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[Will9761]

I've gotten my hands on the Black Widow Warhammer, I am glad they added this in. I wish that the color scheme was darker, but at least I have some good reds and blacks for it.

Edited by Will9761, 04 October 2015 - 04:15 PM.

[Nightshade24]

Grey Ghost, on 03 October 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:

You know that concept art for the Black Widow doesn't match your listed specs for it right? The left and right torso should contain 2 Machine Gun & 1 Medium Pulse Laser each. Which would match it's max hardpoint limits as well. I would like to see concept art for it's actual weapon mounting. I'm much less inclined to buy it with flawed concept art. I don't think I'm out of line here, as using concept art is how you have chosen to sell these packs to us.

As for the main pack itself, I will have to do some serious theory crafting before deciding to get it or not.

It's only showing the camo patterns.

Have you noticed the concept art for the bounty hunter lacks the gauss rifle and CT laser?

[Gloris]

I'm really surprised that such a big part of the community seems to be supportive of this "Preorder everything" business model.

Imho this constant milking of the whales will not be good for the game in the long run. Eventually more and more whales run dry, and let me tell you, of all my friends i tried to get to play MWO, noone took the bait and all refused to play when they saw how many preorder bundles there were.

[Will9761]

I'd love to see a Warhammer IIC right now for a Phoenix Origins. Ah yes I can see it now.

Locust IIC
Shadow Hawk IIC
Rifleman IIC
Marauder IIC
Warhammer IIC
Phoenix Hawk IIC

[NocturnalBeast]

Will9761, on 04 October 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

I'd love to see a Warhammer IIC right now for a Phoenix Origins. Ah yes I can see it now.

Locust IIC
Shadow Hawk IIC
Rifleman IIC
Marauder IIC
Warhammer IIC
Phoenix Hawk IIC

Careful what you wish for, the IIC mechs are going to be the most unbalanced mechs in the game, unless PGI goes to strict tabletop rules. IIC mechs will be as versatile as IS mechs and as powerful as Clan mechs in MWO, so they would make omni mechs useless, although Omni mechs are supposed to be the Clan frontline mechs and the IIC mechs were just garrison mechs, or mechs for old / washed up warriors who never earned their bloodname.

*** PGI...Your forums are incredibly slow and buggy ***

Edited by Ed Steele, 04 October 2015 - 09:05 PM.

[eLeMe]

Varvar86, on 01 October 2015 - 11:25 AM, said:

TAKE IT ALL!!!!!

My fastest MWO purchase ever!

[Pihoqahiak]

Ed Steele, on 04 October 2015 - 09:04 PM, said:

Careful what you wish for, the IIC mechs are going to be the most unbalanced mechs in the game, unless PGI goes to strict tabletop rules. IIC mechs will be as versatile as IS mechs and as powerful as Clan mechs in MWO, so they would make omni mechs useless, although Omni mechs are supposed to be the Clan frontline mechs and the IIC mechs were just garrison mechs, or mechs for old / washed up warriors who never earned their bloodname.

Just to put that into context a bit for people that may not be familiar with Battletech rules of Omnimechs vs. Battlemechs. There are a couple of important reasons for Omnimechs being frontline mechs in Battletech. One is that it takes time, and a LOT of it, to reconfigure battlemechs (and there are no hardpoint limitations for Battlemechs or Omnipods) in the Battletech rules system. Even then there are chances for detrimental failures when trying to do so. Omnimechs have a reduced time needed for reconfiguring/repairing them and Omnipods can be reconfigured without chance of detrimental failure in the Battletech rules. This makes Omnimechs vastly more adaptable and redeployable, both extremely useful advantages for frontline units. Garrison troops are not usually meant to be engaged in extended combat and are deployed to known locations. This means that mechs are able to be chosen comfortably ahead of time with favorable capabilities for the area they are to be defending. Also, they are generally only needed to hold off an enemy attack long enough for reinforcements to jump into the star system (planetary campaigns often take weeks/months to succeed). Minor repairs can take up to a couple days (unless you have techs available to work 24 hours a day), while heavily damaged mechs can take a week or two for full repairs. The above reasons do not apply to MW:O of course, so I agree with you that it's going to be tough to balance the IIC mechs with omnimechs. They'll have to accomplish that through the quirk system since that's the only balancing mechanism they really have allowed for the game. I think it can be done, but they don't have a good track record of success with that so far.

Edited by Pihoqahiak, 04 October 2015 - 10:55 PM.

[Atlasian]

Void2258, on 01 October 2015 - 12:44 PM, said:

The Stinger, Wasp, and Phoenix Hawk will be the hardest to update. Their look is so different from most mechs and so tied to the Veritech/LAM formfactor that making them recognizable without making them too close to be legal will be difficult.

Not only that. It is also hard to picture their size. Look at MWO lights, they are so small. Picturing Stinger and Wasp that tiny, running like a Spider and Firestarter, isn't really what I imagine them on the battlefield.

[Atlasian]

I want to play MWO again! Thanks Warhammer and Marauder!

[R1CK D0M]

you know I instantly spent money on a glaug battlepod....but I haven't quite decided if I want a tomahawk destroid right now. I mean, it's just not as cool as a Monster. Luckily I have like 20 more days to consider it for the early adopter rewards

[Nephoros Sradac]

Will9761, on 04 October 2015 - 05:03 PM, said:

I'd love to see a Warhammer IIC right now for a Phoenix Origins. Ah yes I can see it now.

Locust IIC
Shadow Hawk IIC
Rifleman IIC
Marauder IIC
Warhammer IIC
Phoenix Hawk IIC

I also agree that if an Inner Sphere mech had a IIC or a C variant PGI should look at ways to introduce them into the game for the clan players. I would like to buy more Clan mechs, just tired of seeing IS package deals and won't spend money on them, is it really to much to ask for to have options for what you want to spend money on?

[Nightshade24]

Ed Steele, on 04 October 2015 - 09:04 PM, said:

Careful what you wish for, the IIC mechs are going to be the most unbalanced mechs in the game, unless PGI goes to strict tabletop rules. IIC mechs will be as versatile as IS mechs and as powerful as Clan mechs in MWO, so they would make omni mechs useless, although Omni mechs are supposed to be the Clan frontline mechs and the IIC mechs were just garrison mechs, or mechs for old / washed up warriors who never earned their bloodname.

*** PGI...Your forums are incredibly slow and buggy ***

I theorised and hope PGI will use clan battlemechs as a staple to ballance clans in general, get the power they want from clan tech before they go mess with omnimechs further. for instance a timberwolf isn't as powerful as a summoner. A gargoyle isn't as good as a direwolf. Adder? Kitfox? meet rest of IS lights. Nova to stormcrow? Omnitech created huge leaps and stuff from powerful and not so much. So if clan tech itself is ballanced with itself and then you inch your way to ballancing it compared to IS. Then omnimechs can be ballanced more accordingly.

This may involve making SRM's and streaks fire in a stream, lasers burn longer, lasers have shorter max range (as an effective range is the same but max is lowered quite a bit,), pulse lasers fire more often, faster fire rate, colder, but less damage, this is lore friendly as it's a different mode of pulse lasers and cna break meta builds for clans in MW: O by ruining med las + large pulse combo.

After these changes, the omnimech clans get quirks to fix themselves. ie Kitfox, adder, summoner, gargoyle, executioner C, have no min range drop for LRM's.
Adder, summoner, warhawk, have increased ER PPC damage and reduced splash.

Stuff like that. I do not think streaming SRM's will be problematic on a timberwolf. But not having it stream on say the summoner will greately help it.


back to IIC's. most of them will get the post nerf weapon but have better quirks due to omnipods, no I am not talking about 50% er ppc fire rate, i am just syaing quirks are better optimised in the way they can't easily be abused (ie stack this, that, and this omnipod to bystep the penalty and get better range or what ever), So it is less OP, and more happy.

On top of that.... locust IIC is needed, clans lack a lot of light roles and locust IIC can do well for the 25 ton catagory. However piranha and howler is also on my watch list for 20 tonners. Marauder IIC and Warhammer IIC are not only iconic but good IIC assault mechs, there is not many clan assaults left out there and the majority of ones in game are not that good, and hell the highlander iIC doesn't peak my interest as good, low engine cap, low jumpjet cap, neglecting 7 ballistic (6B one arm) highlander and not having that as one of them, iOn top of that normal highlander isn't that good... it would be bellow average at best.

Heavies is also a slot running low so Rifleman IIC or Grizzly needs to fill that spot...

I also wounder if upcoming MW: O BV scheme will help the balance.

[dangerzone]

TAKE MY ******* MONEY ALREADY! UPDATE YOUR DAMN WEBSITE TO ALLOW ME TO THROW MY MONEY AT THE SCREEN AND HAVE WARHAMMERS POP OUT! JUST DO IT!

Ahem. I have been around on MWO since March of 2012 in closed beta. This is the day I have dreamed of ever since the original MW5 trailer you guys did that featured a Whammy vs. Atlas. I know I'm not the only one who while enjoys the game, always felt a void and that void was the Warhammer. What you guys have done is something that has made BT/MW fans ranging from teenagers to fathers very, very happy.

Once I get home from work or when I'm on my lunch, I'll be whipping out the wallet since I get paid tomorrow anyway.

PGI, from a dedicated MWO fan, thank you.



~Dangerzone

[Nightshade24]

Everything I posted for the past month is wall-o-texts.... someone help me.

[PFC Carsten]

Ed Steele, on 04 October 2015 - 11:58 AM, said:

You do realize that the US Constitution does not extend to Canada where this forum is hosted? Also, free speech is not guaranteed on a privately owned / operated forum (you agreed to abide by the TOS when you created your account).

I do. And for that matter, free speech is a basic human right, thankfully employed basically by every modern western democracy - not only the US - and a couple of other governments as well. In fact, the canadian charter of rights and freedoms does indeed include the fundamental right "freedom of expression". And FWIW, i was not referring the the US constitution which does not apply to me (personally as well as geographically) anyway.

But of course, you have a completely valid point with it not extending to privately owned forums on the internets.

That said, I think it's fine that we talked about this matter and were able to clear some basic misunderstandings, because in the end we all agree that we like BT and MW:O and would like to enjoy it in future as well.

Gloris, on 04 October 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

I'm really surprised that such a big part of the community seems to be supportive of this "Preorder everything" business model.

Imho this constant milking of the whales will not be good for the game in the long run. Eventually more and more whales run dry, and let me tell you, of all my friends i tried to get to play MWO, noone took the bait and all refused to play when they saw how many preorder bundles there were.

Being a legendary founder - doesn't that denote you as whale-that-has-been-milked-in-the-past as well? Don't take it personally, I totally concurr with your basic train of thoughts, being a milked founder myself.

FWIW - did you notice that the time between preorder and delivery did increase by a full month between Marauder and Warhammer? Sept. 14th vs. Oct 1st get delivered Dec 1st vs. Jan 16th. I really hope this is not a bad sign.

Edited by PFC Carsten, 05 October 2015 - 06:02 AM.

[Sparkymarkyp]

Looks like a baby Awesome
But hopefully not pants

[Sparkymarkyp]

Was going to order the BH Marauder end if the month but may just order the standard whammer instead.
Also, pgu will you do a count down al a Resistance mech for Marauder and Whammy???

So what's next guys....the archer?
I'd call mine Jonathan ☺

Edited by Sparkymarkyp, 05 October 2015 - 06:08 AM.

[Mark of Caine]

PFC Carsten, on 05 October 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

I do. And for that matter, free speech is a basic human right, thankfully employed basically by every modern western democracy - not only the US - and a couple of other governments as well. In fact, the canadian charter of rights and freedoms does indeed include the fundamental right "freedom of expression". And FWIW, i was not referring the the US constitution which does not apply to me (personally as well as geographically) anyway.

But of course, you have a completely valid point with it not extending to privately owned forums on the internets.

That said, I think it's fine that we talked about this matter and were able to clear some basic misunderstandings, because in the end we all agree that we like BT and MW:O and would like to enjoy it in future as well.


Being a legendary founder - doesn't that denote you as whale-that-has-been-milked-in-the-past as well? Don't take it personally, I totally concurr with your basic train of thoughts, being a milked founder myself.

FWIW - did you notice that the time between preorder and delivery did increase by a full month between Marauder and Warhammer? Sept. 14th vs. Oct 1st get delivered Dec 1st vs. Jan 16th. I really hope this is not a bad sign.

Remember that the Marauder comes out before Christmas/New Years holidays, and the Warhammer is after said holidays. Hence the one month or so delay.

[Ian G]

Somehow i was angry about later delivery of the warhammer. And it was another reason not to buy it. But now it makes sense and i want to have everyone at piranha have a nice holiday vacation. If i spand less than 100 € at the SPIEL in Essen, i might consider buying one.

[Alaric Hasek]

Not really. 90% of the people who play this game never post and never will. So it's mostly the angry people who post a lot - and they tend to be very negative. Chances are these negative people have too much time on their hands and will tell us how great they were at MW4 and if PGI would just listen to their brilliant ideas the game would be saved!
I've seen it over and over and over again on various game boards, from tabletop RPGs to video game boards. It will always be so.

Navid A1, on 04 October 2015 - 01:08 PM, said:

so please, when you see toxic negativity, just ignore it. it is not directed to you, so it is perfectly fine if you choose not to answer. Because when people think it is their duty to react to the negativity... it is going to spread from a single post to 4 pages.
However, when you see hundreds of threads full of negativity... you know something is wrong.