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[Mystere]

Satan n stuff, on 18 September 2015 - 12:56 AM, said:

As far as I know an official announcement beats the word of a single GM.

Considering that post is still pinned in the Rules & Guidelines forum, I'd say it's still in effect.

What can I say? Some people just love creating their own rules in spite of an existing one that explicitly states what you can and cannot do. <smh>

[Mudhutwarrior]

Mystere, on 18 September 2015 - 06:42 AM, said:

What can I say? Some people just love creating their own rules in spite of an existing one that explicitly states what you can and cannot do. <smh>

I tend to think those are the people who populate 66ah and the like too. If one can twist the rules to suit them its not much further down the slippery slope to outright cheating. Look at how those scumbags came back and were accepted back into the fold. Birds of a feather flock together. Like I said they are not to be trusted as they will justify anything they do. Sociopaths in nature.

[Lugh]

Mudhutwarrior, on 18 September 2015 - 06:33 AM, said:

Cite please?

Same rules page, about non-participation.


Non-Participation Abuse
If a player has joined a match, they must have launched the game with intent to play. Players who are not moving, or are otherwise not participating in the spirit of the game, fall under this category. While we all understand the call of nature: Repeated abuse of this behaviour, similarly to 'Mech Suicide and Team Killing, results in an unfair advantage for the enemy teams, and is thus not considered acceptable use. Please keep in mind that idling on your cap point without armour or moving does not constitute a form of tactical "Base Defense".

Edited by Lugh, 18 September 2015 - 06:46 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Lugh, on 18 September 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:

Same rules page, about non-participation.


Non-Participation Abuse
If a player has joined a match, they must have launched the game with intent to play. Players who are not moving, or are otherwise not participating in the spirit of the game, fall under this category. While we all understand the call of nature: Repeated abuse of this behaviour, similarly to 'Mech Suicide and Team Killing, results in an unfair advantage for the enemy teams, and is thus not considered acceptable use. Please keep in mind that idling on your cap point without armour or moving does not constitute a form of tactical "Base Defense".

Thing is you don't get to decide. PGI does.

[Mystere]

Chuck YeaGurr, on 17 September 2015 - 09:12 PM, said:

Trust me it takes many times of doing this before you get a warning.

And that's at PGI's discretion.

Chuck YeaGurr, on 17 September 2015 - 09:12 PM, said:

It is better to macro a a "report player for non participation, if we all do it they can get banned". It really gets them PO and they will start cursing and threatening you. Basically beat them with a bigger troll.

That will never work on me, especially because only I know exactly what I am doing and why, and I have no obligation to explain it to dead people. That is just crazy.

[Kotzi]

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Posted 12 February 2015 - 05:44 AM
So I got a reply to my email


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Hi there!
Thank you for your feedback and our apologies we could not reach your earlier. If the player B is still actively playing it is not considered non-participation.
For us powering down your mech for the purpose of letting the clock run out and maintaining your K/D ratio does not fall within the intended spirit of the shutdown mechanic, and is considered an act of non-participation.
Regards

GM_Patience
Piranha Games

So, going back to my OP and applying my understanding of the reply I got: as long as you aren't shutdown and clock sitting then you don't have to present yourself for immediate execution at the whim of the other team.

So don't threaten to report just because they aren't currently in your firing line, but if you think they are shutdown to save their KDR (not quite sure how you can prove the intent there, oh well...) then report them. IMO by just reporting them, not by going "If you don't present yourself to be shot I will report you", or variants there of.

And, once again, my personal favorite solution is: Find Them, Kill Them, Next Round.

Edited by Raggedyman, 12 February 2015 - 06:33 AM.

Sorry for fullquote but i am a noob forumwarrior. Dunno how to quote from another thread.

[Mystere]

Lugh, on 18 September 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:

Same rules page, about non-participation.

Non-Participation Abuse
If a player has joined a match, they must have launched the game with intent to play. Players who are not moving, or are otherwise not participating in the spirit of the game, fall under this category. While we all understand the call of nature: Repeated abuse of this behaviour, similarly to 'Mech Suicide and Team Killing, results in an unfair advantage for the enemy teams, and is thus not considered acceptable use. Please keep in mind that idling on your cap point without armour or moving does not constitute a form of tactical "Base Defense".

You are supposed to report the player to PGI, not reveal their location.

[Mystere]

Alek Ituin, on 17 September 2015 - 08:23 PM, said:

Lets be honest here: You should be able to give the location of AFK's and DC's to the enemy team without fear of reprisal.

But the rule explicitly says you cannot. So unless PGI changes the rule ...

[Lugh]

Mudhutwarrior, on 18 September 2015 - 06:47 AM, said:

Thing is you don't get to decide. PGI does.

So you have one minor 'offense' vs 23 against the guy griefing by afking / powering down.

I wonder how the logic on that one will go.

[Apnu]

I don't get the "powerdown to live" PUG thoughts. Plenty of times I've been stripped of guns and I keep playing. Screw my KDR, I want the win. So I'll make myself moving terrain for my buddies still able to shoot at stuff. I'll get in the face of some enemy, block his view, halt his movement, pin him behind so he can't back into cover... plenty of things to do when you're out of weapons.

However, the other night the PUG shutdown trick resulted in hilarity.

So it was a bad match on Forest Colony. Without Elo right now, my team had 3 good players and the rest derping derps of derplandia and the other team spanked us. Well we all died but a KGC who was in fairly decent condition (he was at 80%, damn NASCAR gits)... Anyway, he climbs up that tight path only lights can really use, turns around and shuts down. He was QQ'ing on coms a bit, but was funny about it so we hung out to listen to his rants.

Anyway... he's shutdown and the enemy team walks past him once, then twice, then three times. We started laughing about it and this BJ wanders into the view and is shooting at the vegetation, bored, so the KGC powers up and gives him an AC40 kiss to the CT. Dead. He charges out into the open and just Leroy Jenkins the team and it took them a minute or two to recover from the shock. He kills some other medium and then two TBR's team up to bring him down.
That was fun.

[GRiPSViGiL]

15 minutes games. Lobby for shorter time limits if you are that impatient. If someone wants to shutdown and sit till the last 60 seconds and then try and steal a kill at the end of the match so be it. I don't have to tell you why I shutdown and my intentions and nor does anyone else that does that. Thing is you guys are so selfish in dictating how someone else plays that you immediately report a players position even when they are moving if they aren't trying to duel a 5 v 1 or more situation. If they enemy team has such a numbers advantage then let them hunt the mech down. Either way they win after 15 mins.

I always report treason when I see it against a teammate or if the enemy calls out their own guy.

15 MINUTES GUYS! If no can handle jump in a different freaking mech. Go take a duce! Do anything but commit treason. Sad lil dictators.

Mystere, on 18 September 2015 - 06:48 AM, said:

And that's at PGI's discretion.




That will never work on me, especially because only I know exactly what I am doing and why, and I have no obligation to explain it to dead people. That is just crazy.

EXACTLY......you don't need to explain the way your playing to anyone.

[Lootee]

Eat ****. I've had inconsiderate jackholes pull this kind of bullcrap in Conquest when I'm the last one left in a fast light mech with resources near max.

Dead players should not be able to communicate with those still in the match period.

[Catra Lanis]

Who cares, sit it out or launch another mech.

[Mister Blastman]

Mystere, on 17 September 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

Then you would be in violation, and shouldn't complain when reported and banned, especially because the rule clearly states what you can and cannot do in such a situation.

You gotta be a total jerk to report someone for calling out the co-ordinates of someone that purposefully shut down to drag the clock out several minutes just to avoid dying.

[Lykaon]

Master Pain, on 17 September 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

This is why i don't play skirmish.

One of many reasons skirmish is a poorly designed game mode.

My issue is the matchmaker randomly assigns buffs and handicaps to teams before the match starts.

The Matchmaker would classify a tier 3 pilot with a Timberwolf and equal to a tier 3 pilot in a quickdraw Both are the same tier both are heavy mechs thus equal.

The matchmaker does not take loadout into account so a Kingcrab with 4 LRM10s and 2 medium lasers is equal to a 6x UAC5 Direwolf in the matchmaker's eyes.

The matchmaker fails to account for ECM.One team gets three ECMs the other none,matchmaker counts this as a fair match because all the mech weights and pilot tiers are matched.

Matchmaker never takes into account mech synergies.One team gets an LRM boat and a spotter with TAG and NARC on a team that also has ECM. While the other team gets 2 LRM boats no spotter and no ECM,still a fair match because the mech weights and pilot tiers equal out.

As a result of lose matchmaker perameters skirmish in almost every randomly assigned solo queue match has slanted the victory results for one team or the other before any player even pulls a trigger.

Since the only way to win a Skirmish is to win in a fight the team with the most favorable randomly assigned team has an edge.Team red gets 3 ECM 7 clan mechs and 3 meta pimped out I.S. mechs while team Blue gets no ECM 3 clanmechs and a bunch of "I like fun builds" pilots. Place your bets!

Edited by Lykaon, 18 September 2015 - 07:19 AM.

[Mystere]

Mister Blastman, on 18 September 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

You gotta be a total jerk to report someone for calling out the co-ordinates of someone that purposefully shut down to drag the clock out several minutes just to avoid dying.

He're the thing. For some people, it's not about dying, not even close. It's about making the enemy earn the last kill the hard way. There are some people who really just do not give a damn about their KDR.

Also, as a few posters has said here and in other past threads, someone could be shutting down in an attempt to ambush the enemy and get one last kill. Ratting that person's position denies them of that opportunity. They are also under no obligation to explain themselves to anyone.

Should players just hand themselves on a silver platter and help pad someone else's stats?

We have too many stat-whoring little dictators playing this game telling others how to do so.

Edited by Mystere, 18 September 2015 - 07:39 AM.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Mister Blastman, on 18 September 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

You gotta be a total jerk to report someone for calling out the co-ordinates of someone that purposefully shut down to drag the clock out several minutes just to avoid dying.

I am that jerk that reports treason. You want to be a jerk and call out coords....get reported.

[Mystere]

Lykaon, on 18 September 2015 - 07:16 AM, said:

One of many reasons skirmish is a poorly designed game mode.

My issue is the matchmaker randomly assigns buffs and handicaps to teams before the match starts.

The Matchmaker would classify a tier 3 pilot with a Timberwolf and equal to a tier 3 pilot in a quickdraw Both are the same tier both are heavy mechs thus equal.

The matchmaker does not take loadout into account so a Kingcrab with 4 LRM10s and 2 medium lasers is equal to a 6x UAC5 Direwolf in the matchmaker's eyes.

The matchmaker fails to account for ECM.One team gets three ECMs the other none,matchmaker counts this as a fair match because all the mech weights and pilot tiers are matched.

Matchmaker never takes into account mech synergies.One team gets an LRM boat and a spotter with TAG and NARC on a team that also has ECM. While the other team gets 2 LRM boats no spotter and no ECM,still a fair match because the mech weights and pilot tiers equal out.

As a result of lose matchmaker perameters skirmish in almost every randomly assigned solo queue match has slanted the victory results for one team or the other before any player even pulls a trigger.

Since the only way to win a Skirmish is to win in a fight the team with the most favorable randomly assigned team has an edge.Team red gets 3 ECM 7 clan mechs and 3 meta pimped out I.S. mechs while team Blue gets no ECM 3 clanmechs and a bunch of "I like fun builds" pilots. Place your bets!

Why would I even want a matchmaker that attempts to create opposing teams that are mirror images of each other? That's so damned boring.

Heck, I always liked the original random "matchmaker". You never knew who you were going to face.

[Mister Blastman]

Mystere, on 18 September 2015 - 07:33 AM, said:

He're the thing. For some people, it's not about dying, not even close. It's about making the enemy earn the last kill the hard way. There are some people who really just do not give a damn about their KDR.

Also, as a few posters has said here and in other past threads, someone could be shutting down in an attempt to ambush the enemy and get one last kill. Ratting that person's position denies them of that opportunity. The are also under no obligation to explain themselves to anyone.

Should players just hand themselves on a silver platter and help pad someone else's stats?

It isn't about padding stats. Please. This is about etiquette. MWO locks your 'mech down until the game is over. If another player decides to go all the way to a remote corner of the map, power down and hide--they aren't trying to ambush anyone. They are trying to hide.

This is about letting those cowards die so other players can get their 'mechs unlocked and keep playing.

The needs of the many here outweigh the needs of the few.

You're a jerk if you report someone for reporting the position of a coward.

GRiPSViGiL, on 18 September 2015 - 07:37 AM, said:

I am that jerk that reports treason. You want to be a jerk and call out coords....get reported.

You're a jerk for doing that plain and simple.

[GRiPSViGiL]

Mister Blastman, on 18 September 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

You're a jerk for doing that plain and simple.

Yes, that is what I said and I have no bones about it. Not as big a jerk as someone who reports coords though but still a jerk because jerky behavior deserves equally jerky trolling.

If you are worried about a mech being "locked down" you aught to budget your time better to be prepared for a 15 minute match when you hit the launch button.