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[Ward Serpentine]

Sorry, I won't be supporting this effort. I was somewhat disappointed with the Shadowrun Returns series that HBS developed as a kickstarter. I purchased it off of Steam when it was available and thought that it kind of fell short, especially in the community (Workshop) content. Hoping that there would have been more improvements, I went ahead and purchased Dragonfall as well. Wasn't impressed. After being burned by MW:T, I cannot, in good conscience, support another product in this manner. MW:O has consumed enough of my resources...

[stjobe]

Repasy, on 26 September 2015 - 09:01 AM, said:

OH MAN! If they're getting the Shadowrun people to work on this then it's gonna be good hands down!

FYI: They are the "Shadowrun people". Harebrained Schemes will be making this new BattleTech game, and they've successfully made Shadowrun Returns, Shadowrun: Dragonfall, and Shadowrun: Hong Kong in the last three years.

Why? Because HBS is Jordan Weismann's company, and he (co-)created both Shadowrun and BattleTech.

They've also made them exactly like they plan to do the BattleTech game; use Kickstarter to make it a better game, essentially putting in more and more things as they get more backers.

They've said that possible stretch goals include multiplayer game modes.

Edited by stjobe, 26 September 2015 - 01:26 PM.

[Revener]

Scanz, on 26 September 2015 - 12:01 AM, said:

Turn based sucks need RTS

Turn based sucks need RTS

I think you got that backwards, RTS is boring as hell. Oh look I managed to build more units then you faster zeeeeerg!! yawn!

[Patu]

Revener, on 26 September 2015 - 01:26 PM, said:

I think you got that backwards, RTS is boring as hell. Oh look I managed to build more units then you faster zeeeeerg!! yawn!

To be fair, there are enough RTS games, where you can't even build units (or where building units is far less important), like Sudden Strike, the Total War series, etc.
Also DoW 2, Wargame, CoH, all have some base/unit building but numbers are not that important.

[Grendel408]

I have faith in this.. vs MWT this shall be money well spent.

[Star Colonel Silver Surat]

Not a fan of Kickstarter. Been burned too many times (seriously half the major big name products on there either fail or get delayed by years), and also dislike the fact they are now funneling 5% of their profits towards "diversity" organizations that often attack religious freedom.

[Alex Novian]

Exactly... the King Crab should stop just about were its legs are in height. Take a second look at the 3 tanks in FRONT of it on the ground. Same for the other Atlas pic. That thing is close to 2x what it should be.... But... then again I have a nice Hatchetman Poster that's out of whack.

At any rate I'm not worried bout the track record of HBS, I got to sit Front Row when Jordan and FASA told me that BT was going to Fanpro, the time line was jumping ahead, and to buy clickytech. It's more of personal trust issue

Still have the shirt from that Gencon too.

This may turn out to be a Fantastic game, one that I've been wanting for many a year, But I just don't see me supporting it kickstarter wise.

[BLOOD WOLF]

I remember when Star citizen was being held as the golden boy..........ohh wait!

The lesson is, dont be afraid to invest into games that you like; you never know what they can do.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 26 September 2015 - 03:01 PM.

[Shiro Kell]

I will happily donate cash to this project when I receive my $120 refund for 2x early access to Mechwarrior Tactics.....NUFF SAID!

[Threat Doc]

Szandor, on 26 September 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

Speed chess with 'Mechs, tanks, infantry, air cover, on- and off-board artillery, high explosives. Hell, maybe they'll do the space combat thing... That would be pretty awesome, especially for large-scale campaigns.

HBS is funding the initial simulator out of their own pockets, which will pit one team of 'Mechs against another, like they were getting to in MechWarrior: Tactics, without the ******* cards. The funding would go to expansion items such as more 'Mechs, maps, mission types, full PvE missions and, eventually, they will leave the single-player realm and go PvP. However, for the outset, expect a basic simulator, not a full-on robot destroying universe, and take baby steps with them. Mr. Gitelman said there were a lot of things from our phone call I could talk about, and he's trusting my discretion with the greater portion of it, so this was part of our call.

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The one thing I'm really hoping for is a solid tutorial; I never got to play the board game as much as I wanted to and if they're staying close to it, it could be pretty daunting for players new to these kind of in-depth wargames.

We didn't talk about a tutorial, but I'm sure one will be forthcoming. If not, the learning curve won't really be all that steep... it's a computer game, so push buttons until you figure it out, hehe.

ScorpionNinja, on 26 September 2015 - 10:41 AM, said:

As I think about this, PGI must have some secret rights % of money for this new game, as a deal to let them use their designs from MWO. Knowing that this new game will be the death of MWO, they have things set up to "pass the torch", onto this new game! (aka MWO will lose 95% of its players, as those jump to this new game completely!)

Folks, time to save your money to spend on the new game coming out, use up your banked premiume time, etc, before its wasted for Nothing!

I don't think this is right, not at all. These are going to be two completely separate games, and you're always going to need an FPS/RTS style game, and then the 3D iso BattleTech HBS is looking to produce will be completely separate. There are things you can do in each game that you can't do in the other. For example, you may one day see the beautiful maps built by PGI in BattleTech, but I'll guarantee you they won't be from the perspective you want, nor the level of detail; same thing with the 'Mechs. Oh, the 'Mechs I'm sure will be beautiful, but not like in MechWarrior Online; they're the same design, the same chassis, but you CAN'T have the same level of detail with smaller versions on a larger overhead map screen that you can have in person.

Don't shoot this old horse, yet, she's still got some miles in her.

kingade, on 26 September 2015 - 12:05 PM, said:

the last time i read here about a cool new game was mechwarrior tactics. i hope this battletech kickstarter thing dosent end the same way...

Keep in mind the proven track record of HBS, the fact they are their own publisher, and they don't have IGP here to screw everything up. MWT had four different companies, to the best of my knowledge, come in and try to rescue it, but the terms required by IGP and the limited experience of the company's, doomed that game almost from the beginning. Also, Jordan Weisman has always had a love for BattleTech, and I don't think anyone else could do with his vision what he can.

Star Colonel Silver Surat, on 26 September 2015 - 02:22 PM, said:

Not a fan of Kickstarter. Been burned too many times (seriously half the major big name products on there either fail or get delayed by years), and also dislike the fact they are now funneling 5% of their profits towards "diversity" organizations that often attack religious freedom.

Kickstarter's funneling 5% of their profits that way, or Harebrained Schemes is? If the latter, do you have a link to where I can find that information, or is it just conjecture?

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I'm not defending anyone, here, but I will tell all of you that I was horribly skeptical about BattleTech, also, until Mr. Gitelman decided I was important enough to spend some time on the phone with, much to my great pleasure and honor, and I was assured this game will be the things I've been wanting in a game for a long time, including mercenary unit management, contracting, eventually to have an open-ended mercenary campaign to play out on 2,021 worlds, in the beginning time period of the universe I grew up on. I don't think I could ask for more than that, so I'm on-board.

If you're skeptical, though, let me just say that I sympathize. From the time-period of MechWarrior III: Pirate's Moon, until now, but not including MechCommander or MegaMek or MekTek's version of MechWarrior IV: Mercenaries, we have all been told by various groups, whether under license or doing the game for free, that we were going to see the truest rendition of what BattleTech was supposed to be like, including from PGI. I threw my money into Founder's both here and at MechWarrior: Tactics and found myself duped time-after-time. Tactics is gone, a victim of its own disjointed mismanagement, and MechWarrior Online should be toward the end of recovering itself from the debacle that was it's alignment with IGP, and things are beginning to turn around (PSR and the new 'Mech balancing at the forefront of that), and we've been told about a lot of positive and good changes coming down the pipe for MWO. Look, this is coming from a guy who has been screaming and yelling at PGI for the past three years, trying to hold their feet to the fire, so you can trust that word... it is all documented.

I have been in this community, both supporter and condemner, for over thirty years, now; trust me in this, if you don't trust Kickstarter, HBS, or PGI.

[5th Fedcom Rat]

Kay Wolf, on 26 September 2015 - 04:43 PM, said:

Kickstarter's funneling 5% of their profits that way, or Harebrained Schemes is? If the latter, do you have a link to where I can find that information, or is it just conjecture?

Kickstarter, not Harebrained Schemes. Here is their new charter as a 'benefits corporation' dedicated to pushing social change: https://www.kickstarter.com/charter

[IraqiWalker]

ScorpionNinja, on 26 September 2015 - 10:41 AM, said:

As I think about this, PGI must have some secret rights % of money for this new game, as a deal to let them use their designs from MWO. Knowing that this new game will be the death of MWO, they have things set up to "pass the torch", onto this new game! (aka MWO will lose 95% of its players, as those jump to this new game completely!)

Folks, time to save your money to spend on the new game coming out, use up your banked premiume time, etc, before its wasted for Nothing!

Tinfoil hat much?

[dragnier1]

ScorpionNinja, on 26 September 2015 - 10:41 AM, said:

As I think about this, PGI must have some secret rights % of money for this new game, as a deal to let them use their designs from MWO. Knowing that this new game will be the death of MWO, they have things set up to "pass the torch", onto this new game! (aka MWO will lose 95% of its players, as those jump to this new game completely!)

Folks, time to save your money to spend on the new game coming out, use up your banked premiume time, etc, before its wasted for Nothing!

I doubt something like that will happen. If you read some of the previous posts some said they preferred FPS RTS

Edited by dragnier1, 26 September 2015 - 08:41 PM.

[stjobe]

Star Colonel Silver Surat, on 26 September 2015 - 02:22 PM, said:

and also dislike the fact they are now funneling 5% of their profits towards "diversity" organizations that often attack religious freedom.

Here's what Kickstarter says their 5% is going towards:

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Kickstarter will annually donate 5% of its after-tax profit towards arts and music education, and to organizations fighting to end systemic inequality as further defined in sections 4(c) and 5(c) below (the “5% pledge”).
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Half of Kickstarter’s 5% pledge will be devoted to arts and music programs for children and young adults, with a primary focus on underserved communities in New York City. Funds will be distributed to 501(c)(3) organizations, public schools, or via programs developed by Kickstarter.
[...]
Half of Kickstarter’s 5% pledge will be devoted to organizations addressing systemic inequality. Kickstarter will primarily focus such contributions on 501(c)(3) organizations fighting to end prejudices against and increase opportunities for people of color, women, and LGBTQ individuals.

"Freedom of religion" is all too often used as "freedom" to keep being prejudiced, to keep inequalities and social injustice, and to keep other people down.

If your religion is opposed to any of the goals above, it is not worth its freedom and you should be ashamed to be a follower of it.

[martian]

New picture! A MechWarrior departing with his Griffin!

Are those banners showing Black Eagle on Purple background?

We are very pleased!

[Scanz]

Alex Novian, on 26 September 2015 - 03:45 AM, said:

<Sigh> and once again SCALE is ignored.

where i can see true scale ?

[MaD hAtTeR nInJa]

Just trying to figure out what loadout that locust has that it can run what appears to be two AC's. Cause from everything I have tried it is not possible. Not even remotely. Love the picture, features my favorite mech, but very inaccurate.

[martian]

madhatternynja, on 27 September 2015 - 05:05 AM, said:

Just trying to figure out what loadout that locust has that it can run what appears to be two AC's. Cause from everything I have tried it is not possible. Not even remotely. Love the picture, features my favorite mech, but very inaccurate.

That's easy.

It's probably LCT-1E with arm-mounted medium lasers. Those Small lasers are so small that you can't see them.

[stjobe]

madhatternynja, on 27 September 2015 - 05:05 AM, said:

Just trying to figure out what loadout that locust has that it can run what appears to be two AC's. Cause from everything I have tried it is not possible. Not even remotely. Love the picture, features my favorite mech, but very inaccurate.

In BattleTech, most lasers have barrels. In fact, I think MWO might be the first game set in the universe that seems to think "smaller is better" when it comes to guns.

Which of course is one of the ridiculous things with this game (and studio...). There's zero need to neuter every laser into just a lens; shrink every AC and PPC barrel into nothingness. Ever heard of barrel shrouds? Cowlings to protect the barrel? Armouring so it can be used to batter an opponent over the head, or just take a shot without being destroyed?

[White Bear 84]

ScorpionNinja, on 26 September 2015 - 10:41 AM, said:

As I think about this, PGI must have some secret rights % of money for this new game, as a deal to let them use their designs from MWO. Knowing that this new game will be the death of MWO, they have things set up to "pass the torch", onto this new game! (aka MWO will lose 95% of its players, as those jump to this new game completely!)

Folks, time to save your money to spend on the new game coming out, use up your banked premiume time, etc, before its wasted for Nothing!

Lol I think you are a comedian..

..it is going to be completely different to MWO, so unless everyone who currently plays real time MWO, really want to be playing turn based MWO.. ..this game will in no way spell the end of MWO. That and potential use of PGI artwork/models in game, if anything, provides a benefit to MWO.

All this will do is growing the Battletech universe, which will trickle down into subsequent interest in MWO.

Synergy.

Edit: And in regards to Tactics, that was just sheer tripe, like a mutant hybrid of transformers, gundam and mwo.. ..with this kickstarter we have the guys that ARE Battletech. Pretty strong lead.

Edited by White Bear 84, 27 September 2015 - 07:04 AM.