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[FupDup]

Contrary to popular belief, an Atlas actually hits pretty hard within short range. If a relatively healthy ones pops around a corner and you don't have a few blue team mechs with you, you're gonna have a bad time.

The issue is just getting close in the first place. There are 12 mechs on the red team to shoot at it from a long distance, and it can't really defend itself at long ranges very well. That, and the fact that it's a big + slow target, causes people to naturally focus fire on it.

[Felicitatem Parco]

I have an Appreciation Atlas with 4 missile hardpoints, so Quad SRM6 wth AC/20 and some ML makes for a formidable brawler... If you can get close enough and be intact by the time you get there.

But, I'd still rather drive a Mauler or Stalker...

[SgtMagor]

point of the Atlas is to send them back to the factory, refit them, and give us this.

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Assaults in this game only exist to be fodder for fast mechs.

If you can't 1v1 and kill an assault in virtually any light, you're just not good.

[Wintersdark]

GrimRiver, on 10 October 2015 - 04:37 PM, said:

I want the Atlas's old glory back, make people fear it again.

The Atlas hasn't been a good Assault since the Stalker was released.

The only one of any value was the D-DC, and that was solely due to ECM. It's simply inferior to basically every other assault otherwise (except maybe the poor, (un)Awesome.)

[Thorqemada]

FupDup, on 10 October 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

The issue is just getting close in the first place. There are 12 mechs on the red team to shoot at it from a long distance, and it can't really defend itself at long ranges very well.

That is why my Atlasses joined the Laser/Gauss-Meta (Guass + 2xERLL (you also can do Gauss + 3xLL)) as the only Mechs of me (well, ok my KC has 2xGauss + 2xERLL but that is bcs it is meant as my Long Range Direct Fire Assault Mech).
You get slaughtered from range and cant defend yourself with an AC20 and some MLs and Lurms wont get a lock until you are shot to pieces amd if you would manage to get a lock you would not do any significant damage anyway and SRMs - try to get in range to something with a 55 to 60 kph Mech...

[Wintersdark]

The Atlas Overlord, on 10 October 2015 - 06:00 PM, said:

Assaults in this game only exist to be fodder for fast mechs.

If you can't 1v1 and kill an assault in virtually any light, you're just not good.

lol.

I'll take on anyone, short of the very, very best Light pilots in the game, 1v1 in my Direwolf. No problem at all.

In a purely 1v1 environment, it's a pretty fair fight as they've got the whole battlefield to run amok.

In a normal match, however? It's grossly one-sided. Even in a 170kph locust, it's impossible to stay out of my front arc all the time, and I don't miss at close range with the dual gauss/erml/uac20... and in a normal match, the light cannot run about with impunity either. He needs to hit me countless times (as I spread damage about), I can one-shot him. Basically no matter where I hit him, he takes crippling damage.

I fear lights less than every other class in my Assaults. In any of them.

[Khobai]

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Contrary to popular belief, an Atlas actually hits pretty hard within short range.

except the meta is fast mechs with long-range bro.

being slow with short range weapons is the completely opposite of whats good in the current meta.

[FupDup]

Khobai, on 10 October 2015 - 06:09 PM, said:

except the meta is fast mechs with long-range bro.

being slow with short range weapons is the completely opposite of whats good in the current meta.

I already covered that in my post.

FupDup, on 10 October 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

The issue is just getting close in the first place. There are 12 mechs on the red team to shoot at it from a long distance, and it can't really defend itself at long ranges very well. That, and the fact that it's a big + slow target, causes people to naturally focus fire on it.

[Khobai]

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I already covered that in my post.

I know i just wanted to call you bro

and stress the point that brawling needs to make a comeback in the game for the atlas to not suck a fat one.


The way I see it the problems are as follows:

1) weapon balance is completely skewed in favor of long-range builds. assaults (other than the stalker) tend not to be good at long-range poking because theyre huge targets that have poor acceleration/deceleration. most assaults dont have high-mounted weapons either. Clan lasers/gauss need a HUGE nerf. Also brawling weapons like SRMs need to be made more appealing.

2) heavies move WAY too fast compared to assaults. heavies going 90kph is completely ridiculous. They need to take speed tweak away from heavy mechs at the very least.

3) assaults dont really get a firepower advantage over heavies because both assaults and heavies have the same heat brick wall. And 1.4 DHS suck so much that assaults cant really gain an advantage by stacking heatsinks. most heavies can easily have the same firepower as an atlas because of the heat brick wall. Only assaults like the direwolf and stalker can really do well in the firepower department because of multiple low-heat ballistics and massively overpowered quirks respectively.

Edited by Khobai, 10 October 2015 - 06:27 PM.

[John1352]

The Atlas makes a REALLY good damage soaker. Try to get both arms shot off before you lose anything else, heaps of torso twisting. The damage your teammates can do while you're distracting half the enemy team is where the Atlas shines. (not glamorous or high paying though)

You should be able to take out a Dakkawolf 1v1 at close range, as it can't torso twist between shots. You won't be much use after the fight though.

Edit RE the posts above:
If your team is going to play hide and peep, the atlas is not going to be useful.

Edited by John1352, 10 October 2015 - 06:18 PM.

[Davers]

SgtMagor, on 10 October 2015 - 05:56 PM, said:

point of the Atlas is to send them back to the factory, refit them, and give us this.

Looks like the Green Goblin suit from Spider Man, only brown.

[Thorqemada]

And twisting still only works when you can fully hide your legs bcs the lower Torso does not twist and counts as CT too.

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Wintersdark, on 10 October 2015 - 06:07 PM, said:

I'll take on anyone, short of the very, very best Light pilots in the game.

Everything after this is moot.

The class of mech is flat out designed to kill any assault in the game.

It's not even close in comparison.

The fact that assault mechs literally MUST have their team protect them is testimony to how badly this game has turned out.

Best light vs best assault.... assault only wins if the lights get stuck on terrain or some other game glitch.

Edited by The Atlas Overlord, 10 October 2015 - 06:23 PM.

[GrimRiver]

Everything this says should've been what the atlas was, but instead we got what we have now. http://www.sarna.net...28BattleMech%29

[Water Bear]

GrimRiver, on 10 October 2015 - 04:37 PM, said:

I mean really? Every atlas I've seen over the past month or two has did under 200dmg because all it's hardpoints are at it's center, not enough hardpoints vs dire-wolfs, crappy quirks, very slow and a massive very easy to hit target.

Wat?

I was getting 700's just today in a -D-DC.

Davers, on 10 October 2015 - 06:17 PM, said:

Looks like the Green Goblin suit from Spider Man, only brown.

It's an Akuma. Uses MRMs IIRC, not in the game yet. On TT, it looked more menacing than it actually was IMO.

[Wintersdark]

John1352, on 10 October 2015 - 06:13 PM, said:

The Atlas makes a REALLY good damage soaker. Try to get both arms shot off before you lose anything else, heaps of torso twisting. The damage your teammates can do while you're distracting half the enemy team is where the Atlas shines. (not glamorous or high paying though)

It does, but you'll find as players progress in skill, most hold their fire between twists and don't shoot arms at all anymore.

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You should be able to take out a Dakkawolf 1v1 at close range, as it can't torso twist between shots. You won't be much use after the fight though.

If you have gigantic heuvos, at least, and fire through the shake - doable, as the shake is purely visual, but many players panic under that much fire.

Sadly, the dakkawolf is a fun build but one of the worst Direwolf builds. It's just a bad build. Though, that's "bad" in the scale of Direwolf builds; it's still quite dangerous of course. Against a proper Direwolf (dual gauss + lasers + whatever else) the AS7 gets cored in two alphas as it lines up it's own guns to fire.

I really, really wish the Atlas had something better going for it. Like, BLR-2C style defensive quirks, or something. MASSIVE armor quirks.

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Edit RE the posts above:
If your team is going to play hide and peep, the atlas is not going to be useful.

Yup. If the team plays hide and peep, the Atlas stays in cover until things change. A peeking atlas is a dead atlas.

[InRev]

GrimRiver, on 10 October 2015 - 05:12 PM, said:

I tried that a while back and I've found lights kill me way too often from 1 shot of 6 small pulses lasers to the rear so I bumped it up to 5 point and still the same thing then I went to 14 or 20 and found thats my sweetspot. lol

Forget lights, my own damn teammates tear my back armor up all the time. I run back armor just because pugs have the trigger discipline of a squirrel on amphetamines.

[Davers]

Water Bear, on 10 October 2015 - 06:23 PM, said:

It's an Akuma. Uses MRMs IIRC, not in the game yet. On TT, it looked more menacing than it actually was IMO.

Isn't Akuma that really broke character from Street Fighter?

[Tsar Bomba]

Just got out of a match, and want to add this...

Not only does the Atlas suffer from what everyone above has posted, but their weapons (other than missiles) are low on the model making you have to expose your entire body or else you're just shooting the cover in front of you.