the rights to the images especially since they'd probably be hot to find another company that has a better reputation to bring Macross (and all of it's sequels,) to the US. They had their own lawsuits around 2005 to see which of the 3 big companies owned what and I'm fairly certain they're not going to give Topps/Catalyst any sort of licenses or any company which holds the rights to publish Macross in the US for them isn't either (since they technically can't.)

It's pretty silly to think they'd play ball with a game that didn't even ask to use it's images in the first place.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 11 September 2015 - 01:52 PM.


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Posted 11 September 2015 - 01:58 PM

View Post0bsidion, on 11 September 2015 - 01:10 PM, said:

I might change my mind when I see it in game, but I'm not holding my breath. Every reseen version I've seen just looks weird to me. I accepted some time ago we weren't getting the Marauder as I know it, though. That doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.

I was never very attached to the original Marauder, but while I had MW2 back when MS DOS was a thing I did not get into BT proper until the late '90's and by then the Marauder looked very out of pace stylistically. The look never inspired the fear its description in the books did. Underwhelming to say the least. The newer ones, even the reseen, are at least 'Mechs I can fear by appearance and not just loadout rather than laugh at how absurd the proportions are.
The following are not things to be feared, they are things to be mocked.

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Those arms are not going to take an AC/20 or PPC without snapping like rotten twigs (a feature that actually bugged me in the art for certain very popular Clan heavies as well). Where to even begin on how messed up the waist and hips are? The turret mechanism is too small to pass the ammo through, is the ammo stored with the weapon up there? Does to pilot lay down to look through the viewport or do they actually have to sit so far back in the 'Mech as to make it superfluous? What possible purpose do those ground facing tubes serve? It's a 'Mech not a catfish! Is that a weapon barrel or a sensor boom below the viewport and why is it consuming space the pilot could be sitting in? The truncated cone on the bottom, what purpose does it serve if it is not a jump jet and if it is why mount it there? Was this thing designed in an asylum for insane Battlemech engineers?

I know there is a lot of nostalgia for both BT and Macross tied up in those looks, but those looks only really fit in the latter not the former. The old Marauder just frustrates the hell out of me.

Edited by Nathan Foxbane, 11 September 2015 - 01:58 PM.


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Posted 11 September 2015 - 02:21 PM

View PostMechwarrior Buddah, on 10 September 2015 - 07:45 PM, said:

so they splitting the money with Harmony Gold then?

Cause the last time I asked one of them on Twitter they said they couldnt make these mechs because "Harmony Gold always votes no"



Ok guys, fill me in...who the hell is "Harmony Gold"?

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 02:28 PM

View PostSolarCleric, on 11 September 2015 - 02:21 PM, said:



Ok guys, fill me in...who the hell is "Harmony Gold"?


Doesnt matter as Sony bought the rights

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 02:35 PM

Harmony Gold is a lawsuit-chucking pack of grief monkeys who owned the rights to Macross in the US, the anime series they chopped up into Robotech and the same series FASA (Battletech) licensed artwork from.

Unfortunately, they licensed it from the Japanese and not HG. Cue the lawsuits once Battletech got popular enough to possibly be competition.

#246 Nathan Foxbane

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 02:36 PM

View PostMechwarrior Buddah, on 11 September 2015 - 02:28 PM, said:


Doesnt matter as Sony bought the rights

No, Sony only got the movie license, HG still has "creative" input and if you have ever seen any movie HG has ever made you know that is a bad thing.

Edited by Nathan Foxbane, 11 September 2015 - 02:43 PM.


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Posted 11 September 2015 - 02:44 PM

Now add in this beauty and my life will be complete (Russ did mention the rifleman along with the marauder and warhammer).


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However I will be buying the marauder to support the returns of unseens, and if HG tries to stir up anything again (I don't think they will since the company is almost in shambles now). I support a Dev that has a backbone that WILL stand by his product ultimately. Buy the marauder people if you want to see our beloved Warhammer and Rifleman make a modern appearance!

#248 Jack Gallows

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 02:45 PM

View PostMechwarrior Buddah, on 11 September 2015 - 02:28 PM, said:


Doesn't matter as Sony bought the rights


Which HG technically doesn't have the right to sell, would be interesting if Studio Nue, Big West, and Tatsunoko got involved and things finally were settled. (Hopefully not in Harmony Gold's favor.)


View Postwanderer, on 11 September 2015 - 02:35 PM, said:

Harmony Gold is a lawsuit-chucking pack of grief monkeys who owned the rights to Macross in the US, the anime series they chopped up into Robotech and the same series FASA (Battletech) licensed artwork from.

Unfortunately, they licensed it from the Japanese and not HG. Cue the lawsuits once Battletech got popular enough to possibly be competition.


So far all the news I've seen is that they've been licensed from HG and they'll help act as executive producer on the project.

View PostSolarCleric, on 11 September 2015 - 02:21 PM, said:



Ok guys, fill me in...who the hell is "Harmony Gold"?



Harmony Gold USA is the company that produces Robotech, the American version of Macross. They are VERY different as Harmony Gold made Robotech by changing up things from Macross and then tacking two other animes on the end of it and calling it a series where the Macross universe diverged significantly after the original show (which was heavily edited to make Robotech.) They claim they have the rights to everything related to Robotech and Macross in the US (which they do not, only distribution rights and merchandise rights outside of Japan,) which they received from Tatsunoko Productions who did the animation work for Macross and only had the rights to the physical animation but nothing else (no characters, story, designs, etc.) Studio Nue owns the rights to the characters, story, art/etc and Big West was the financial partner that helped make it happen.

Harmony Gold goes on a rampage anytime anyone even remotely uses anything from Robotech/Macross throwing out cease and desist orders when it's original licenses only cover the very basic items and that from a company that could only give those very basic licenses. Until the Japanese companies decide to get involved and lay down their authority it's just going to stay that way because it makes HG the defacto owner since no one challenges it legally. Harmony Gold then trademarked the name Macross everywhere pretty much except Japan and the Japanese companies haven't challenged it so if anyone even tries to use the name they'll be inviting a lawsuit from HG....which is seemingly all they are good for.

They killed FASA when they sued them over the Unseen (designs from Macross, though two other animes were involved but those designs were eventually worked out and allowed,) and Battletech lost the images of the Macross Mecha like the Marauder.

It's a constant sore point and one people wish someone would actually do something about but as it involves legal disputes that cost money most people aren't really willing to step into the madness.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 11 September 2015 - 02:51 PM.


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Posted 11 September 2015 - 03:36 PM

View PostArnold The Governator, on 11 September 2015 - 02:44 PM, said:

Now add in this beauty and my life will be complete (Russ did mention the rifleman along with the marauder and warhammer).


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However I will be buying the marauder to support the returns of unseens, and if HG tries to stir up anything again (I don't think they will since the company is almost in shambles now). I support a Dev that has a backbone that WILL stand by his product ultimately. Buy the marauder people if you want to see our beloved Warhammer and Rifleman make a modern appearance!


That's not the Rifleman.

That's the Glass Spider, called the Galahad by the Inner Sphere, a Clan Garrison/Second Line mech weighing only 60 tons, not the 65 of the Rifleman, mounting only 2 Gauss Rifles instead of the Rifleman's 2 AC/5s, 2 Large Lasers and 2 Medium Lasers.

It may be possible that we'll get that with the fact that the IIC mechs are coming, but I wouldn't count on it.

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 03:39 PM

The Rifleman is 60 tons. The Jagermech is 65 tons.

Also, the original Galahad was a 60-ton Star League-era design. The Glass Spider is the Clan upgrade to that chassis.

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 03:54 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 11 September 2015 - 12:30 PM, said:

nothing is more necessary than Warhammers......

Wait...nothing is more necessary than ME getting a Warhammer. Everyone else can have Phoenix Hawks.


Let me have a LAM Phoenix Hawk, and then you've got a deal.

#252 Jack Gallows

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 04:05 PM

View PostMetus regem, on 11 September 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

Let me have a LAM Phoenix Hawk, and then you've got a deal.


I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 06:53 PM

Thie is obviously a feeler of what is to come. The rest of bringing in the rest of the Unseen will depend on this pivotal moment. So let's make this a success, to pave the way for others.

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 07:52 PM

As of yesterday I am unemployed, so I would love to get any clarification on this. This pack being like the urbie means there will not be a free version for about a decade? Does anyone has extra info on this? I really want one but I cannot afford it.

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 08:09 PM

TAKE MY MONEY!

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 10:50 PM

View PostMarack Drock, on 11 September 2015 - 05:54 PM, said:

you do know what in real life any barrage of missiles (even SRM sixes) would render a mech destroyed in real life. Seriously. No way any mech in the world would survive an LRM 20. If we are going to talk realistic physics or anything with this series, lets start with how 80% of the weapons used would instantly do way more damage than they have ever done. Know in the BattleTech animated series when like 2 missiles can knock a mech over. That is what it would be like in real life.


You are over-complicating it. It has nothing to do with physics and everything to do with just simply feeling out of place. Have big gun on tiny arm? Jarring and stupid. It defies common sense and expectations, which are not always in sync with physics.

Have 'Mech so stylistically out of sync with its stablemates? Also jarring and thematically weak. Do not want.

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Posted 11 September 2015 - 10:56 PM

Horsehocky! Can you imagine what the Periodic table of elements would look like in 3050, I am sure some of those Close molecular bonds , of new elements, gasses, all researched and collected from over 10,000 different stars, Gas Giants, Cosmic Soups could be enough data to muster up lightweight armors and metals that do not Scratch easy.

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Posted 12 September 2015 - 01:02 AM

View PostJack Gallows, on 11 September 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:


Which HG technically doesn't have the right to sell, would be interesting if Studio Nue, Big West, and Tatsunoko got involved and things finally were settled. (Hopefully not in Harmony Gold's favor.)




So far all the news I've seen is that they've been licensed from HG and they'll help act as executive producer on the project.




Harmony Gold USA is the company that produces Robotech, the American version of Macross. They are VERY different as Harmony Gold made Robotech by changing up things from Macross and then tacking two other animes on the end of it and calling it a series where the Macross universe diverged significantly after the original show (which was heavily edited to make Robotech.) They claim they have the rights to everything related to Robotech and Macross in the US (which they do not, only distribution rights and merchandise rights outside of Japan,) which they received from Tatsunoko Productions who did the animation work for Macross and only had the rights to the physical animation but nothing else (no characters, story, designs, etc.) Studio Nue owns the rights to the characters, story, art/etc and Big West was the financial partner that helped make it happen.

Harmony Gold goes on a rampage anytime anyone even remotely uses anything from Robotech/Macross throwing out cease and desist orders when it's original licenses only cover the very basic items and that from a company that could only give those very basic licenses. Until the Japanese companies decide to get involved and lay down their authority it's just going to stay that way because it makes HG the defacto owner since no one challenges it legally. Harmony Gold then trademarked the name Macross everywhere pretty much except Japan and the Japanese companies haven't challenged it so if anyone even tries to use the name they'll be inviting a lawsuit from HG....which is seemingly all they are good for.

They killed FASA when they sued them over the Unseen (designs from Macross, though two other animes were involved but those designs were eventually worked out and allowed,) and Battletech lost the images of the Macross Mecha like the Marauder.

It's a constant sore point and one people wish someone would actually do something about but as it involves legal disputes that cost money most people aren't really willing to step into the madness.


There's a lot of good information here. After the lawsuits, FASA realized that their other licensed mecha designs were a liability, and stopped using all licensed designs or art. Including those from Crusher Joe (Locust, Galleon Light Tank), Dougram (Wolverine, Shadowhawk, Griffin, Thunderbolt, Battlemaster), and Victor Musical (art for the Inner Sphere medium mechs and IIC mechs in the original printing of TRO3055).

But, yes, HG has a history of being very lawyer happy. Also keep in mind that although HG tries to keep a handle on the Macross/Robotech enterprise, they are primarily a real estate company specializing in one of the most expensive markets in the US. However, it's my understanding that the originally owner is deceased, and the current ownership has cut a deal with Sony for a live action Robotech movie. Furthermore, even the old ownership did nothing over Technical Readout Project Phoenix (which contained reworks of Macross designs).

My opinion is that we should take a step back and give HG a chance to prove they have finally learned that their old attitude was doing no favors for Battletech/Mechwarrior, Robotech, Macross, or themselves. If they decide to get nasty? Well, that's when they're fair game for vindictive rhetoric again.

View PostLordBraxton, on 11 September 2015 - 04:35 AM, said:

Excited by marauder. Not excited by price creep. Urbanmech was a community voted exclusive, this is just another heavy mech, IDC how iconic.


I don't see how this is "price creep", the announced price is the EXACT same price as the Urbie packs. For a mech that is more than twice its mass, in the most popular weight class of the game, AND something that more fans want.

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Posted 12 September 2015 - 01:11 AM

This is to Tina and PGI at large,

If you can do anything like B or C, please do. B has such small useful changes, hitbox included. C might be going a little too far but I hope you would at least consider it.

A: No changes at all
B: Changed shoulder and gun arms (Tennex) and reduced side torso (me)
C: The above changes with a more concealed cockpit (this really makes it look like a Marauder and yet it still has plenty of differences from the original Glaug artwork)

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PGI hear us!! let us know if these are even possible!

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Posted 12 September 2015 - 01:19 AM

View PostFireBlood, on 12 September 2015 - 01:11 AM, said:

This is to Tina and PGI at large,

If you can do anything like B or C, please do. B has such small useful changes, hitbox included. C might be going a little too far but I hope you would at least consider it.

A: No changes at all
B: Changed shoulder and gun arms (Tennex) and reduced side torso (me)
C: The above changes with a more concealed cockpit (this really makes it look like a Marauder and yet it still has plenty of differences from the original Glaug artwork)

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PGI hear us!! let us know if these are even possible!



Use A, just put the gun on the top, make the feet big paddle feet like they are supposed to be..

TObad it cant be beefy like
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Edited by LordKnightFandragon, 12 September 2015 - 01:21 AM.






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