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[Agent 0 Fortune]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 September 2015 - 05:16 PM, said:

there is no engine cap in canon except for (1) a 400 rated or (2) you run out of tonnage.

Sarna says different. 225XL specifically, for this lore-based hero mech, plus the 1.2x multiplier PGI adds for customization.
Yes the game has mech building rules, those mechs are not the Bounty Hunter

[bad arcade kitty]

Roadkill, on 14 September 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

The Summoner sucks. (Sorry, Bishop.) Using it as a counter-point is laughable. Don't try to drag every other Mech down to the Summoner's level... it needs to be brought up to a serviceable level.

you are way to spoiled with clan top tier heavies if you think that summoner sucks
it's the fastest 'heavy' heavy which runs like 93.5 kmh with the speed tweak and its +5% speed quirk (and has c-xl so it can lose a side torso)
it has 20.7 tons of podspace, 21 with 6 armor on the head which is enough for 1 gauss 1 ppc, 2 ppc 1 uac5, 2 uac5 3 ml, 5 ssrm-6 etc

overall summoner is better than most of is heavies

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 14 September 2015 - 05:36 PM.

[Roadkill]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 14 September 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

Sarna says different. 225XL specifically, for this lore-based hero mech, plus the 1.2x multiplier PGI adds for customization.

Right, so as Bishop said there's no canon limit on engine size.

PGI's bandaid rule isn't canon.

[Bishop Steiner]

Roadkill, on 14 September 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

Hyperbole much?

The BH's hardpoints are not superior to every other Marauder's hardpoints. The only thing it can do better than the others is laser vomit, which is mitigated by the fact that all but one of its E hardpoints are in low-slung arms. Its hardpoints give it very limited options while the other variants are all much more flexible.

The Cataphract and the Orion are already obsolete. Adding the BH does not change that in any way. The Black Knight and Grasshopper have higher E mounts, and at least in the Grasshopper's case likely a slimmer profile. Remember, the Marauder is big and gangly... I suspect it's going to have mediocre hitboxes at best. Jagermechs have all of their important hardpoints in high mounts in the arms - they serve a completely different role and will be unaffected by the introduction of the Marauder.

The Summoner sucks. (Sorry, Bishop.) Using it as a counter-point is laughable. Don't try to drag every other Mech down to the Summoner's level... it needs to be brought up to a serviceable level.

A 325 gives it a top speed of 77 kph with Speed Tweak, not 85. Plus the Hellbringer has ECM and a better hardpoint layout.

Seriously, man, I want some of what you're smoking.

why you apologizing? Summoner does suck, lol. I wish it didn't but, it is what it is.

You also forget to mention that Laservomit is massively mitigated by not having the speed or agility to effectively bring it to bear.

I suppose some are-tards will try 6 LL builds to go 3 and 3, but those tend to be meh on Stalkers, with 10 tons more to use, so......

Agent 0 Fortune, on 14 September 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

Sarna says different. 225XL specifically, for this lore-based hero mech, plus the 1.2x multiplier PGI adds for customization.
Yes the game has mech building rules, those mechs are not the Bounty Hunter

cool so then all mechs need to be capped with whatever their stock engine is. Or at the very least all, Heroes.

In fact, lets lock them totally so they can only be run bone stock!

BRILLIANT!!!!

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 14 September 2015 - 05:39 PM.

[Roadkill]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 14 September 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

Yes the game has mech building rules, those mechs are not the Bounty Hunter

Well in that case Hero Mechs shouldn't be customizable at all.

Hey, if you change it at all it's no longer the Bounty Hunter.

[Brody319]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 September 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

I suppose some are-tards will try 6 LL builds to go 3 and 3, but those tend to be meh on Stalkers, with 10 tons more to use, so......

Sounds good to me

[Bishop Steiner]

Brody319, on 14 September 2015 - 05:39 PM, said:

Sounds good to me

and high hardpoints vs knuckle dragger ones......

[Agent 0 Fortune]

I'm going to add this for full disclosure since it is relevant to the conversation.
I am interested in purchasing the $40 pack to get the MAD-3R(S). I really have no interest in the MAD-BH2 variant. I won't purchase it regardless of where it lands.
However, I will not be purchasing a MAD-3R(S) if it is outclassed by the Bounty Hunter, and if I don't get the (S), I also don't buy the standard pack either, I have enough grinding of other chassis scheduled to keep me busy long after it is released for C-Bills.

I just wanted to put this in terms PGI understands.

[Bishop Steiner]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 14 September 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:

I'm going to add this for full disclosure since it is relevant to the conversation.
I am interested in purchasing the $40 pack to get the MAD-3R(S). I really have no interest in the MAD-BH2 variant. I won't purchase it regardless of where it lands.
However, I will not be purchasing a MAD-3R(S) if it is outclassed by the Bounty Hunter, and if I don't get the (S), I also don't buy the standard pack either, I have enough grinding of other chassis scheduled to keep me busy long after it is released for C-Bills.

I just wanted to put this in terms PGI understands.

Cool. Still waiting for you to actually show how it would be outclassed by being made actually useful.

Time after time, you throw up hyperbole, not facts or reasoned arguments. Now you resort to ultimatums. Not your usual style.

Also, Needs of the many and all that....seems like a whole lot more people agreeing with me than you, atm.

Just to put it in terms PGI understands.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 14 September 2015 - 05:45 PM.

[J0anna]

Amazing, PGI releases the Marauder after nearly 20 years of being 'unseen' and people here are complaining that one of them isn't good enough...I really don't care if it's competitive or not. I'll probably leave one of the 3R's stock, and only upgrade the components in the other, changing the weapons on the 3R is like repainting the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, it's Grayson Carlyle's mech, it is BattleTech.

[zagibu]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 14 September 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:

However, I will not be purchasing a MAD-3R(S) if it is outclassed by the Bounty Hunter, and if I don't get the (S), I also don't buy the standard pack either, I have enough grinding of other chassis scheduled to keep me busy long after it is released for C-Bills.

Cool, no problem, then, because raising the cap to 300 or even 325 will not make it outclass the 3R.

Moenrg, on 14 September 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:

Amazing, PGI releases the Marauder after nearly 20 years of being 'unseen' and people here are complaining that one of them isn't good enough...I really don't care if it's competitive or not. I'll probably leave one of the 3R's stock, and only upgrade the components in the other, changing the weapons on the 3R is like repainting the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, it's Grayson Carlyle's mech, it is BattleTech.

One of the most cruel things you can do to someone, is give them the thing they most wish for, but break it before you hand it over.

Edited by zagibu, 14 September 2015 - 05:56 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Moenrg, on 14 September 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:

Amazing, PGI releases the Marauder after nearly 20 years of being 'unseen' and people here are complaining that one of them isn't good enough...I really don't care if it's competitive or not. I'll probably leave one of the 3R's stock, and only upgrade the components in the other, changing the weapons on the 3R is like repainting the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, it's Grayson Carlyle's mech, it is BattleTech.

hey if sucking for nostalgia's sake makes you grin, more power to you (I run a stock Summoner Prime on my Clan Acct, so I feel ya). Having the ability to NOT suck, on the other hand doesn't impact your choice at all, now does it?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 14 September 2015 - 05:57 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 14 September 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:

I'm going to add this for full disclosure since it is relevant to the conversation.
I am interested in purchasing the $40 pack to get the MAD-3R(S). I really have no interest in the MAD-BH2 variant. I won't purchase it regardless of where it lands.
However, I will not be purchasing a MAD-3R(S) if it is outclassed by the Bounty Hunter, and if I don't get the (S), I also don't buy the standard pack either, I have enough grinding of other chassis scheduled to keep me busy long after it is released for C-Bills.

I just wanted to put this in terms PGI understands.

That's quite foolish, since the other two variants already outclass the 3R, so since you don't want the Bounty Hunter, you want it to be the WORST Marauder released, is what you are saying.

Just get out. Make sure you close the door behind you.

[Bishop Steiner]

zagibu, on 14 September 2015 - 05:52 PM, said:

Cool, no problem, then, because raising the cap to 300 or even 325 will not make it outclass the 3R.

Heck if anything, he should be complaining the 3R get saddled with 3 Ballistics..... don't see how the Bounty Hunter should have to suck because of that.

[Gas Guzzler]

Moenrg, on 14 September 2015 - 05:51 PM, said:

Amazing, PGI releases the Marauder after nearly 20 years of being 'unseen' and people here are complaining that one of them isn't good enough...I really don't care if it's competitive or not. I'll probably leave one of the 3R's stock, and only upgrade the components in the other, changing the weapons on the 3R is like repainting the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, it's Grayson Carlyle's mech, it is BattleTech.

That's fine man, I get it. I don't think going from a 275 to 300 is that big of a deal, but a 71 kph heavy is at least workable.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 14 September 2015 - 05:54 PM, said:

That's quite foolish, since the other two variants already outclass the 3R, so since you don't want the Bounty Hunter, you want it to be the WORST Marauder released, is what you are saying.

Just get out. Make sure you close the door behind you.

Don't always see eye to eye with Agent, but never figured I'd see him being so oddly obstinate on something with absolutely no basis in cogent fact or argument. Color me boggled.

[Lord0fHats]

It would need some crazy quirks to make such a slow 75 ton mech worthwhile and since we probably won't get the quriks till right before release... Yeah. Not interested. The pain job isn't even that spiffy.

[Brody319]

The 3R with 2 UAC5 with 5 tons of ammo + 4 MLs.
Boom best build.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 September 2015 - 05:43 PM, said:

Cool. Still waiting for you to actually show how it would be outclassed by being made actually useful.

Time after time, you throw up hyperbole, not facts or reasoned arguments. Now you resort to ultimatums. Not your usual style.

Also, Needs of the many and all that....seems like a whole lot more people agreeing with me than you, atm.

Just to put it in terms PGI understands.

Being unpopular never discouraged me.
I simply believe that a larger engine will make the MAD-BH the most powerful Marauder available, which as a hero mech. Furthermore, at 75 tons it is at the top of the Heavy food chain.
This would make the Bounty Hunter the best mch in the heavy weight class, the definition of pay to win. Remember h house that worked out for the Victors?

No hyperbole here, just identifying the balance problems created by allowing a larger engine (I got pulled off topic by the lore posts, my bad)

[Bishop Steiner]

Brody319, on 14 September 2015 - 05:57 PM, said:

The 3R with 2 UAC5 with 5 tons of ammo + 4 MLs.
Boom best build.

..................... "best"?

That word you keep saying.... I do not think it means what you think it means......