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[Weaselball]

Just wanted to hop in and vent my frustrations with the new PSR system... because I know the forums care about my feelings, and I'm sure you guys will be very supportive and offer me some comforting advice without any flaming at all.

I'm by no means an amazing pilot. I wouldn't even say I'm a good pilot. But prior to the PSR system I was having matches with a regular 1.5+ KDR in my most played Mechs, the Zeus. Sure I'd have a game or two where I'd die with less than 200 damage and no kills, but they'd usually be offset by games with 700+ damage, 3+ kills, etc. Again, I'm not here to toot my own horn, I don't consider myself an ace pilot, but back with the old ELO system I was actually having a fun time, both in solo and in the queue...

...and then PSR came.

It's rare for me to get 2 kills in a game now and survive. I struggle to hit 600 damage. I haven't had a single game with more than 700 damage, or 4+ kills. Most of the time I'm getting 0 kills, a half dozen or so assists, and about 400ish damage... solo queue. It's a pretty significant change over what I was playing just 2 or so weeks ago.

And then there's group queue. I almost don't want to play this game anymore in a group. Not even with just another buddy. It's just stomp after stomp, with maybe 1 pretty good, solid close game every 10 stomps or so.

KDR in mechs is tanking hard... which might be fine? Who knows, maybe with the old ELO system I was constantly dropping against new players. It's possible I suppose. I dunno. I'd guess I'm probably T3, and as such I'm getting in games up against T1 players sporting hardcore meta builds. I just want to go back to having the same amount of fun I had playing with the old ELO system.



EDIT from Page 3:

I think perhaps my biggest "gripe" with PSR, isn't so much with PSR itself but with the MM... just like it's always been. If I'm to understand how the Tier system works (at least in solo queue, as it doesn't work at all in group), then it's broken up something like this:

T1, T2, T3 players can all get thrown into the same match.
T2, T3, T4, and T5 players can all get thrown into the same match.

The only groups that cannot fight against each other are T1 fighting T4 or T5. Does this seem a bit off to anyone else? Assuming I'm T3, why are I not JUST fighting with/against other T3 pilots? Match me against pilots of equal tier... and once I've moved to the top of that tier, put me in a match with T2 pilots. If I succeed, then move me up into that Tier. If I do horrible, drop me back down into T3. Its the same principle for most online games with tier's or brackets.

To put into an example: In Starcraft, League of Legends, Dota, or any other game I can think of with a "tier" system, you don't have platinum, gold, and silver players in the same match. You're in silver, you play ONLY silver. Once you're ready to move up after proving yourself as a good player in that bracket then you fight a game in a higher tier. Only through succeeding there do you progress. Right now in MWO I feel as if this isn't anywhere the case. There doesn't seem to be that progression. No matter your tier, you're going to be fighting people above and below your bracket.

So I guess TL;DR, PSR might be fine, but the matchmaker needs some serious work. It always has, and it was neglected with PGI's new PSR re-work.

Edited by Weaselball, 03 September 2015 - 07:51 AM.

[El Bandito]

Keep doing bad and you will drop to T4-5, where you won't have to worry about facing T1 players.

Seriously, just try to figure out what you are doing wrong, and try to improve. It is not that hard to do well since you are not a newbie.

Edited by El Bandito, 02 September 2015 - 09:31 PM.

[Amsro]

That just means PSR is working and you are facing people closer to your skill level.

No more mindless zombies to slaughter for the easy 700 + damage 5 kill match.

[XX Sulla XX]

As mentioned your player ranking is higher than it was. You are playing with decent pilots now. Now it can go two ways. You stay at the same skill and your PSR will fall back to where it should be or you adapt to playing with better pilots. Either way you will start having better games if you give it some time

[ShinVector]

Amsro, on 02 September 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

That just means PSR is working and you are facing people closer to your skill level.

No more mindless zombies to slaughter for the easy 700 + damage 5 kill match.

Yeah... Got to agree... Some people are misreading the situation.

While there is possibility there are those that has a inflated PSR as compared to their skill level.

One indicator is to look end matches of all 24 pilots.
If everyone has similar match score regardless of kills.
It would statistically mean the match was quite balanced.

However this is only true for SOLO queue... Groups is a mess...

[cSand]

I have found when the online population is low, it's pratty crap, cause you wait ages for a match.

Matches are pretty damn good when there are more people playing.

[Chuck Jager]

I have seen top notch comp teams wipe the board in less than 3 minutes and only have 1 player get above 350 damage. If you are playing better people everybody's damage drops and the kills are spread more evenly because the builds are more effective and everybody is aiming better.

My solo games have improved dramatically because I am now with more aggressive players who both lead and follow a push. It only takes 2-4 red doritos in front of the enemy to make them fold. If they dont fold it is usually a really good fight win or loose.

[Suko]

I'm just sick of being one of the top 3 pilots on my team, but the games are continually 4/12 losses. I could understand if it was 50/50, but it's not. I played 9 games tonight and my team won ONE. Last night was the same thing. In fact, I was noticing team mates getting killed super early in each game. Eventually I pleaded with my team late last night to just survive a minute. That's all I wanted. They did! Then we lost. But at least it was 8/12! That's better than 3/12!

Honestly, my group queue games are just bullshot. I even got fed up enough to take a light mech out (note: I have been playing this game since closed beta, but I have NEVER piloted a light since elo was added). So, I should essentially be Tiear 3 or worse, right? In the two games I played, it still put me up against the groups that beat us down 5 matches previously. So...what's the point? It seems that whether I'm good or awful it's gonig to put me against the try hard steamroller.

cSand, on 02 September 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

I have found when the online population is low, it's pratty crap, cause you wait ages for a match.

Matches are pretty damn good when there are more people playing.

Hey! You were in my last match of the night where we all just got rolled by KFC. I wish I could say "good times", but....yeah.

Edited by Suko, 02 September 2015 - 10:38 PM.

[Ihasa]

Well this is just another one of those instances where the public can't be pleased. Begging and pleading for the abolishment of Elo, a system based purely off win/loss, comes the new ranking system 7 months in the making, PSR, based off win/loss with heavy achievement modifiers, only moments into it's birth before people are begging and pleading for it's abolishment too.

And I thought trekkies were the most demanding, fickle and hard to please gamers. Oy, best of luck to PGI.

[Elizander]

Be bad like me. Join me in clubbing baby seals in the land where I can get away with 900 damage while using a mech with 22% heat efficiency.

Edited by Elizander, 02 September 2015 - 11:27 PM.

[Triordinant]

Suko, on 02 September 2015 - 10:35 PM, said:

I even got fed up enough to take a light mech out (note: I have been playing this game since closed beta, but I have NEVER piloted a light since elo was added). So, I should essentially be Tiear 3 or worse, right?

Unlike Elo, PSR doesn't take your weight category or tonnage into consideration. It's simply one number that averages all your match scores with all 'mechs since PSR started. What tier you started in was determined by your average match score from Jan. 1 2015 to the day PSR started. Source.

[Sarlic]

Amsro, on 02 September 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

That just means PSR is working and you are facing people closer to your skill level.

No more mindless zombies to slaughter for the easy 700 + damage 5 kill match.

But still dealing with NASCAR, leaving Assaults, ECM runners and 12 random guys with their own target fixation.

Some behaviour will never change, which is unfortunate.

Ofcourse i have these losing matches sub par 200 damage matches aswell.. But so do have 400-600 and 600-900. Many stomps and a few wins. And finally few good close matches.

Everbody have these.

Edited by Sarlic, 02 September 2015 - 11:56 PM.

[Kjudoon]

Sarlic, on 02 September 2015 - 11:54 PM, said:

But still dealing with NASCAR, leaving Assaults, ECM runners and 12 random guys with their own target fixation.

Some behaviour will never change, which is unfortunate.

Ofcourse i have these losing matches sub par 200 damage matches aswell.. But so do have 400-600 and 600-900. Many stomps and a few wins. And finally few good close matches.

Everbody have these.

When PGI made sure you face the 2 closest tiers, Tier 2 and 3 got screeeeeewwwwwed.

[Prof RJ Gumby]

You guys know what is the global average k/d ratio?

It's 1.00

Every 0,01 k/d above 1,00 you have is 0,01 k/d below 1,00 of some other person.
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Elizander, on 02 September 2015 - 11:26 PM, said:

Be bad like me. Join me in clubbing baby seals in the land where I can get away with 900 damage while using a mech with 22% heat efficiency.

I have too been placed below my skill and I don't like it. I know I'm not a really good players, I like to use non-meta builds etc... yet for some reason the PSR sticks to keeping me on Tier 4 or sth. Yesterday I did ~1250 damage and few kills on a match with unelited Trebuchet 3M build of 3x6srms and 3xmed lasers. Jeez, even one of our team admitted that it's his first day of playing...

I've noticed that all players I know who started in 2015 (the psr count your skill from January 2015) are placed below their actual skill. Maybe some miscalculations due to a lack of games in first months or maybe the PSR overestimates the first games you had, when you were totally green and didn't know what were you doing?

[Charronn]

I dunno what tier I am,probably 3 but what I have noticed is if your leveling a new chassis (I'm doing the Tbolt atm) you get battered.Playing in higher tiers is unforgiving playing stock mechs.Kinda puts you off a bit when trying to master them.

[TheCharlatan]

Weaselball, on 02 September 2015 - 09:09 PM, said:

It's rare for me to get 2 kills in a game now and survive. I struggle to hit 600 damage. I haven't had a single game with more than 700 damage, or 4+ kills. Most of the time I'm getting 0 kills, a half dozen or so assists, and about 400ish damage... solo queue. It's a pretty significant change over what I was playing just 2 or so weeks ago.

No offence, but i don't understand: those are decent scores.

Of course, before PSR any "average" pilot could randomly get thrown in the kiddy pool and could stomp an entire team of newbies, getting 1000 damage and 6+ kills.
And damn, those games were fun (for you... i don't think the newbies were impressed). You were a god of war if only for a match. Now... that won't happen as easily.
Games now are harder and more challenging, but i find that more intresting. You just have to up your game and bring your best mechs (not necessarily "meta": as long as you are good in them, you'll will be fine: i get very good results in my X5, which is supposedly a tier 9 mech!).

If there must be a critic of this new PSR, it's the fact that bringing mechs that you are still learning to pilot well is a PITA, especially if they are "low tier".
Hopefully this will get fixed (at least a bit) by the upcoming "mega rebalance".

[MrMadguy]

Working as intended. The fact, that you were performing way too well may have been caused by sitting in so called "ELO Paradise" - i.e. fighting against way too weak enemies. That's why you tended to overesimate your personal skill. But the fact, that you were sitting in ELO Paradise, means, that some other players, like me, were sitting in ELO Hell - were constantly losing and having KDR < 1. Now you're playing at PSR level, where you should be. You are just not so super pro, as you thought. Deal with it, lol. The game still isn't perfect, partially due to PSR rating still haven't settled down yet, but it's much better, then when we had ELO - at least there are no more 100500 stomps in a row.

Edited by MrMadguy, 03 September 2015 - 01:00 AM.

[Elizander]

Charronn, on 03 September 2015 - 12:17 AM, said:

I dunno what tier I am,probably 3 but what I have noticed is if your leveling a new chassis (I'm doing the Tbolt atm) you get battered.Playing in higher tiers is unforgiving playing stock mechs.Kinda puts you off a bit when trying to master them.

I always keep suggesting that mechs who don't have elite efficiencies unlocked or DHS upgrades should get an ELO/PSR handicap.

[Lily from animove]

Weaselball, on 02 September 2015 - 09:09 PM, said:

Just wanted to hop in and vent my frustrations with the new PSR system... because I know the forums care about my feelings, and I'm sure you guys will be very supportive and offer me some comforting advice without any flaming at all.

I'm by no means an amazing pilot. I wouldn't even say I'm a good pilot. But prior to the PSR system I was having matches with a regular 1.5+ KDR in my most played Mechs, the Zeus. Sure I'd have a game or two where I'd die with less than 200 damage and no kills, but they'd usually be offset by games with 700+ damage, 3+ kills, etc. Again, I'm not here to toot my own horn, I don't consider myself an ace pilot, but back with the old ELO system I was actually having a fun time, both in solo and in the queue...

...and then PSR came.

It's rare for me to get 2 kills in a game now and survive. I struggle to hit 600 damage. I haven't had a single game with more than 700 damage, or 4+ kills. Most of the time I'm getting 0 kills, a half dozen or so assists, and about 400ish damage... solo queue. It's a pretty significant change over what I was playing just 2 or so weeks ago.

And then there's group queue. I almost don't want to play this game anymore in a group. Not even with just another buddy. It's just stomp after stomp, with maybe 1 pretty good, solid close game every 10 stomps or so.

KDR in mechs is tanking hard... which might be fine? Who knows, maybe with the old ELO system I was constantly dropping against new players. It's possible I suppose. I dunno. I'd guess I'm probably T3, and as such I'm getting in games up against T1 players sporting hardcore meta builds. I just want to go back to having the same amount of fun I had playing with the old ELO system.

look, when you could do 1.5's and 700 damage regular,y you were probably not pur amongst the correct opponents. Now PSR corrects this, which means harder matches for you. This is how "fair" matchups look like. getting 700dmg regulary and high k/d's is somethign that will only apply to top pilots where there is not skill obove them, or too low to regulary meet full matches of their own skill.

[Catra Lanis]

MrMadguy, on 03 September 2015 - 12:56 AM, said:

Working as intended. The fact, that you were performing way too well may have been caused by sitting in so called "ELO Paradise" - i.e. fighting against way too weak enemies. That's why you tended to overesimate your personal skill. But the fact, that you were sitting in ELO Paradise, means, that some other players, like me, were sitting in ELO Hell - were constantly losing and having KDR < 1. Now you're playing at PSR level, where you should be. You are just not so super pro, as you thought. Deal with it, lol. The game still isn't perfect, partially due to PSR rating still haven't settled down yet, but it's much better, then when we had ELO - at least there are no more 100500 stomps in a row.

Not so sure, if PSR works it should after enough matches result in a w/l near 1.0 and a k/d near 1.0 due to being placed with players of similar skill level. I've played 300 matches now, I see the same names as before it was introduced and I end up in the middle of my team when it comes to match score. Still it's not fun anymore. I get 400 damage on average but never a kill, whereas before I could do 4-500 and at least get a kill.

Wait you say, well how long should I wait until it adjusts and bumps me up or down, 400 matches, 1000? It should be able to do a rough estimate after 20 matches at most.