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#61 Kmieciu

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 01:06 AM

View PostSpheroid, on 20 September 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:


Here is a list of approved meta

Locust-PB
Raven-3L
Firestarter-A/S
BJ-1X
Wolverine-6K
Wolverine-6R
Quickdraw-5K
Dragon-1N
Jager-DD
Thundergod-5SS
Thundergod-9SE
Banshee-3M
Atlas-DDC


Instead of relying on gimmicks (Atlas+Locust), just bring 3xTDR + 1xWLV-6K.
Dragon is too fragile and easy to disarm. Only useful against clan-trial-noobs. Jager-DD is simply so much better. Stalker 4N is perfect for the first drop, especially on defense. BJ "stone cold killah" 1X is a fair match against a Stormcrow.

Personally, I find the CW boring. Solo&group queue are vastly more satisfying due to movement and strategies. CW is an endless battle of attrition: lots of poking, then a push.

Edited by Kmieciu, 21 September 2015 - 01:08 AM.


#62 STEF_

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 01:29 AM

View PostSpheroid, on 20 September 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:



Here is a list of approved meta

Locust-PB
Raven-3L
Firestarter-A/S
BJ-1X
Wolverine-6K
Wolverine-6R
Quickdraw-5K
Dragon-1N
Jager-DD
Thundergod-5SS
Thundergod-9SE
Banshee-3M
Atlas-DDC

FIX for ya

no Stalker?
No Battlemaster?

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 21 September 2015 - 01:29 AM.


#63 Speedy Plysitkos

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 01:43 AM

TLDR. noobs ? k then, you must be tier1.

#64 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 01:59 AM

View PostRussianWolf, on 20 September 2015 - 05:00 PM, said:


Practice????? for a game that's supposed to be for fun and relaxation.... bwahahahahhahahahhahaha

Yes, Practice. This doesn't mean you gotta "Train" But know how to play the game.

#65 Mudhutwarrior

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 02:04 AM

I don't know but one of the last guys who thought win at any cost lost his balls. Probably had none to begin with.

#66 ThisMachineKillsFascists

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 02:11 AM

View PostJoseph Mallan, on 21 September 2015 - 01:59 AM, said:

Yes, Practice. This doesn't mean you gotta "Train" But know how to play the game.

Nah, if you have fun you anyways play the game with passion. If you are not dumb you ll learn automaticly. Theres no need to practice in that term. Play have fun , no but if

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 21 September 2015 - 02:14 AM.


#67 Paigan

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 02:18 AM

View PostSpheroid, on 20 September 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

[...tactically reasonable arguments and experience...]

100% approval.

(apart from the usual MWO error of not knowing what meta actually means)

#68 Joseph Mallan

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 02:21 AM

View PostThisMachineKillsFascists, on 21 September 2015 - 02:11 AM, said:

Nah, if you have fun you anyways play the game with passion. If you are not dumb you ll learn automaticly. Theres no need to practice in that term. Play have fun , no but if

however playing is practicing and practicing is playing. However, you need to play with the same group of players to actually gain anything.

#69 Manei Domini Krigg

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 02:27 AM

My most usable mechs

Long 700-1700 m
Battlemaster 1S http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a055b90d0945bad
Thunderbolt 5SS http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c93c570074d7648

Mid 400-1000 m
Stalker 4N http://mwo.smurfy-ne...c7708484fa2d93d
Thunderbolt 5S http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4248564a1cb34e3
Wolverine 6K http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9815827c7fe0cbf

Close 0-500 m
Catafract 1X http://mwo.smurfy-ne...1f3f530dab52709
Catafract 0XP http://mwo.smurfy-ne...979a0661427db86
Thunderbolt 5SS http://mwo.smurfy-ne...195b31fc440a8d8
Hunchback 4G http://mwo.smurfy-ne...87fc1bc423f91ed
Blackjack 1X http://mwo.smurfy-ne...a56d6efb5774a56

Posted Image

Edited by Krigg, 21 September 2015 - 02:48 AM.


#70 Mycrus

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 02:43 AM

View PostSpheroid, on 20 September 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

I have a seen a truly awful level of skill in CW this weekend. The only chance you have to not get rolled is to not play like a moron and bring meta.

The key to CW is rapid forced attrition. Nothing else. Anyone who worries about omega or the gens is hurting their team. Anyone who is a sniper or scout is likewise most likely hurting their team. Each wave must combat their opposite number and quickly gain an advantage. This is not a game of individual heroics, the wave must act as a single unit. Collectively or locally all members must gain numerical superiority and win tactical attrition. All flanking, all maneureving is to this end.

Do you ever why a single disconnect often guarantees defeat? The focus fire equation of incoming vs. outgoing fire is extremely sensitive. A mixed first wave that is not all heavies or assaults is likewise unbalanced. A single light contributes nothing to the outgoing fire even if helps divide the incoming fire by 1/12th. Mixed waves are also bad because the blob can only move as fast as its slowest member lest it weaken the focus fire equation.

And quite frankly assaults are too slow for what they bring. The Stalker is too slow, the Atlas is too slow. Only the Banshee-3M has the ability to bring good firepower at speed. The King Crab can bring very dangerous long range builds, but a high degree of team coordination is needed to make it work. The Thundergod can bring nearly as much or more firepower and move much faster so why even bother with fatties?

As for weapons, laser vomit is king for obvious reasons. Lurms are garbage, ballistics require face time, srms are bad hit reg and limited range and AC-20s are heavy and too slow. PPCs are hot slow and heavy. Gauss is good but heavy. Pulse laser vomit puts out incredible alpha that duration wise approaches that of pure pinpoint in actual combat. Also as hitscan weapons no leading or convergence issues are present.


As for mechs. I never want to see any of following ever. Leave your hero mechs at home. They nearly universally perform worse than standard variants. Hyper quirked standard variants end up performing better and consequently earn more money.

Commando
Vindicator
Trebuchet
Kintaro
Catapult
Victor


Here is a list of approved meta

Locust-PB
Raven-3L
Firestarter-A/S
BJ-1X
Wolverine-6K
Wolverine-6R
Quickdraw-5K
Dragon-1N
Jager-DD
Thundergod-5SS
Thundergod-9SE
Banshee-3M
Atlas-DDC


As for Clanners don't bring stock Myst Lynxes or Stormcrow-C( or Gargoyle-Prime). If I see you are bringing bad builds you are going to die.


Playing CW?

U keed right?

#71 Speedy Plysitkos

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 02:52 AM

Krigg. how many hrs, that costed ?

I mean, the all green....

#72 Manei Domini Krigg

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 02:58 AM

View PostTitannium, on 21 September 2015 - 02:52 AM, said:

Krigg. how many hrs, that costed ?

I mean, the all green....

Some near 15-17 hours.

Edited by Krigg, 21 September 2015 - 02:59 AM.


#73 anonymous161

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 03:00 AM

All I got out of spheroid is that he is a jack ass. Nothing more. He is a 36 year old jack ass who is probably single and unsuccessful in life and can only blame himself but of course online he is all knowing and badass.

#74 JC Daxion

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 02:20 PM

View PostMischiefSC, on 20 September 2015 - 09:48 PM, said:

Unless you find winning fun.

Or find adapting to changes in order to win, fun.

Or find just doing better than before instead of just recycling whatever you've always done, fun.

Nobody wants balance more than competitive players - more balance means a lot more leeway to tweak/twist the meta to new advantages and surprises. Getting surprised can be a lot of fun, seeing new ways of doing stuff is a lot of fun.

Nobody is against balance here. That's for the 'Clans Should Be OP' people. Everyone else is for balance.

Right now though some things are better than others. Significantly. Play what you want - but if what you're playing is flat out, by its design, inferior to something else you've got absolutely no basis for being upset with people who are playing what is better.




I agree with this as a whole.. pretty much.. But i never am the one complaining about how my mech's or weapons suck, or ranting when something changes, or gets the so called Nerf..

And yea, some of my favorite mechs are listed as mechs to never play, and ya know what.. that is why i play in pugs. As often, a good player in a sub par mech, is better than a good mech not played well. And honestly that is what many people do. I log in a few hours, and play some matches and have fun. if matches are rolling right, i keep playing. If im having a bad time, i'll log out and play something else.


But honestly, more often than not my matches are close.. sure i've been on either side of a roll, but more often than not in the PUG world, games are pretty close till the end.. and i've seen many matches where one side was down and came back for the win.

Granted the first weekend of PSR this was not the case.. i must of got shoved into a top teir, because all i saw was meta mechs.. But after one evening of getting drilled from 800m+ and cored in a second.. i found my people, and ended up getting back into the fun games..

I'm a middle of the road player, that has fun.. Just the way i like it.. ;)



View PostTitannium, on 21 September 2015 - 02:52 AM, said:

Krigg. how many hrs, that costed ?

I mean, the all green....



wow... Props.. I didn't even bother with it this weekend, though i should of.. because my going out, and football time sucked! I'd of been better off trying to play the event :P

Edited by JC Daxion, 21 September 2015 - 02:26 PM.


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Posted 21 September 2015 - 02:37 PM

View PostMellifluer, on 20 September 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

no tactics except do A B and C


I think you are confusing the need to use tactics and ploughing over those you do not need to use tactics against.
Tactics are useless unless you are good, working as a team, and driving a mech that does not hold its own weight.

Get angry at PGI for having mechs that do not hold their own comapratively.
Also they warned that, for now, CW is geared towards unit players.

#76 AlphaToaster

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 03:05 PM

@OP

You forgot the GRF-2N (55 tonner w/ ECM)

I have 2 in my deck.

#77 Vlad Ward

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 04:07 PM

No. He didn't.

Though Stefka did a solid job correcting his list.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 21 September 2015 - 04:07 PM.


#78 Coolant

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 05:05 PM

I'm quite sure that calling anyone noob will have exactly the effect on whatever point you are suggesting just like you think it would...they won't play CW. So good job making CW more of a ghost town...and way to wag your epeen.

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 06:53 PM

OP, You know that spoon full of honey tip.... Well heed it.

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Posted 21 September 2015 - 07:19 PM

Wait a minute. The Devs worked tirelessly to make CW about blowing up an Orbital Cannon or Not. Now you say all that terrain sculpting and barricading to defend the Cannon is being ignored? Well no wonder new players are confused.

However, I think that is what is wrong with CW. It forces that team vs team brawl and has nothing to do with MechWarrior or blowing up the Orbital Cannon. It's all about spawn camping the base by one team or the other for da win. CW should just be Search and Destroy mechs and assets or Capture the Mech Factory by both teams. That reinforces "Normal" MechWarrior game skills.





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