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[MischiefSC]

It's not hard to understand. Do something bad, there are consequences. Expecting them to be waived because you were too weak to deal with playing a game that didn't give you what you wanted fast enough....

when you mess up there are consequences. That's not unreasonable. Especially when the mistake involved shafting other people.

[crashlogic]

Vlad Ward, on 21 September 2015 - 05:12 PM, said:

Like, I get why people did this. But they shouldn't be surprised by a punishment of some sort. A light suspension is no big deal, and I'd imagine it was 'worth it' for the people most heavily abusing this. So what's the harm?

It's not like anyone's getting banned, either. This was a huge, chronic problem for this event. Suspensions are a fair way of dealing with the most egregious offenders. It's proportional.

Sure, you'll always have the occasional mouth breather who insists that anyone using the MW2 sound pack be permabanned, but they're not the ones making decisions. There's no real point in arguing with them, or insisting that "all's fair because design."

How about a warning to the community first? How bout an acknowledgement of complicity on PGI's part? Maybe they should say "Mechwarriors, the event did not go as smoothly as we imagined. We know the map rotation was a problem that frustrates many players so we lowered the damage threshold so that hopefully more people will be able to complete the tournamnet. We know explotations have been a problem and we know that DC's and other game play that punishes your teammates has been a problem. So starting as of this notice, any DC's reported will be punished with a light suspension, repeated events will be more severely punished."
Oh and for Damien: "Please accept a base marauder and free mechbay as a token of our apology and promise that events in the future will be cancelled or postponed if technical difficulties prevent proper fucntioning?"
See PGI could make a statement about conduct, and acknowledge their role in creating this issue, and let things move on.

MischiefSC, on 21 September 2015 - 05:33 PM, said:

It's not hard to understand. Do something bad, there are consequences. Expecting them to be waived because you were too weak to deal with playing a game that didn't give you what you wanted fast enough....

when you mess up there are consequences. That's not unreasonable. Especially when the mistake involved shafting other people.

Who holds PGI accountable? How are they punished?

Damien Tokala, on 21 September 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:

You pretty much are, this is a game, the rules were laid out, and they were then broken by people who refused to play by the rules. We're not asking pgi to go shoot these people, we're asking they be punished more sternly.

No you asking them to be banned from the game. Well allright, suspended....

Edited by crashlogic, 21 September 2015 - 05:40 PM.

[Damien Tokala]

Which is an appropriate punishment.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 05:22 PM, said:

So we should strictly enforece the TOS at all times? How about the clause in the TOS against personal attacks in the forums?

Given the number of times IVE been banned or put on moderator approval for things other ppl dont get even a stern talking to for then HELL YES we should. That this **** ISNT enforced in an even handed manner REALLY pisses me off.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Damien Tokala, on 21 September 2015 - 05:39 PM, said:

Which is an appropriate punishment.

I've already replied in regards to the punishment:

Perhaps we could construct some sort of elaborate spanking machine. Given your perchance for discipline PGI could hire you to use it upon all the "children" in the community.

Likewise as was rightly pointed out discussing disciplinary action is also against the TOS which means PGI will have to deploy the spanking machine upon you as well. They are going to discipline you so hard you might begin to like it.

So since this is technically against the TOS as was recently clarified by PGI perhaps we let this thread die? After all, I would hate for you to be disciplined.

[Vlad Ward]

crashlogic, on 21 September 2015 - 05:36 PM, said:

How about a warning to the community first? How bout an acknowledgement of complicity on PGI's part? Maybe they should say "Mechwarriors, the event did not go as smoothly as we imagined. We know the map rotation was a problem that frustrates many players so we lowered the damage threshold so that hopefully more people will be able to complete the tournamnet. We know explotations have been a problem and we know that DC's and other game play that punishes your teammates has been a problem. So starting as of this notice, any DC's reported will be punished with a light suspension, repeated events will be more severely punished."
Oh and for Damien: "Please accept a base marauder and free mechbay as a token of our apology and promise that events in the future will be cancelled or postponed if technical difficulties prevent proper fucntioning?"
See PGI could make a statement about conduct, and acknowledge their role in creating this issue, and let things move on.


Who holds PGI accountable? How are they punished?

It's not like anyone doing this was under some sort of mistaken assumption that it couldn't get them in trouble - not unless they're completely delusional, that is.

It's like speeding. Go 5 over? No one cares, not even the cops, unless you happen to run into that one really stressed out officer on the day after his wife served him papers. Go 10 over on the freeway? Some may care. Some won't. You're rolling the dice. Go 60 in a 25? Yeah you're gonna get pulled over, and probably aren't getting let off with a warning. Is the cop required to give you a warning? No. Do some do it, sometimes, when they feel like it? Sure. It's all a dice roll. You choose what you want to risk.

And in this case, the "speeding ticket" is a light suspension. It's a slap on the wrist. It's action with purely temporary consequences. If anyone's really gonna get upset about that, they can get the **** over it.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 21 September 2015 - 05:45 PM.

[Yokaiko]

One of these days I'm going to post up all of the silliness that I have been forum banned for its pretty funny.

[crashlogic]

Damien Tokala, on 21 September 2015 - 05:39 PM, said:

Which is an appropriate punishment.

In this case, for this event, I disagree. PGI dropped the ball, and needs to take the heat.
I am not sure DC's are suspendable on first offense even in the TOS? Does anyone know?

[Vlad Ward]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 September 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

Given the number of times IVE been banned or put on moderator approval for things other ppl dont get even a stern talking to for then HELL YES we should. That this **** ISNT enforced in an even handed manner REALLY pisses me off.

You should know by now that MWO forum moderation is 100% reactive and the only way to get anyone in trouble is to report them.

If you're getting warned a lot, maybe you've attracted too many "fans".

[Not A Real RAbbi]

So, how about BOTH?

PGI had to know that some players would DC or suicide to get the maps they 'need'. PRNG being what it is, this is an already frustrating situation for many players.

ON THE OTHER F***ING HAND, players who do so are playing blue falcon to the other 11 players on their teams. "Having a hard time getting 400+ here on Caustic? Cool story, bro. Try it one mech shorthanded!" That's the future spokesperson for Summer's Eve right there.

Neither is innocent in this.

But it is a F***ING VIDEO GAME! That is all it is. If it causes you any real anguish, put it down and go do something useful outdoors for a few days. Or take up knitting. Adopt a pit bull. Whatever.

The lords of vinegar & water will still be here when you've had your Snickers and are acting like yourself again.

[Yokaiko]

PGI released a technically broken event, right from the start.

1) So instead of fixing it, they let it ride
2) THEN they were smashed over the head with how easy it was to game, let that ride also
3) THEN they were presented with the everything that is wrong.


.......and are suspending players?

Not blank it, fix it an try it again.

Hilarious.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 21 September 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

Given the number of times IVE been banned or put on moderator approval for things other ppl dont get even a stern talking to for then HELL YES we should. That this **** ISNT enforced in an even handed manner REALLY pisses me off.

Well, in the world of online video gaming things are subjective, and there is always the danger people will simply decide to hell with this game and move onto something else (me and 3/4 of my units are already nearly there). I did not DC once in any of my games this weekend but that doesn't really mean I need to be focused upon someone else.

Why should I be petty enough to be so focused upon harming or disciplining someone else? Seems like you are ruining your own day.

Likewise it sounds like the devs are planning on doing this moving forward so if you are obsessed with trying to discipline people like little boy tattling on his siblings you are probably going to be disappointed.

Edited by Blueduck, 21 September 2015 - 05:47 PM.

[Novakaine]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

Perhaps we could construct some sort of elaborate spanking machine. Given your perchance for discipline PGI could hire you to use it upon all the "children" in the community.

Likewise as was rightly pointed out discussing disciplinary action is also against the TOS which means PGI will have to deploy the spanking machine upon you as well. They are going to discipline you so hard you might begin to like it.

So since this is technically against the TOS as was recently clarified by PGI perhaps we let this thread die? After all, I would hate for you to be disciplined.

[Yokaiko]

Buddah?

Are you kidding me?

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Yokaiko, on 21 September 2015 - 05:41 PM, said:

One of these days I'm going to post up all of the silliness that I have been forum banned for its pretty funny.

me too but on Reddit where posting it wont get me banned for doing it XD

[riverslq]

MischiefSC, on 21 September 2015 - 05:33 PM, said:

It's not hard to understand. Do something bad, there are consequences. Expecting them to be waived because you were too weak to deal with playing a game that didn't give you what you wanted fast enough....

when you mess up there are consequences. That's not unreasonable. Especially when the mistake involved shafting other people.

you don't understand rng do you. it might Never give you what you NEED, not want.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Novakaine, on 21 September 2015 - 05:47 PM, said:

I would add more condescending golf claps and morgan freeman pointing. I think those help get your points across far better.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Blueduck, on 21 September 2015 - 05:45 PM, said:

Likewise it sounds like the devs are planning on doing this moving forward so if you are obsessed with trying to discipline people like little boy tattling on his siblings you are probably going to be disappointed.

except when they do it to some but not others. When they do that, yes it pisses me off. Maybe when it happens to you youll understand. But until they are coming for you you have nothing to fear right?

[SolCrusher]

So far nuking team members that have disconnected has dropped the number I've been seeing.

[crashlogic]

Vlad I am just suggesting that in this case, the map rotation caused a lot of otherwise decent players to do stupid ****. Given that PGI was in a position to control this from the get-go, they need to be a little more leinient for this weekend. I was alos suggesting that requesting people be suspended because you were unable to get the score you wanted is perhaps a little bit of the same selfish and toxic frustration which leads people to DC.
I mean seriously, I have been team killed three times this weekend because of people trying to max scores. So obviously some people like fewer players in the game. I know the way the Lights all rush after the DC's to get easy kill points scatters the team all to hell and leaves assaults and heavies vulnerable. Oh and then ther are the arctich cheetahs quirks and the spiders hitboxes......
We have all been victims of some bad **** this weekend. I blame the event and PGI. Sure individual players did terrible things, but I'm not sure suspending them accomplishes anything. PGI Still screwed up, royally. That is the more important issue the weekend in my opinion.