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[Flaming oblivion]

Relax guys everyone knows what CW is, It is why its slowly dying , Let it R.I.P .

It isn't worth the attention its already a dead mode.

Edited by Flaming oblivion, 20 September 2015 - 05:35 PM.

[RussianWolf]

MischiefSC, on 20 September 2015 - 05:04 PM, said:

I find it funny how many people use terms like "l33t tryhard " like an insult. Yeah, if nobody actually put any effort into doing well at anything than people who don't want to risk losing and thus avoid trying wouldn't be confronted with the realities of effort vs non-effort.

The difference between "this is what I enjoy" and "this is what I do because it's what I always do and is thus more comfortable" is narrow to non-existant for some people. For others getting better at things and doing them well is what is fun. Saying that people who have fun by getting better at whatever they do are somehow bad people.....

Yeah. Doing well is fun. Putting effort into getting good at something is fun. Winning, which is being successful, is fun. As with anything success is a measurable, quantifiable thing that can be studied and repeated. I would wager that everyone saying they hate meta probably runs about the same number of mechs and builds again and again as the "meta" people do. It's not about variety, it's about comfort level and willingness to accept the risks inherent in competition and finding that fun.

I feel the same way when people use terms like "noob" as tyhe OP included in his title. For me, he lost all respect and credibility at that point.

[Spheroid]

^The inflammatory rhetoric is highly effective. This topic is on its third page and still near the top of GD, hence more likely to be read.

How would being more ambassadorial accomplish spreading the content at a faster pace? Time is of the essence, this event ends Tuesday not all players have finished CW tier 2.

Let me make it perfectly clear I am being forced to solo drop and the bads are making it difficult to reach 300. Therefore it is MY best interest that the percentage of terribads decrese. It is beneficial for them as well.

Edited by Spheroid, 20 September 2015 - 06:01 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Spheroid, on 20 September 2015 - 05:52 PM, said:

Let me make it perfectly clear I being forced to solo drop and the bads are making it difficult to reach 300. Therefore it is MY best interest that the percentage of terribads decrese. It is beneficial for them as well.

Not really. If the overall % of terribads is less, you also end up fighting less terribads but also having to compete against your own team more.

[Spheroid]

^But there are more premades on the clan front. Just look at the current queue. IS defenders outnumber clan attackers by a wide margin. Don't you think I would be attacking if I had a group?

Edited by Spheroid, 20 September 2015 - 06:04 PM.

[Vlad Ward]

oldradagast, on 20 September 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

It is funny. Some people get sucked up into games and they become obsessions.

Not even remotely limited to "tryhards". You would not believe how many "The 1 Percent" titles I see in new account Tier 4 games.

Side note: I don't even have that achievement on my main.

oldradagast, on 20 September 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

Others have a pathological need to prove their superiority at everything from video games to tabletop RPG's, to blowing their nose. Everything is a contest, and they have to be "the best" at everything.

Most of the people who actually exhibit these traits outside of certain invented narratives quit MWO ages ago due to severe lack of give-a-**** after proving their superiority rather thoroughly.

oldradagast, on 20 September 2015 - 05:08 PM, said:

I've found such people intolerable to be around for any length of time because they are miserable creatures who will turn everything into epeen competition. And there's no shortage of that in CW.

eh. I see a lot more people moaning about tryhards and turning every encounter with them into an absolutely miserable experience than actual tryhards rubbing my face in a loss.

[Ghogiel]

Spheroid, on 20 September 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

^But there are more premades on the clan front.

Sauce?

And what clan? Factions matter for attacks as you can only join attacks from your own faction. Your faction specifically had BMMU in a large group farming CW just a couple hours ago.

[RavenKnight86]

This is the reason I don't play CW and why if I want to level a Mech that I will solo. Both group queue (at higher levels) and CW is basically bring the most meta cheese you can and win or go home. My hunchbacks all have permaneant sad face nowadays.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

oldradagast, on 20 September 2015 - 05:10 PM, said:

If large teams rofl-stomping random PUG's wasn't a key part of CW, I'd be more inclined to believe them.

They made it that way on purpose. Its roflmao worthy logic but ...yea

[JC Daxion]

Sounds like someone had a bad weekend during an event.. I know shocking!


But You know how it is, Want a higher level of play, group drop. In PUGs, Not everyone is going to be good, Or want to play the metas. Some people have bad aim, some people have low frame rates, Others are just messing around having fun.. It's just how it is.. And honestly, it's a game, and as long as people aren't being jerks, Fun is what you make of it.


Personally i wish more people played non-meta.. Certainly makes matches more fun than fighting the same mechs, and same builds all day long.. One reason why many don't even bother with CW in the first place.


But as for slow assaults in CW, Just drop in um first.. Going in is always easiest to group up and go.. you just hit the base a tiny bit later. then drop in your lower weight/faster mechs.

the mech list.. Ok.. i guess that's the meta now.. I wonder what the list will be in 3 months..

MischiefSC, on 20 September 2015 - 05:04 PM, said:

Yeah. Doing well is fun. Putting effort into getting good at something is fun. Winning, which is being successful, is fun. As with anything success is a measurable, quantifiable thing that can be studied and repeated. I would wager that everyone saying they hate meta probably runs about the same number of mechs and builds again and again as the "meta" people do. It's not about variety, it's about comfort level and willingness to accept the risks inherent in competition and finding that fun.

I certainly would not go that far.. there are tons of people that love playing mechs with LRM's, machine guns, AC-10's LBX10's, streaks.. ECT.. the play mechs they like, verse what the popular flavors of the month or 3-4 month stretch.. they play the mechs they like, and have through all the changes over the last bunch of years..

The reason why people say they hate meta, is because meta is basically the power gaming exploit way to play. And by exploit, i mean only play the highest powered builds, or what is highest at that given time. As soon as it changes they all go and swap to the latest..

What most people want is balance, and even if it's not their yet, They don't care, and will keep playing what they find fun, or do well in. There is a huge class of folks that play for fun, and are casual. The clash is when the casuals get in with the people that want to compete. And that's when all the name calling, and rage starts.

A few mechs i play fit the idea of meta,, mainly because energy boats are the new meta.. But when missiles come back around, or ac's or what ever, i'm sure a few of my others will fit the new meta, and people will pine for the days of laser vomit...

Edited by JC Daxion, 20 September 2015 - 08:00 PM.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Flaming oblivion, on 20 September 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

Relax guys everyone knows what CW is, It is why its slowly dying , Let it R.I.P .

It isn't worth the attention its already a dead mode.

amen

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

JC Daxion, on 20 September 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

What most people want is balance, and even if it's not their yet, They don't care, and will keep playing what they find fun, or do well in. There is a huge class of folks that play for fun, and are casual. T

FUn is op and should be nerfed. I call the fun police


MUST WIN MUST WIN MUST BE BEST

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 20 September 2015 - 09:39 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Unless you find winning fun.

Or find adapting to changes in order to win, fun.

Or find just doing better than before instead of just recycling whatever you've always done, fun.

Nobody wants balance more than competitive players - more balance means a lot more leeway to tweak/twist the meta to new advantages and surprises. Getting surprised can be a lot of fun, seeing new ways of doing stuff is a lot of fun.

Nobody is against balance here. That's for the 'Clans Should Be OP' people. Everyone else is for balance.

Right now though some things are better than others. Significantly. Play what you want - but if what you're playing is flat out, by its design, inferior to something else you've got absolutely no basis for being upset with people who are playing what is better.

[MechWarrior3671771]

CW? What's that?

[Rushmoar]

Spheroid, on 20 September 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

I have a seen a truly awful level of skill in CW this weekend. The only chance you have to not get rolled is to not play like a moron and bring meta.

There is no PSR in CW. Let me say it again, there is no PSR in CW. Get off your high horse and just help your team when you play. 12 rookies can be matched up against 12 top tier player in CW. Thats just how it is goes. If you can't handle that then play with a better group or just hang out in the public ques.

The level of your entitlement is pretty high here. Who are you to tell anyone how to play or how to enjoy the game. You have your experience, they have theirs. If someone wants to play their hero then play your hero. Don't listen to anyone who tells you how to play. Go play a single player game if you want complete control over your gaming experience. If you want to help then make a pure guide to CW. Put in suggestions and meaningful information, leave the absolutes out.

[TyphonCh]

Well I'm glad someone posted the approved Meta on these forums!!! Thank you, Oh Glorious One, we shall ride our Pirates Banes' to victory.
Why don't you go all out and write us up a full walkthrough on how, and how not to play CW? I want 3 pages, double sided single spaced, due Tuesday morning. Modules, armor values, ect. Tell us simple minded morons how to play.
I'm sure you know everything there is to know about having fun in a videogame. Why don't you post this in the CW forum? Or better yet, the New Player forum, where I'm sure it will be put to good use.

This is the biggest dirt bag thread I've seen in a long time.

Spheroid, on 20 September 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

Leave your hero mechs at home.
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Here is a list of approved meta

Locust-PB

I laughed hardest at that...

Edited by Team Chevy86, 20 September 2015 - 10:34 PM.

[Red Shrike]

Davers, on 20 September 2015 - 04:22 PM, said:

Do you have any IS mechs?

I do.

LCT-3M
LCT-3S
LCT-1V(P)
RVN-4X
SHD-2H(P)
TDR-5S(P)
AS7-S(L)
BLR-1G(P)
KGC-000(L)

[KuroNyra]

Spheroid, on 20 September 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

I guess everyone is mad at me. I am describing what I see this weekend and its effects. How about rebutting the premise and not the sentiment?

You don't seem to understand.

CW require some knowledge yes. But you cannot force a player to bring Loadout A or B or Mech A or B.
If people want to bring only centurions with MG and Flamers, they have the right too. (Heck, I brought my Mist Lynx in CW, and managed to score 5 kill with it! -was my last mech-)

Timberwolf581, on 20 September 2015 - 11:27 PM, said:

I do.

LCT-3M
LCT-3S
LCT-1V(P)
RVN-4X
SHD-2H(P)
TDR-5S(P)
AS7-S(L)
BLR-1G(P)
KGC-000(L)

First: I love your signature.

Second: You REALLY should get a Stalker 4N.
Believe me, you will be amazed by what that T-Rex can do!

[FlipOver]

This is interesting...

When people don't play CW the topic around are:
"Is CW dead?"
"Solutions for CW"
"CW is ****"

When comes a tournament to give CW a bit of live then all we see is:
"Blah blah blah META META"

Come on people! Can't you be any different and for once enjoy the extra firepower and lower waiting times on CW?

And don't come talking about competitive mindset and whatnot, because without players there is no way to have competition.

Some suck, some have to take trials... live with it and enjoy the darn game.

[V O L T R O N]

Locust 1e is meta, not PB. Neither is the ddc. Then if you are just saying because of ECM add all the other ones.

The meta for clans is also individual. You have laser vomit for timber, streakcrow, 4 meds and gauss for hellbringer. They gave them quirks as well. Some.

Telling people not to suck is childish man. They dont have control over that.