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[Sarlic]

stjobe, on 19 September 2015 - 06:08 AM, said:

You should have joined me on the little guy, since you're done with the big guy:



But, I'm sure Banshees will work out for you as well; it's no Commando but I'm sure it has its fans

I really though of picking up for C.W in order to make this account 'dropable'. But i tried C.W. multiple times and i didn't liked it. Call me insane, but i find it a dead pool. It's very dull to play. I have way more fun in the group ques then in C.W.

The C.W. is a great missed oppertunity to shine for PGI. I think they really blew that one.

I particulary like ECM Commies.

Edited by Sarlic, 19 September 2015 - 06:13 AM.

[VirtualSmitty]

Sarlic, on 19 September 2015 - 05:58 AM, said:

Allright.

Started with the Banshees today. Not the best moment to go basic in the solo que when a event is running.

Biggest brainfart i have is that the ballistic side compared with the Atlas is swapped. The Atlas has from the cockpit view the ballistic on the right side. The Banshee however got it on the left side!

I often find myself firing the wrong button because i think i am positioned and can fire my ballstics. Instead i fire my lasers...

Very fun mech to play. Hard, but fun.

I first bought the 3E. I know alot of people run the Banshee 3E with PPCS+AC5's. However i wanted to go a step further and trying to manage all the hardpoints with reasonable firepower.

I ended up with this build for the 3E. All reasonable cooling etc for a basic build. (Yes i build it myself, you may slap me in the face)




NNNNngggghhhhhh! LOL...





Nothing special. N'uhuh! Only basic! (Not very good score, but in my opinion it is a nifty one!)
Suprisingly enough i really like this build so far. I know AC/2s are underpeforming but so far i have been pretty fun with it. People don't expect seeing this on the Banshee. And if it gets ignored i just fire away. Real challenge to crank up some damage with it.

I have had this morning 100-300 damage matches aswell. Lowest one was about 75 due a brainfart. I positioned myself totally wrong and got hit in the balls.
Frustating that you see during events the whole team mentality changes. I can really feel the amount of gauss + lasers pointed to the Assaults.

Damn! This thing is harder then expected but so enjoyable.

I got a few other builds ready as well. But building is harder then expected. I dont want to use the popular builds *yet*.

Thanks for your warm replies so far!

The AC2 build can be quite good actually. If your good at avoiding tunnel vision once the daka starts i'd say stick with it. One of the great strengths of the Banshee is it's gorilla arms, all too often I see others not take advantage of those when the shells start flying.

[Sarlic]

Precentor Martial Jarcaddy, on 19 September 2015 - 06:13 AM, said:

The AC2 build can be quite good actually. If your good at avoiding tunnel vision once the daka starts i'd say stick with it. One of the great strengths of the Banshee is it's gorilla arms, all too often I see others not take advantage of those when the shells start flying.

You should see how many with cbills bought EBJs are not utilising their high mount.
I though i could put the LPL on the higher hardpoint, but instead a medium fllls automatically the slot.

But the thing is i see alot of people complainging the mech sucks, is bad. Sure some mechs do generally suck. But they also should learn how to the mech is build.

I really need to get used to the higher hardpoints though!

[stjobe]

Sarlic, on 19 September 2015 - 06:12 AM, said:

I really though of picking up for C.W in order to make this account 'dropable'. But i tried C.W. multiple times and i didn't liked it. Call me insane, but i find it a dead pool. It's very dull to play. I have way more fun in the group ques then in C.W.

The C.W. is a great missed oppertunity to shine for PGI. I think they really blew that one.

PGI doesn't do "shine". They do MVP. /snark

But yes, they really, really blew CW. Personally, I blame Paul for that. As someone previously employed at PGI said way back in 2008 already, with regards to PGI management: "Stop trying to design games or manage production when you can't do either. Hire a designer. Hire qualified production leads. Stop trying to do those things."

Sarlic, on 19 September 2015 - 06:12 AM, said:

I particulary like ECM Commies.

The 2D's one saving grace, and its curse, is its ECM.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

sarlic.... Its good, you move to 2nd mech chassis.... after all...
If you like balistic as much as me, mauler is a must (i did for a la carte, its best balistic IS mech.)

[zagibu]

If you want to play lots of different builds, you have to stick with Assaults and Heavies, because most mediums and lighter mechs are too restricted to provide great variation. Of course, in theory you CAN put big ACs into a Cicada, but it will never be anything but a joke build.

[Chuck Jager]

My Atlas and old '71 doge truck have fond memories, but both are only really good for running errands like taking the trash to the dump

[MischiefSC]

Sarlic, on 18 September 2015 - 06:46 AM, said:

And then i want to move on. .. It's scary!

The Atlas will still be my main force, but i want something else. Something else to specialise on. Challenge- or not. Waiting for the Mauler takes too long. It will not be out for cbills untill february 2016 i believe.

I like building. I like shuffling with loadouts. I like being a generalist, but i like specialising as well. I dont build near quirks or 'meta'.

I have been looking at the Atlas lil brother the Orion. Any thoughts about that? Piloting this thing must be a real challenge i suppose. Or even harder! (I have experiences with other mechs on throwaway accounts).

I like filling as much hardpoints as possible. I do not like Clans. Tried them out plenty of times but they're not for me. So IS mechs only.

Suggestions? What would 'suit' me you think? Or would you wait for rebalance?

Thanks a bunch!

There's tons of bad things to say about the Orion, however....

Honest truth? I've had some builds in them that run pretty well. Especially if you're an Atlas pilot.

My best recommendation is either run 4xSRM4As or drop the SRMs all together. Stick with the AC20; if you run a lot of Atlases you know how to work one. The Orion with 2 lasers on each arm, do 2 LLs on the left side and 2 MLs on the right so if you lose the AC you've got the LLs.

I like the Orion. It's sub-par, but I still run mine for fun.

[MischiefSC]

I have a deep and abiding love for the Banshee 3E. It's my best performing mech so far and it is the totem mech of Clan Mischief.

3xAC5, 2LL, 2MLs. If you feel like being a kill-stealing ******* and you're sick of nascar pug queue stuff go XL375, Gauss and 3PPCs. When you are solid with the PPCs the thing will cockpit kill people until you're getting 'AIMBOTTER!' cries every match.

[PaeuxP22]

I can't believe noone has pushed for Urbies. They're slow and ac20 compatible. Plus they look awesome!!!

[Speedy Plysitkos]

PaeuxP22, on 20 September 2015 - 12:07 AM, said:

I can't believe noone has pushed for Urbies. They're slow and ac20 compatible. Plus they look awesome!!!

they are available for MC now.... (600-800)

[Sarlic]

MischiefSC, on 19 September 2015 - 01:58 PM, said:

I have a deep and abiding love for the Banshee 3E. It's my best performing mech so far and it is the totem mech of Clan Mischief.

3xAC5, 2LL, 2MLs. If you feel like being a kill-stealing ******* and you're sick of nascar pug queue stuff go XL375, Gauss and 3PPCs. When you are solid with the PPCs the thing will cockpit kill people until you're getting 'AIMBOTTER!' cries every match.

Ha!

I have tried to build several Banshees on a different way. They're much harder then expected.

I have been pumping 200-400 damage with basic'd Banshees. But i think i will skip the weekend a bit. The event brings the bad out of players.

But i did have some fun though. Even with FF equipped i feel it's a bit of a wet paper (CT). I do really notice everyone just aims for the CT. Instead of the ST like the Atlas.

This is another build i tried yesterday on the second Banshe (3S). Not bad, i like it. It's different. I think i topped 500 damage with it. Not a big dealbreaker, but the mediums makes it really worth to fire on a single component. Although it's much harder when the targets are always on the move.

One side has full pin point damage, the other one is taking to the components out with spread or a full 'alpha' hit.

This is a weird build i came up as well. But the high cooling makes it worth as a full DPS machine. I am not sure how this plays out.

I still need to buy the other Banshee. The energy one.

I need to gian more experience with building and piloting though before i feel comfortable with the builds. But my brain keeps farting witht he swapped ballistic sides compared to the Atlas. Really need to overcome that one with positioning.

TLDR:

Edited by Sarlic, 20 September 2015 - 01:00 AM.

[MischiefSC]

Sarlic, on 20 September 2015 - 12:30 AM, said:

Ha!

I have tried to build several Banshees on a different way. They're much harder then expected.

I have been pumping 200-400 damage with basic'd Banshees. But i think i will skip the weekend a bit. The event brings the bad out of players.

But i did have some fun though. Even with FF equipped i feel it's a bit of a wet paper (CT). I do really notice everyone just aims for the CT. Instead of the ST like the Atlas.

This is another build i tried yesterday on the second Banshe (3S). Not bad, i like it. It's different. I think i topped 500 damage with it. Not a big dealbreaker, but the mediums makes it really worth to fire on a single component. Although it's much harder when the targets are always on the move.

One side has full pin point damage, the other one is taking to the components out with spread or a full 'alpha' hit.

This is a weird build i came up as well. But the high cooling makes it worth as a full DPS machine. I am not sure how this plays out.

I still need to buy the other Banshee. The energy one.

I need to gian more experience with building and piloting though before i feel comfortable with the builds. But my brain keeps farting witht he swapped ballistic sides compared to the Atlas. Really need to overcome that one with positioning.

TLDR:

It's the arms. That's one reason the WubShee is so good; you put an XL400 in it and it swings very well. It's shockingly nimble for the size and the XLs are not an issue. That's the 3M.

That's also a good part of the 3AC5 + 2LL, 2ML build - it's a stupid amount of DPS and it can sustain it for a silly amount of time, letting you face-tank down a lot of enemies. The UAC build is alright but the 3xAC5s are better IMO because the 325 just isn't nimble enough to let you get out of fire when the UACs jam and they jam often. You can also do 1UAC5, 1AC5, 1AC2. Dakkavomit!

You can go nuts with the 3E though. 2LB10X; do it. I'm serious. Then put 3 LLs in the other side. You'll be surprised; at close range 2xLB10X really eats stuff up, especially with the lasers doing their work. You can run AC20, 3xLPL, tons of DHS.

IT's just so flexible; have fun with it. Banshees are, IMO, one of the funnest all around assaults. Between the 3M and the 3E you can make just about any sort of direct fire design you want and it's far superior to the Mauler; better hitboxes and more maneuverable. Get double-basics and she'll spring to life and don't put in anything under a 300 in it. If you go STD and heavy firepower then run it like an Atlas that can actually back up. If you go XL, go BIG and stay on the move; play it more like a heavy.

As I said. She's mah favorite.

Edited by MischiefSC, 20 September 2015 - 01:20 AM.

[Sarlic]

Thanks MischiefSC.

Bought one Orion today. And al non-basic do way much better then the basi'd Banshees. Which is very suprising. I though i would do better with the Banshees.

Guess the Banshees are probaly not for me. I really cant get into that ballistic swap! (And i forget the high mount all the times) My positioning with the Atlas goes to hell with that. I dont adapt that swap easily.

But the Orions i have been since non-basic scoring 200-300 average per match. Without any modules, skills and more. It really feels like a Mini-Atlas. Same familar loadoat layout. And i think i just found the sweet heavy mech spot for me.

Sorry i have to leave the Banshees for now although i liked them. I though i would gotten more out of it. Perhaps on a later date to finish it.

Much appreciated.

Edited by Sarlic, 21 September 2015 - 12:47 AM.

[MischiefSC]

Sarlic, on 21 September 2015 - 12:24 AM, said:

Thanks MischiefSC.

Bought one Orion today. And all basic'd i do way much better then the Banshees. Which is very suprising. I though i would do better with the Banshees.

Guess the Banshees are probaly not for me. I really cant get into that ballistic swap! My positioning with the Atlas goes to hell with that. I dont adapt that swap easily.

But the Orions i have been since non-basic scoring 200-300 average per match. Without any modules, skills and more. It really feels like a Mini-Atlas. Same familar loadoat layout. And i think i just found the sweet heavy mech spot for me.

Sorry i have to leave the Banshees for now although i liked them. I though i would gotten more out of it. Perhaps on a later date to finish it.

Much appreciated.

All good. I started with saying the Orions would make you happy. Run it like an Atlas that can also move in reverse and change position

AC20, 2LLs, some SRMs. Don't run XLs. Or on the one with 2 lasers per arm, 2MLs on right arm, 2 LLs on left, no missiles. That way if you lose the AC torso you still ahve 2 LLs.

She's a good girl. I like my Orions, warts and all. It's an Atlas with more speed but less armor. If you're an Atlas jockey (I was for my first 12 months of play, at least) it'll feel good.

The Banshee.... when you hit double-basics, suddenly God Mode kicks in. Work back into it later. Play her like an Atlas at 400m. That 15 pts every 1.1 seconds (with everything going and modules, etc) is a brutal tap tap tap and the lasers are a solid compliment. At 300-400m the ACs will hit the same location as the lasers. For a mid range mech, especially against Clanners, she's a beast.

Onion? You're gonna die a lot but good games... good games will be very satisfying. You can't chase down the last few enemies in an Atlas, you can in the Orion. Especially on those guys who are already mostly chewed, they just tend to dissolve.

Have fun. I'm a big fan of promoting competitive play but that's got its own place. So does the Onion, and mah Banshee.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

Good choice.

Till this weekend, I had only one orion, Protector (2xUAC5). This mech is a MONSTER. 600-700 damage 80% of all matches.

So I decide to bring next one. I created my first ever, LRM mech - VA (unfortunatelly it cost a lot approx 18m). And I love it. (plan is 3rd - mini atlas version of V, as my next, and master this thing.
I cannot imagine how good ill perform then my protector, while basiced, im doing exteremely well in it.

So enjoy orions....

btw (once you touch Maulers, nah... youll see one day.)

[STEF_]

Sarlic, on 21 September 2015 - 12:24 AM, said:

Bought one Orion today. And all basic'd i do way much better then the Banshees. Which is very suprising. I though i would do better with the Banshees.

What??

Sarlic, try this one:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...0d2f4d7ea11460f

if u want to dakka, no ac2.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...65a4b25d77a2df6

or the classic 3ac5+4ml.

I know that you know how to use an assault.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Try this one out Sarlic.

Its not really meta, and its not a quirk chaser, but it is a hill humping sex machine.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...8af18d3d0409fbc

[Speedy Plysitkos]

I know bashees are very good performers, but imho, they lack of balistic builds. 2xAC5, 3x LPL is good damage dealer, but for me its missing something. And the answer is mauler balistic options.

[Sarlic]

Stefka Kerensky, on 21 September 2015 - 01:03 AM, said:

What??

Sarlic, try this one:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...0d2f4d7ea11460f

if u want to dakka, no ac2.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...65a4b25d77a2df6

or the classic 3ac5+4ml.

I know that you know how to use an assault.

Mister D, on 21 September 2015 - 01:13 AM, said:

Try this one out Sarlic.

Its not really meta, and its not a quirk chaser, but it is a hill humping sex machine.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...8af18d3d0409fbc

The mech is not the problem. It's me, the pilot is the problem. Haha.

Like Kiiyor said in-game: Atlas and the Orion has more side peeking and the Banshee has more top peeking.

My brain keeps farting to move to the side (because i still thinks the ballistic is located on my right) and then i lose a arm, sidetorso because i am not paying attention and utilise the mech its abilities. Really painful. And i forget to use the highmount and seperate it in weapongroups for example. Argh!

However i do like the Banshees but so far the Orions suits me as a fine Heavy!

And what i like...it's a another niche chassis! You dont see them very often!

Will save the builds.

Thanks!

Edited by Sarlic, 21 September 2015 - 01:40 AM.