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[Felicitatem Parco]

I think that allowing us to view our own PSR tiers was a mistake. It hasn't generated any usefulness, but it HAS generated pointless strife. People bickering about how they are in the wrong Tier, taking "Pride" in their Tier, blaming their Tier for every loss (not for the wins, mind you, just the losses), and all that Mumbo-Jumbo.

Really, making our tiers known hasn't generated any positive results as far as I have seen. I don't give a crap about my Tier, but it seems that others view these tiers as some statistical God,. If the tiers weren't known, then people would not be blaming their Tier for their combat results, but just be blaming the teams at play. This would make more sense because Tiers don't bring weapons into combat; teams do.

You can't blame everything on a Tier, and knowing your Tier has ZERO impact on your ability to change your performance capabilities. Suddenly becoming conscious of your Tier has not made anyone better or worse at the game.

Maybe we should take it away so we can focus on the things that matter, like blowing up stompy Mechs.

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So, Many people have stated that the Tier1 is a "goal" for them.

If a new player joins MWO and wins their first 50 consecutive matches, then they will not be in Tier 1. Not even Tier 2.

Tier 1 means you have been playing for long time. Nothing else, really. If the law of averages nets you a 50/50 win loss ratio, and you play for a long time, then you are Tier 1. Is that your goal? To get a 50/50 win/loss ratio?

How is that a lofty goal that requires a Tier rating? That's not very impressive.

Getting a 50/50 wn/loss ratio does not require knowledge of our tiers.

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There seems to be confusion about this system.

PSR is based on accumulater PSR Points. You get more points for winning well, fewer points for winning poorly, amd lose points for losing badly. You can get 0 or even some positive points for losing very well.

PGI said there are already players who have reached the PSR point-cap. They cannot get more points.

PSR is based on accumulated points, and playing at 50/50/W/L causes a net gain over time.

See Clarifcation#2
http://mwomercs.com/...-tiers-and-psr/

Edited by Prosperity Park, 01 October 2015 - 12:01 PM.

[Appogee]

Knowing my tier has given me an actual goal in MWO for first time in three years.

Edited by Appogee, 01 October 2015 - 09:26 AM.

[Shae Starfyre]

In before the valid opinions.

[Revis Volek]

Appogee, on 01 October 2015 - 09:21 AM, said:

Knowing my tier has given me an actual goal in MWO for first time in three years.

Quoted for truth...

There is nothing wrong with it...you can even still hide it from us if you are too scuured to show it. We wont laugh though i promise because all its for is sorting you in the MM. Has nothing to do with much of anything else.

Edited by DarthRevis, 01 October 2015 - 09:24 AM.

[Deathlike]

Many people overfocus irrelevant things like Tiers just to make an excuse.

That doesn't mean it isn't useful.

[Ultimax]

Sorry, I disagree.

It's useful for me, it gives a me a goal outside of just levelling mechs and increasing my cbill pile.



And whether or not the system is good, it's the value that is deciding match making - at it gives us at least a bit more insight into how we are being put into matches.


I never liked having an invisible Elo score.

[0bsidion]

I still think some of you people are overreacting. There's been a handful of forumites flipping out about it from what I've seen. It's hardly been the Apocalypse or whatever. And whatever nonsense is going on will likely die down after a while.

[Mcgral18]

I'd prefer if it were uncapped, or relative.

Nothing has changed in my case, starting at the ceiling.

[Queen of England]

I'd like even more information. The game needs something to strive for other than pokemech. I think it would be nice to had a leaderboard with seasons as well to give maxed tier 1 players something to do.

[mogs01gt]

IMO gave devs should supply every stat possible to players. I dont give a **** about what others say or what they are ranked, I care about my own performance. I need stats to validate my growth or decline.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

I like it. Now I chase that little green arrow at the end of match instead of some arbitrary damage/kill threshold.

[Widowmaker1981]

Well, it lead to people speculating a lot, which led to paul explaining how it works, and at least now we know its garbage.

[Anunknownlurker]

I fully agree mogs01gt - I don't care, and I mean I REALLY DON'T CARE about anyone else's statistics, I have no interest in them and no desire to see them; however, I do want full visibility of my own, not the formula but the result, as that enables me to track my own, limited, development and maybe, just maybe, identify a weakness I can fix.

[Mystere]

0bsidion, on 01 October 2015 - 09:28 AM, said:

I still think some of you people are overreacting. There's been a handful of forumites flipping out about it from what I've seen. It's hardly been the Apocalypse or whatever. And whatever nonsense is going on will likely die down after a while.

I've seen more than enough arrogant "Why should I listen to you, you have a lower tier?" themed posts to conclude that it's way past the "overreaction" point.

[Mechteric]

At least you know who the real tools are.

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It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

[Deathlike]

CapperDeluxe, on 01 October 2015 - 09:39 AM, said:

At least you know who the real tools are.

Well, it's a little too late for me.

[Adiuvo]

It definitely demonstrated how the current matchmaker doesn't work well if it's matching based on tiers.

People aren't placed appropriately. A large number of games played with any w/l above 1.2 will put you in tier 1. Meanwhile you have situations like Trev or Siri, where they haven't played that much (still 70+ games which is usually enough for other matchmakers) and have incredibly high w/ls compared to the rest of the population, yet they're tier 3. It's dumb.

[DAYLEET]

Mystere, on 01 October 2015 - 09:36 AM, said:

I've seen more than enough arrogant "Why should I listen to you, you have a lower tier?" themed posts to conclude that it's way past the "overreaction" point.

Might be a coincidence but forums are much cleaner now than before psr was implemented(not publicly show but implemented). People still disagree but arent calling each others bad which is a good thing. Ive not seen anyone say your tier is bad therefore you are wrong either.

[Wintersdark]

Mystere, on 01 October 2015 - 09:36 AM, said:

I've seen more than enough arrogant "Why should I listen to you, you have a lower tier?" themed posts to conclude that it's way past the "overreaction" point.

I haven't seen any more of that than we already had of "You think LRM's/LBX's/whatever is/are OP, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about".

Maybe I'm just not hanging in the right threads, though.

[Deathlike]

Adiuvo, on 01 October 2015 - 09:41 AM, said:

It definitely demonstrated how the current matchmaker doesn't work well if it's matching based on tiers.

People aren't placed appropriately. A large number of games played with any w/l above 1.2 will put you in tier 1. Meanwhile you have situations like Trev or Siri, where they haven't played that much (still 70+ games which is usually enough for other matchmakers) and have incredibly high w/ls compared to the rest of the population, yet they're tier 3. It's dumb.

To be fair, it doesn't track throughout your lifetime... just a small subsection (you're penalized for having not played beyond this year).

Either way, the system was probably flawed way before Paul said anything in depth.