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[Davers]

Mellifluer, on 20 September 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

and you in one foul swoop describe why so many people hate CW and what it has become.

no tactics except do A B and C

no mech choice except A B and C

do as i say or your a complete and utter waste of humanity


no fun

no thinking

just meta and deathblobbing

your post is bad and you should feel bad.

Or maybe his post is good and PGI should feel bad?

He could have phrased it a LOT better, and there are minor points that people can pick at, but overall he is not wrong. People can pretend that all mechs and builds are equal, but they are not. *puts on white knight helmet* At least not yet.

[Red Shrike]

I thought CW was all about the objective? If that is not the case, CW rewards need a rework.

Spheroid, on 20 September 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

Here is a list of approved meta

Locust-PB
Raven-3L
Firestarter-A/S
BJ-1X
Wolverine-6K
Wolverine-6R
Quickdraw-5K
Dragon-1N
Jager-DD
Thundergod-5SS
Thundergod-9SE
Banshee-3M
Atlas-DDC

And I own none of those mechs.
Edit: Who decides what is "approved" and what isn't?

I just run with what I think is fun. If that does not include any meta, I won't lose any sleep over it.

Edited by Timberwolf581, 20 September 2015 - 04:13 PM.

[Davers]

Timberwolf581, on 20 September 2015 - 04:12 PM, said:

I thought CW was all about the objective? If that is not the case, CW rewards need a rework.


And I own none of those mechs.
Edit: Who decides what is "approved" and what isn't?

I just run with what I think is fun. If that does not include any meta, I won't lose any sleep over it.

Do you have any IS mechs?

[Novakaine]

Do these builds count?
Probably not, hence why I rarely bother with CW.
Too many mega l33t tryhards for my taste.
And I'm sure I'm not alone.

[Davers]

Novakaine, on 20 September 2015 - 04:34 PM, said:

Do these builds count?
Probably not, hence why I rarely bother with CW.
Too many mega l33t tryhards for my taste.
And I'm sure I'm not alone.

I sense a great disturbance in the force, as if many LRMs shot out and hit a hillside...

[Peenutts]

I wish to thank you for this post. The more posts like these I read about CW makes me feel better about my decision to not ever play that game mode.
Good luck getting more and more people to even try CW if you are the type of person who plays and these are the "rules" you have to follow.

Cheers

[RussianWolf]

MischiefSC, on 20 September 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

Real Warfare rewards doing what wins and brutally punishes making bad mistakes.

It's why there are schools on the subject. If you are a tactical genius and can design strategies superior to what all the people currently winning in cw are doing then do so.

That's not what's being discussed here though. Bringing bad mechs, splitting up, making unwise choices and saying that's should be 'as good' as doing what wins is just goofy.

Make a strategy that wins consistently and you'll change the meta. We'll happily add it to the tool box of strats that consistently perform. Being bad,taking bad builds and getting farmed isn't the result of anyone being mean to you. It is absolutely the result of the intentional decision to do what fails instead of what wins.

hence why this is a game.

[Col Jaime Wolf]

MischiefSC, on 20 September 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

Real Warfare rewards doing what wins and brutally punishes making bad mistakes.

It's why there are schools on the subject. If you are a tactical genius and can design strategies superior to what all the people currently winning in cw are doing then do so.

That's not what's being discussed here though. Bringing bad mechs, splitting up, making unwise choices and saying that's should be 'as good' as doing what wins is just goofy.

Make a strategy that wins consistently and you'll change the meta. We'll happily add it to the tool box of strats that consistently perform. Being bad,taking bad builds and getting farmed isn't the result of anyone being mean to you. It is absolutely the result of the intentional decision to do what fails instead of what wins.

exactly how are tactics to evolve or be countered when whole groups of weapons are automically obsolete? that was my point, how air power obsoleted surface ships for almost 40 years and how guided munitions obsoleted any tank without electronics and AA missles.

with so few weapons choices CW tactics will stay stagnent and no genius can work around this.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Get into a MC where you practice as a 12 man unit, and dont pug.

[Goose]

Mellifluer, on 20 September 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

just meta and deathblobbing

You need to be this tall to play CW.


















By "This Tall," we mean Tire 2.

[RussianWolf]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 20 September 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:

Get into a MC where you practice as a 12 man unit, and dont pug.

Practice????? for a game that's supposed to be for fun and relaxation.... bwahahahahhahahahhahaha

[Burktross]

Mellifluer, on 20 September 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

and you in one foul swoop describe why so many people hate CW and what it has become.

no tactics except do A B and C

no mech choice except A B and C

do as i say or your a complete and utter waste of humanity


no fun

no thinking

just meta and deathblobbing

your post is bad and you should feel bad.

Quoted for truth.

[MischiefSC]

I find it funny how many people use terms like "l33t tryhard " like an insult. Yeah, if nobody actually put any effort into doing well at anything than people who don't want to risk losing and thus avoid trying wouldn't be confronted with the realities of effort vs non-effort.

The difference between "this is what I enjoy" and "this is what I do because it's what I always do and is thus more comfortable" is narrow to non-existant for some people. For others getting better at things and doing them well is what is fun. Saying that people who have fun by getting better at whatever they do are somehow bad people.....

Yeah. Doing well is fun. Putting effort into getting good at something is fun. Winning, which is being successful, is fun. As with anything success is a measurable, quantifiable thing that can be studied and repeated. I would wager that everyone saying they hate meta probably runs about the same number of mechs and builds again and again as the "meta" people do. It's not about variety, it's about comfort level and willingness to accept the risks inherent in competition and finding that fun.

[oldradagast]

Squirg, on 20 September 2015 - 03:04 PM, said:

Here we see a fine specimen from CW. As you can see, the slow death of it's habitat has driven him to near madness, and he comes to General Discussion seeking new sustenance.

It's all so "confusing." We were told so many times that seal-clubbing was a vital part of the "skill" of CW, and how all the "bads" would suddenly want to join a unit, sell all their non-meta mechs, and do nothing but practice CW hour after hour once they got stomped hard enough. Or, maybe they all wandered off to the general queue or to other games, leaving foaming tryhards looking for fresh meat? Hmmm...

That being said, the OP's post is a perfect example why CW is a horrible, mindless, and stale format. Bring one of a few select mech builds and do the same thing (including ignoring the "objectives") over and over again. Fun?!

[Burktross]

MischiefSC, on 20 September 2015 - 05:04 PM, said:

I find it funny how many people use terms like "l33t tryhard " like an insult. Yeah, if nobody actually put any effort into doing well at anything than people who don't want to risk losing and thus avoid trying wouldn't be confronted with the realities of effort vs non-effort.

The difference between "this is what I enjoy" and "this is what I do because it's what I always do and is thus more comfortable" is narrow to non-existant for some people. For others getting better at things and doing them well is what is fun. Saying that people who have fun by getting better at whatever they do are somehow bad people.....

Yeah. Doing well is fun. Putting effort into getting good at something is fun. Winning, which is being successful, is fun. As with anything success is a measurable, quantifiable thing that can be studied and repeated. I would wager that everyone saying they hate meta probably runs about the same number of mechs and builds again and again as the "meta" people do. It's not about variety, it's about comfort level and willingness to accept the risks inherent in competition and finding that fun.

The term tryhard exists because some people eschew actual fun in gameplay for fun in epeen enlargement.

[oldradagast]

RussianWolf, on 20 September 2015 - 05:00 PM, said:

Practice????? for a game that's supposed to be for fun and relaxation.... bwahahahahhahahahhahaha

It is funny. Some people get sucked up into games and they become obsessions. Others have a pathological need to prove their superiority at everything from video games to tabletop RPG's, to blowing their nose. Everything is a contest, and they have to be "the best" at everything. I've found such people intolerable to be around for any length of time because they are miserable creatures who will turn everything into epeen competition. And there's no shortage of that in CW.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

RussianWolf, on 20 September 2015 - 05:00 PM, said:

Practice????? for a game that's supposed to be for fun and relaxation.... bwahahahahhahahahhahaha

CW is supposed to be hard mode - dont flame me; Im quoting the devs

[oldradagast]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 20 September 2015 - 05:09 PM, said:

CW is supposed to be hard mode - dont flame me; Im quoting the devs

If large teams rofl-stomping random PUG's wasn't a key part of CW, I'd be more inclined to believe them. Any game mode that hands out wins for higher-level players by pitting them against far less coordinated and skilled opponents is not "hard mode" - it's "epeen mode" or "tryhard mode."

[Zordicron]

Yeah I dunno. I haven't played CW since before the last HSR patch, whenever that was anymore.

Last event before that, and really since it started, my CW deck has been

T-bolt with 3 ERPPC, yes still even though the quirks were toned down, and yes, even on the hot maps
Firebrand, 2ppc and AC10, with 2 ML
CTF 1x with LPL and ML.

Last mech, depended on the IS tonnage limit, I ran an Enforcer with 2x UAC5's for a bit, I think I ran Huggin for a little, I ran ECM Cicada. I also swapped out the CTF 1x for a freegin IV4 for a bit.

I did just fine, as a pug, vs whatever including 10-12 mans EXCEPT for the matches where tryhards got scared and did Gen rushes or spawn camped to shut us down after the first wave met more resistance then they thought. The only thing Meta about my mechs, was initially the TDR(I don't consider it that meta anymore especially since I don't remove it for hot maps) and I have modules equipped for them. True, they are all mastered, but I have like, I dunno, 120 mastered mechs? So it's not like I didn't have other choices(including all the "meta list")

I don;t play CW, because:
1- I hate the wait times for a match as a pug
2- I get nauseated by the ggclose crowd and their "tactics" when they spawn camp etc after I just got done waiting 20 minutes to get into a match. Personal performance aside, anything tryhards justify with the use of "blame PGI not the players" tends to make me nerdrage at the sheer sociopathic behavior of these players.

CW is empty, because PGI has catered to the troll crowd of l33t tryhards. It resembles, almost identical even, the 12 man group cue from back when. Empty, because no one wanted to deal with the toxic atmosphere then either.

[Zordicron]

MischiefSC, on 20 September 2015 - 05:04 PM, said:

I find it funny how many people use terms like "l33t tryhard " like an insult. Yeah, if nobody actually put any effort into doing well at anything than people who don't want to risk losing and thus avoid trying wouldn't be confronted with the realities of effort vs non-effort.

The difference between "this is what I enjoy" and "this is what I do because it's what I always do and is thus more comfortable" is narrow to non-existant for some people. For others getting better at things and doing them well is what is fun. Saying that people who have fun by getting better at whatever they do are somehow bad people.....

Yeah. Doing well is fun. Putting effort into getting good at something is fun. Winning, which is being successful, is fun. As with anything success is a measurable, quantifiable thing that can be studied and repeated. I would wager that everyone saying they hate meta probably runs about the same number of mechs and builds again and again as the "meta" people do. It's not about variety, it's about comfort level and willingness to accept the risks inherent in competition and finding that fun.

heh, I just used l33t and tryhard in my post. But I don't use it to refer to the people that enjoy competition, want to improve and be the best exclusively, I use it for the much smaller segment of that same group, that ALSO finds it impossible to play without doing all of those things, PLUS gloat/belittle/insult/etc the "enemy" and in general comes off as someone who never played any sport at any age with any type of social group of any sort their entire lives.

Sportsmanship, l33t tryhards don't know about it. Players that love the competition, want to be the best at something, they are not all l33t tryhards, but some certainly are.